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I wouldn't recommend it
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Not if I'm still here this many years after.
It could just mean that God is under no obligation to obey you.
If I shake my fist at the sky and declare to God that I am impressed with neither his presence nor his proofs to date and I challenge the aforementioned God to kill me now or forever be regarded and described by me as fictitious, does that prove anything?
I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I like the sound of my own voice.
If I shake my fist at the sky and declare to God that I am impressed with neither his presence nor his proofs to date and I challenge the aforementioned God to kill me now or forever be regarded and described by me as fictitious, does that prove anything?
So God doesn't exist to you because He isn't Santa, and you didn't get what you asked for......
Therefore you traded an eternity of being co-heir of the universe and beyond, and all the perks that go with it, for a vapor of sweet rides. Ride hard lucky, the end of the road is dead ahead.
"He shakes his fists against the post and still insists he's seen the ghost". Can you say it three times? It's just as relevant as the rants of the average agnostic fat and happy Joe until he gets in a tight situation and asks God for help.
Believe what you want to believe. It's the beauty of living in the greatest Country in the world.
Joe, did you have a Mom and Dad growing up? If you asked one of them to kill you, would you be disappointed if they refused to kill their child too?
I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I like the sound of my own voice.
Obviously.
protip: Carrying your proposition through would reveal a whole lot more about you than it could ever reveal about God. Even if you died of cardiac arrest the instant you shook your fist, I'm sure you realize your buddies would blow it off as anything but God.
I don't think I got an answer from the last person I asked. Maybe you would care to try.
1. Please explain as succinctly as possible what personal event you would require, in order to believe beyond any doubt, that a Creator exists.
2. Keep it as realistic as possible. In other words, demanding a million people assemble together with you and you all witness the same event, will be taken as "I don't want to believe, and nothing will convince me, period." Keep your demands personal. What would you have to experience personally?
If I shake my fist at the sky and declare to God that I am impressed with neither his presence nor his proofs to date and I challenge the aforementioned God to kill me now or forever be regarded and described by me as fictitious, does that prove anything?
If I shake my fist at the sky and declare to God that I am impressed with neither his presence nor his proofs to date and I challenge the aforementioned God to kill me now or forever be regarded and described by me as fictitious, does that prove anything?
I don't think it proves anything other than, perhaps, that you are concerned over whether or not there is a god. If there is a god, this being may be just ignoring you for any number of reasons, possibly for being so silly or for seeking such a silly way to try to prove it's existence or non-existence. If there is no god or divine being, such an act on your part doesn't prove it one way or another. You truly need verifiable, concrete, physical evidence to prove something as a fact. If you did shake your fist at the sky and order 'God' to strike you dead if he exists, and you don't die, that means nothing as I stated above. If you do suddenly die, it could be for any number of reasons that are pure coincidence. Bottom line, you cannot prove God exists, or anything else exists, w/o concrete, empirical evidence.
If I shake my fist at the sky and declare to God that I am impressed with neither his presence nor his proofs to date and I challenge the aforementioned God to kill me now or forever be regarded and described by me as fictitious, does that prove anything?
I would have to answer no, it doesn't prove anything.
If we were all sitting on a beach on a Greek island a few thousand years ago, you might have asked that same question. However, your declaration to the gods would have been directed at Zeus and his unionized gods.
I suspect your question has been asked by people throughout human history. They just directed the question at whatever configuration of god(s) were a part of their culture.