If nk fires at guam

[TemplarKormac]

NK attacking might help Trump politically. Should there be an investigation to determine if Trump and NK are colluding?

it's called wagging the dog...at least that's what Republicans called it under Bill Clinton...

Well, Care, it wasn't a dog he was wagging, now was it?

Or was it?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

If they intended to hit any American soil (or any other nation for that matter) then of course. As stated earlier - it would also be an act of suicide.

The THAAD systems in Southern Japan would intercept the missile in it's ascent phase, meaning it wouldn't even make it anywhere close to Guam even if they launched it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Yes. Idiot.

Now stop having those dreams. You'll soil the sheets.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

My dad taught me that even if a guy swings at you and misses, you have the right to swing back. If you point a gun at someone, you had better be ready to use it, or they will kick your ass.

What else did he teach you?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

My dad taught me that even if a guy swings at you and misses, you have the right to swing back. If you point a gun at someone, you had better be ready to use it, or they will kick your ass.

What else did he teach you?

Not to associate myself with toxic personalities... such as yourself.

Safety reasons and all.

See ya.

 

[Geaux4it]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Yes it is....

I expect us to attempt a kinetic engagement using SM-3's and SM-6's from our AEGIS destroyers and missile cruisers

-Geaux

 

[Avatar4321]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Yes, Guam will be at war with North Korea...

Guam is part of the US

 

[LoneLaugher]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

My dad taught me that even if a guy swings at you and misses, you have the right to swing back. If you point a gun at someone, you had better be ready to use it, or they will kick your ass.

What else did he teach you?

Not to associate myself with toxic personalities... such as yourself.

Safety reasons and all.

See ya.

Nothing about jobs and work ethic, huh? Rough.

 

[Care4all]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Did they INTEND to miss? Was it a warning shot? Did we know they were going to miss before they missed?

Was it simply a warning shot?

 

[Freewill]

NK attacking might help Trump politically. Should there be an investigation to determine if Trump and NK are colluding?

it's called wagging the dog...at least that's what Republicans called it under Bill Clinton...

Who attacked the US during Clinton?

 

[Freewill]

I can't even imagine the end game for NK. It is like the movie "The Mouse that Roared." Does their leader think that any publicity, good or bad, is good publicity?

Fire and Fury, at least we have a leader who can out crazy the NK leader. Maybe that will give them pause to reflect on their actions.

One problem with bombing them into the stone age, how would we know the difference?

Another problem, do we bomb killing Chinese nationals in the process? That could get sticky. What I would suggest is that we tell China to leave or else we will shut down all the Harbor Freight stores. That would really hurt them right in the pocket.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Guam has no decent golf courses or Trump properties. It is expendable.

No life is expendable. You're an idiot. So desperate to troll Trump you'll throw anyone under the bus to do it. Sad

 

[Avatar4321]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Yes. Idiot.

Now stop having those dreams. You'll soil the sheets.

Dreams? No sadly this is reality. NK has threatened to fire on Guam

It's time this nation stopped sleeping and awoke to the danger we are in

 

[LoneLaugher]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Yes. Idiot.

Now stop having those dreams. You'll soil the sheets.

Dreams? No sadly this is reality. NK has threatened to fire on Guam

It's time this nation stopped sleeping and awoke to the danger we are in

Please shut up. You want war. Doesn't matter who its with. You dig it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Yes. Idiot.

Now stop having those dreams. You'll soil the sheets.

Dreams? No sadly this is reality. NK has threatened to fire on Guam

It's time this nation stopped sleeping and awoke to the danger we are in

Please shut up. You want war. Doesn't matter who its with. You dig it.

Do you ever stop lying to yourself?

No one wants war. I have less reason to want war than most. I'm not naive enough to pretend nk firing missiles at our nation isn't an act of war simply because i don't want war.

When a madman promises to do something I'm going to pay attention. People used yo say Hitler doesn't mean it. He isn't actually going to kill the Jews.

You'd think we would have learned from that

 

[LoneLaugher]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

Yes. Idiot.

Now stop having those dreams. You'll soil the sheets.

Dreams? No sadly this is reality. NK has threatened to fire on Guam

It's time this nation stopped sleeping and awoke to the danger we are in

Please shut up. You want war. Doesn't matter who its with. You dig it.

Do you ever stop lying to yourself?

No one wants war. I have less reason to want war than most. I'm not naive enough to pretend nk firing missiles at our nation isn't an act of war simply because i don't want war.

When a madman promises to do something I'm going to pay attention. People used yo say Hitler doesn't mean it. Hr isn't actually going to kill the Jews.

You'd think we would have learned from that

Wow. You are something.

 

[Care4all]

NK attacking might help Trump politically. Should there be an investigation to determine if Trump and NK are colluding?

it's called wagging the dog...at least that's what Republicans called it under Bill Clinton...

Who attacked the US during Clinton?

who attacked us in this scenario of Avatars thread?

It simply could be a ''planned'' near miss, like shooting at the ground in front of a person's feet.... as a kind of warning shot?

 

[Freewill]

NK attacking might help Trump politically. Should there be an investigation to determine if Trump and NK are colluding?

it's called wagging the dog...at least that's what Republicans called it under Bill Clinton...

Who attacked the US during Clinton?

who attacked us in this scenario of Avatars thread?

It simply could be a ''planned'' near miss, like shooting at the ground in front of a person's feet.... as a kind of warning shot?

Guam is US soil, isn't it?

 

[Care4all]

NK attacking might help Trump politically. Should there be an investigation to determine if Trump and NK are colluding?

it's called wagging the dog...at least that's what Republicans called it under Bill Clinton...

Who attacked the US during Clinton?

who attacked us in this scenario of Avatars thread?

It simply could be a ''planned'' near miss, like shooting at the ground in front of a person's feet.... as a kind of warning shot?

Guam is US soil, isn't it?

the ocean, 25 miles out, is not....

i believe in JUST WAR THEORY


Just War Theory has two sets of criteria, the first establishing jus ad bellum (the right to go to war), and the second establishing jus in bello (right conduct within war).[32]

Jus ad bellum
Main article: Jus ad bellum
Just cause
The reason for going to war needs to be just and cannot therefore be solely for recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong; innocent life must be in imminent danger and intervention must be to protect life. A contemporary view of just cause was expressed in 1993 when the US Catholic Conference said: "Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations."
Comparative justice
While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to overcome the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other. Some theorists such as Brian Orend omit this term, seeing it as fertile ground for exploitation by bellicose regimes.
Competent authority
Only duly constituted public authorities may wage war. "A just war must be initiated by a political authority within a political system that allows distinctions of justice. Dictatorships (e.g. Hitler's Regime) or deceptive military actions (e.g. the 1968 US bombing of Cambodia) are typically considered as violations of this criterion. The importance of this condition is key. Plainly, we cannot have a genuine process of judging a just war within a system that represses the process of genuine justice. A just war must be initiated by a political authority within a political system that allows distinctions of justice".[33]
Right intention
Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose—correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain or maintaining economies is not.
Probability of success
Arms may not be used in a futile cause or in a case where disproportionate measures are required to achieve success;
Last resort
Force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted or are clearly not practical. It may be clear that the other side is using negotiations as a delaying tactic and will not make meaningful concessions.
Proportionality
The anticipated benefits of waging a war must be proportionate to its expected evils or harms. This principle is also known as the principle of macro-proportionality, so as to distinguish it from the jus in bello principle of proportionality.
In modern terms, just war is waged in terms of self-defense, or in defense of another (with sufficient evidence).

Jus in bello
Once war has begun, just war theory (Jus in bello) also directs how combatants are to act or should act:

Distinction
Just war conduct should be governed by the principle of distinction. The acts of war should be directed towards enemy combatants, and not towards non-combatants caught in circumstances they did not create. The prohibited acts include bombing civilian residential areas that include no legitimate military targets, committing acts of terrorism and reprisal against civilians, and attacking neutral targets (e.g., the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor). Moreover, combatants are not permitted to attack enemy combatants who have surrendered or who have been captured or who are injured and not presenting an immediate lethal threat or who are parachuting from disabled aircraft (except airborne forces) or who are shipwrecked.
Proportionality
Just war conduct should be governed by the principle of proportionality. Combatants must make sure that the harm caused to civilians or civilian property is not excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated by an attack on a legitimate military objective. This principle is meant to discern the correct balance between the restriction imposed by a corrective measure and the severity of the nature of the prohibited act.
Military necessity
Just war conduct should be governed by the principle of military necessity. An attack or action must be intended to help in the defeat of the enemy; it must be an attack on a legitimate military objective, and the harm caused to civilians or civilian property must be proportional and not excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. This principle is meant to limit excessive and unnecessary death and destruction.
Fair treatment of prisoners of war
Enemy combatants who surrendered or who are captured no longer pose a threat. It is therefore wrong to torture them or otherwise mistreat them.
No means malum in se
Combatants may not use weapons or other methods of warfare that are considered evil, such as mass rape, forcing enemy combatants to fight against their own side or using weapons whose effects cannot be controlled (e.g., nuclear/biological weapons).

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Even if they miss, it's an act of war, is it not?

That all depends: A missile with no payload? Probably more of an annoyance, a lot of "harrumphs", and more sanctions.

An armed conventional missile that detonates near Guam? That's some serious shit where some of their boats and jets start mysteriously go missing.

A nuclear-armed missile? No idea what would happen.

Will we wait until the missle touches down before responding?

It's Not "How You Play the Game," Because It's Not a Game

That's why the best way to avoid serious damage is an unannounced and massive first strike. Overwhelmed and in panic, the enemy will be too busy defending itself and its missiles to do anything offensively.

Americans have been led to serious misunderstanding of war by hearing Pearl Harbor being called a "sneak attack" and a "day of infamy." Even those whose cause is wrong have a right to do anything they can in order to win. The fact is, criticizing the Japanese tactics was a coverup for our leaders' incompetence in preventing them from being successful anywhere and at any time.