If Bush , then Obama

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  1. RetiredGySgt
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    If, as several lib posters on here have claimed, Bush is guilty of the fiasco at the Air Force Morgue, then Obama is is guilty of Fast and Furious. We simply don't need any smoking gun.

    The Pentagon did not know of the problem but some how Bush is to blame. meanwhile Obama has a paper trail to him for fast and Furious and the same people attacking Bush are defending Obama.

    The logic? He was President when it happened.
     
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    You DO know about Operation Wide Receiver, right?

    Gun walking to MEXICO STARTED under Bush's WATCH!

    The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into 2007. The ATF was informed of a suspicious gun purchase by licensed dealer Mike Detty in Tucson, Arizona. He was then hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division. With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[18] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[17] They were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[6][19]

    At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms; two of them had pled guilty.[15]

    Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[2][20]

    Less than two weeks later, on October 6, William Newell, then ATF's special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division, shut down the operation at the behest of William Hoover, ATF's assistant director for the office of field operations.[21] No charges were filed. Newell, who was special agent in charge from June 2006 to May 2011, would later play a major role in Operation Fast and Furious.[2][22]
    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Jebus.

    Being an ignorant fucktard really blew up in your face, didn't it?
     
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    See... I don't go for that line of thinking. I'd much rather see some kind of investigation to find out who actually is responsible and punish those that are.
     

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