IDF Annihilates 50 Families in Gaza

[georgephillip]

it's a war zone folks. People going to die in war zones. Don't want to die, leave.

Two problems with your solution.
It's not a war.
It's an illegal occupation.
Since Jews control three of four borders, and Egyptians have closed the fourth, how do you leave?

 

[Sally]

it's a war zone folks. People going to die in war zones. Don't want to die, leave.

Two problems with your solution.
It's not a war.
It's an illegal occupation.
Since Jews control three of four borders, and Egyptians have closed the fourth, how do you leave?

Why, Dhimmi George, when one side starts up and tries to kill your citizens, then it is a war no matter how you cut it. I think Dhimmi George, since he is trying to make the viewers believe that he cares about Arabs (although he has had nothing to say about the tens of thousands of Arabs who have been killed elsehwere in the Middle East by other Arabs) is going to take a trip to Cairo and attempt to convince the leaders to let all those Gazans in. After all, when the Muslim Brotherhood was in power previously, one of the leaders said that the Gazans should come back to Egypt where they belong so naturally they would want to see their brethren safely in their midst. Do you think you are up to this assignment, Dhimmi George?

 

[georgephillip]

Wrong question.
What were kids doing in the middle of a war zone.

True
When I was in Beirut in 83 we sure as shit we're playing volleyball on the beach

Palestinians had occupied the homes and cabanas along the beaches, American soldiers lived in a compound down by the airport, Israelis were set up south of the city. Even the military beach had few visitors and many of the hotels along the cornish were destroyed or damaged. Kids that used to play football outside the entrance to the golf club if seen were looking for handouts or selling gum at car windows.

What role did you play?

 

[georgephillip]

it's a war zone folks. People going to die in war zones. Don't want to die, leave.

Two problems with your solution.
It's not a war.
It's an illegal occupation.
Since Jews control three of four borders, and Egyptians have closed the fourth, how do you leave?

Why, Dhimmi George, when one side starts up and tries to kill your citizens, then it is a war no matter how you cut it. I think Dhimmi George, since he is trying to make the viewers believe that he cares about Arabs (although he has had nothing to say about the tens of thousands of Arabs who have been killed elsehwere in the Middle East by other Arabs) is going to take a trip to Cairo and attempt to convince the leaders to let all those Gazans in. After all, when the Muslim Brotherhood was in power previously, one of the leaders said that the Gazans should come back to Egypt where they belong so naturally they would want to see their brethren safely in their midst. Do you think you are up to this assignment, Dhimmi George?

You should tell your citizens to stop stealing all the land between the River and the sea and using Arab children for gunnery practice, Ha$bara $al. Territory that was militarily conquered remains occupied until sovereignty is established through self-determination. Under the Fourth Geneva Convention the civilian population of Gaza is legally designated as "protected persons" NOT targets for ethnic cleansing'

Remind your people of that next Saturday in Westwood.

 

[boedicca]

Hamas uses women and children as body shields, and has also killed many due to missile misfires. The media has covered this up due to threats...but the lies are unraveling.

Yesterday one of the stories thrust into the mainstream media was nearly simultaneous explosions in a Palestinian neighborhood and at al-Shifa hospital.

The media immediately took the Hamas line that it was Israeli missiles. Later, the IDF stated that it had not fired on those locations, and that the explosions were misfired Hamas or Islamic Jihad missiles.

The media played it as he said, he said.

But an Italian journalist has just left Gaza and is telling the truth about what happened now that he needs not fear Hamas retaliation — Israel was right (h/t Israelly Cool):

Out of #Gaza far from #Hamas retaliation: misfired rocket killed children yday in Shati. Witness: militants rushed and cleared debris

— gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014

@IDFSpokesperson said truth in communique released yesterday about Shati camp massacre. It was not #Israel behind it

— gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014

How many more of the civilian casualties have been cause by Hamas and Islamic rockets that fell short or misfired? Like Israel says happened at a U.N. school and shelter.

We likely never will know because Hamas is so fast to cover up the scene and intimidates reporters:

The Times of Israel confirmed several incidents in which journalists were questioned and threatened. These included cases involving photographers who had taken pictures of Hamas operatives in compromising circumstances — gunmen preparing to shoot rockets from within civilian structures, and/or fighting in civilian clothing — and who were then approached by Hamas men, bullied and had their equipment taken away. ...


Media cover-up of Hamas crimes starting to unravel

 

[Slyhunter]

it's a war zone folks. People going to die in war zones. Don't want to die, leave.

Two problems with your solution.
It's not a war.
It's an illegal occupation.
Since Jews control three of four borders, and Egyptians have closed the fourth, how do you leave?

I bet the Israelites will let you leave if you want to leave. Just don't come back.

 

[Sally]

Two problems with your solution.
It's not a war.
It's an illegal occupation.
Since Jews control three of four borders, and Egyptians have closed the fourth, how do you leave?

Why, Dhimmi George, when one side starts up and tries to kill your citizens, then it is a war no matter how you cut it. I think Dhimmi George, since he is trying to make the viewers believe that he cares about Arabs (although he has had nothing to say about the tens of thousands of Arabs who have been killed elsehwere in the Middle East by other Arabs) is going to take a trip to Cairo and attempt to convince the leaders to let all those Gazans in. After all, when the Muslim Brotherhood was in power previously, one of the leaders said that the Gazans should come back to Egypt where they belong so naturally they would want to see their brethren safely in their midst. Do you think you are up to this assignment, Dhimmi George?

You should tell your citizens to stop stealing all the land between the River and the sea and using Arab children for gunnery practice, Ha$bara $al. Territory that was militarily conquered remains occupied until sovereignty is established through self-determination. Under the Fourth Geneva Convention the civilian population of Gaza is legally designated as "protected persons" NOT targets for ethnic cleansing'

Remind your people of that next Saturday in Westwood.

Poor Dhimmi George. He is stupid enough to think that he is fooling the viewers that he cares about the Arabs when he has not said one world about all those Arabs who have been murdered and are still being murdered by other Arabs even though he haunts this Middle East forum from early morning to late at night. If this loser, who couldn't afford the gas to get to Westwood if he even had a car, can't drag in his favorite scapegoats, the Jews, he just isn't interested. As you can see, Dhimmi George makes excuses for his new masters. His new masters start up with shooting all those rockets into Israel, and Dhimmi George wants his favorite scapegoats to just roll over for them and not fight back.

We know that you can type the dollar sign, Dhimmi George. That seems to be the only symbol on your keyboard that you are capable of typing. A chimp can do better than you.
Perhaps since you have so little money, even typing the dollar sign means an awful lot to you.

 

[Kondor3]

Eyewitnesses in the beachfront hotel knew they were children without the benefit of binoculars.

What would I consider a 'reliable source' in this matter?

1. consensus amongst multiple neutral journalists who witnessed the source of the firing?

2. clarification from the IDF, re: whether it was air, sea or land (artillery)?

3. intel from the US (observers, satellite feeds, etc.)

4. video, showing both the targets and the source of the firing, actually doing the firing, from an angle showing cause-and-effect?

Anybody other than the side who is doing the accusing.

Eyewitnesses on a beachfront hotel balcony 100 or 150 meters away, without binoculars, are a lot closer and have a better view, than a jet fighter-bomber bearing in from 10,000 feet at 600 MPH...

Eyewitnesses on a beachfront hotel balcony 100 or 150 meters away, without binoculars, are a lot closer and have a better view, than an artillery firebase 2 or 3 or 10 kilometers away or more, or an observer 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 kilometers away...

Eyewitnesses on a beachfront hotel balcony 100 or 150 meters away, without binoculars, are a lot closer and have a better view, than a naval gunship several hundred meters or a kilometer or two offshore...

Either there was a major screw-up somewhere up-and-down the line, in connection with observers calling-in a fire-mission, or a mistake in target identification or sequencing, or somebody in the IDF deliberately called-in a strike on little kids...

Your money is on 'deliberate targeting of children'...

My money is on 'mistaken targeting of children'... the targeting itself was intentional, and effective, but the observer(s) or those calling-in the fire-mission did not realize that they were targeting children at the time...

There is no little or no evidence that I am aware of, so far, one way or another, which is why I, and most other folks, are content to wait until further clarification can be obtained... not to delay an investigation or to try to sweep it under the carpet, but in order to get the facts, no partisan hype, one way or another...

(*) Personally, if it turns out that the Israelis did, indeed, target those kids, then, it's my hope that all those who had a hand in it, who knew they were dealing with children, and carried through with the hit anyway, should be brought up on criminal charges, and that severe penalties should be handed down, if they are found guilty...

But that doesn't mean that the world is going to skip right over the discovery and arraignment and trial processes on your say-so.



...Peter Beaumont, the Guardian's Jerusalem correspondent, was sitting on a terrace at a beach-front Gaza hotel when he saw explosions on the pier wall...

...

The initial reports coming from journalists on the scene attributed the explosions to gunfire from Israeli Navy boats that have been firing at targets on the coast in recent days. Beaumont who has covered many wars including Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan and Bosnia, says that after he and colleagues began getting a clearer picture, he reached the conclusion that it was most likely an air strike...

An eyewitness account of the attack that killed four children on Gaza beach - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

Questions?

...Is this any crime Jews might commit that you won't prompt SQUEALS of protests from you?

Sure.

This very one.

IF it turns out that children were intentionally targeted, and that the observers and/or shooters knew they wee children, at the time they called-in the fire-mission or actually fired.

As I've already outlined, above, in this very post. (*)

Questions?

Are you really ignorant enough of the Israeli occupation of Gaza to believe Jews do not regularly murder children in order to convince their parents to leave Palestine? ...

Non sequitur. Does not pertain to this case.

...Now you're expecting the Jews to investigate this particular crime, is that right?...

Incorrect.

I am expecting that the Israelis will have input into the investigation and will be expected to produce logs and gun-camera footage and testimony, to whatever authority is charged with such an investigation.

Nowhere above, do I imply anything even remotely indicative of a desire to trust Israel as the sole investigating authority in this matter.

Anything beyond that is the product of your own fevered brow.

...And you will swallow whatever load they bestow?...

You have me confused with the creature you see in the mirror each morning.

..."The IDF Spokesperson unit had difficulty coming up with an explanation for the explosions which killed the four children and wounded others and it took a few hours for them to begin to respond.

"Toward 8 P.M they began briefing reporters that the first explosion was most likely caused by an attack on a 'legitimate' Hamas target and the second the result of misidentification of the fleeing children as Hamas fighters.

"The incident is still under investigation, said IDF Spokesperson Brigadier General Moti Almoz. He said on Channel One that 'we understand there was a target which was hit after suspects were identified.

"'Remember that Hamas uses civilians as live targets opposite IDF. I don't know officers and soldiers who intentionally act against civilians.' Almoz said that from what the IDF knows so far 'this wasn't fire by the navy but likely an IAF strike.'"

"Beaumont says that he has no idea what the target could have been. 'The building that was hit was just a shipping container next to where one of the kids' father keeps his boat and stores fishing nets. The kids were just playing hide and seek there. They shoot missiles (against Israel) from this neighborhood but none from that location.'"

An eyewitness account of the attack that killed four children on Gaza beach - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

What, of substance, do you see in the above, to support your case that the Israelis knew in advance that they were targeting children?

 

[georgephillip]

Hamas uses women and children as body shields, and has also killed many due to missile misfires. The media has covered this up due to threats...but the lies are unraveling.

Yesterday one of the stories thrust into the mainstream media was nearly simultaneous explosions in a Palestinian neighborhood and at al-Shifa hospital.

The media immediately took the Hamas line that it was Israeli missiles. Later, the IDF stated that it had not fired on those locations, and that the explosions were misfired Hamas or Islamic Jihad missiles.

The media played it as he said, he said.

But an Italian journalist has just left Gaza and is telling the truth about what happened now that he needs not fear Hamas retaliation — Israel was right (h/t Israelly Cool):

Out of #Gaza far from #Hamas retaliation: misfired rocket killed children yday in Shati. Witness: militants rushed and cleared debris

— gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014

@IDFSpokesperson said truth in communique released yesterday about Shati camp massacre. It was not #Israel behind it

— gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014

How many more of the civilian casualties have been cause by Hamas and Islamic rockets that fell short or misfired? Like Israel says happened at a U.N. school and shelter.

We likely never will know because Hamas is so fast to cover up the scene and intimidates reporters:

The Times of Israel confirmed several incidents in which journalists were questioned and threatened. These included cases involving photographers who had taken pictures of Hamas operatives in compromising circumstances — gunmen preparing to shoot rockets from within civilian structures, and/or fighting in civilian clothing — and who were then approached by Hamas men, bullied and had their equipment taken away. ...


Media cover-up of Hamas crimes starting to unravel

"Another strike occurred at the Al-Shati refugee camp in northern Gaza.

"A Palestinian health official says at least 10 people, including children, were killed in Monday's strikes and dozens were injured. An NBC News team in the area said the strikes were in 'close succession' and the round that hit the refugee camp exploded in the middle of a crowded street where children had been playing.

"'We came out of the mosque when I saw the children playing with their toy guns. Seconds later a missile landed,' said Munther Al-Derbi, a resident of the camp. 'May God punish ... Netanyahu,' he said, referring to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu..."

"Early reports from the ground had said an Israeli drone appeared responsible for the attack.

"'Israel has been criticized for several strikes which hit hospitals in the Gaza Strip during its recent offensive.'

Strikes Near Gaza's Shifa Hospital, Refugee Camp Kill at Least 10 - NBC News

Jews deliberately target Palestinian children as part of a pattern of terrorism designed to ethnically cleanse Palestine of all non-Jews.

It's been ongoing since 1948 for those who haven't noticed.

 

[Kondor3]

it's a war zone folks. People going to die in war zones. Don't want to die, leave.

Two problems with your solution...

...It's not a war...

Don't look now, but, yes, it IS a war.

...It's an illegal occupation...

Forget about that old shit.

It's a war, now.

Welcome to your new Reality.

...Since Jews control three of four borders, and Egyptians have closed the fourth...

Even the Egyptians don't want anything to do with the mad-dog Gazans and their rabid Hamas masters.

...how do you leave?

1. run up a white flag

2. wait 'til the dust settles

3. ask the Israelis: "Please, may I go now?"

I bet they'll say 'yes'.

 

[Kondor3]

Jews deliberately target Palestinian children as part of a pattern of terrorism designed to ethnically cleanse Palestine of all non-Jews.

It's been ongoing since 1948 for those who haven't noticed.

All unfounded speculation and biased, self-serving theory; none of it proven, nor even likely.

Your propaganda war is not going very well here, is it, my little Muslim Sleeper Cell?

 

[georgephillip]

What would I consider a 'reliable source' in this matter?

1. consensus amongst multiple neutral journalists who witnessed the source of the firing?

2. clarification from the IDF, re: whether it was air, sea or land (artillery)?

3. intel from the US (observers, satellite feeds, etc.)

4. video, showing both the targets and the source of the firing, actually doing the firing, from an angle showing cause-and-effect?

Anybody other than the side who is doing the accusing.

Eyewitnesses on a beachfront hotel balcony 100 or 150 meters away, without binoculars, are a lot closer and have a better view, than a jet fighter-bomber bearing in from 10,000 feet at 600 MPH...

Eyewitnesses on a beachfront hotel balcony 100 or 150 meters away, without binoculars, are a lot closer and have a better view, than an artillery firebase 2 or 3 or 10 kilometers away or more, or an observer 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 kilometers away...

Eyewitnesses on a beachfront hotel balcony 100 or 150 meters away, without binoculars, are a lot closer and have a better view, than a naval gunship several hundred meters or a kilometer or two offshore...

Either there was a major screw-up somewhere up-and-down the line, in connection with observers calling-in a fire-mission, or a mistake in target identification or sequencing, or somebody in the IDF deliberately called-in a strike on little kids...

Your money is on 'deliberate targeting of children'...

My money is on 'mistaken targeting of children'... the targeting itself was intentional, and effective, but the observer(s) or those calling-in the fire-mission did not realize that they were targeting children at the time...

There is no little or no evidence that I am aware of, so far, one way or another, which is why I, and most other folks, are content to wait until further clarification can be obtained... not to delay an investigation or to try to sweep it under the carpet, but in order to get the facts, no partisan hype, one way or another...

(*) Personally, if it turns out that the Israelis did, indeed, target those kids, then, it's my hope that all those who had a hand in it, who knew they were dealing with children, and carried through with the hit anyway, should be brought up on criminal charges, and that severe penalties should be handed down, if they are found guilty...

But that doesn't mean that the world is going to skip right over the discovery and arraignment and trial processes on your say-so.



...Peter Beaumont, the Guardian's Jerusalem correspondent, was sitting on a terrace at a beach-front Gaza hotel when he saw explosions on the pier wall...

...

The initial reports coming from journalists on the scene attributed the explosions to gunfire from Israeli Navy boats that have been firing at targets on the coast in recent days. Beaumont who has covered many wars including Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan and Bosnia, says that after he and colleagues began getting a clearer picture, he reached the conclusion that it was most likely an air strike...

An eyewitness account of the attack that killed four children on Gaza beach - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

Questions?

Sure.

This very one.

IF it turns out that children were intentionally targeted, and that the observers and/or shooters knew they wee children, at the time they called-in the fire-mission or actually fired.

As I've already outlined, above, in this very post. (*)

Questions?

Are you really ignorant enough of the Israeli occupation of Gaza to believe Jews do not regularly murder children in order to convince their parents to leave Palestine? ...

Non sequitur. Does not pertain to this case.


Incorrect.

I am expecting that the Israelis will have input into the investigation and will be expected to produce logs and gun-camera footage and testimony, to whatever authority is charged with such an investigation.

Nowhere above, do I imply anything even remotely indicative of a desire to trust Israel as the sole investigating authority in this matter.

Anything beyond that is the product of your own fevered brow.

...And you will swallow whatever load they bestow?...

You have me confused with the creature you see in the mirror each morning.

..."The IDF Spokesperson unit had difficulty coming up with an explanation for the explosions which killed the four children and wounded others and it took a few hours for them to begin to respond.

"Toward 8 P.M they began briefing reporters that the first explosion was most likely caused by an attack on a 'legitimate' Hamas target and the second the result of misidentification of the fleeing children as Hamas fighters.

"The incident is still under investigation, said IDF Spokesperson Brigadier General Moti Almoz. He said on Channel One that 'we understand there was a target which was hit after suspects were identified.

"'Remember that Hamas uses civilians as live targets opposite IDF. I don't know officers and soldiers who intentionally act against civilians.' Almoz said that from what the IDF knows so far 'this wasn't fire by the navy but likely an IAF strike.'"

"Beaumont says that he has no idea what the target could have been. 'The building that was hit was just a shipping container next to where one of the kids' father keeps his boat and stores fishing nets. The kids were just playing hide and seek there. They shoot missiles (against Israel) from this neighborhood but none from that location.'"

An eyewitness account of the attack that killed four children on Gaza beach - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

What, of substance, do you see in the above, to support your case that the Israelis knew in advance that they were targeting children?

"Non sequitur (Latin for 'it does not follow'), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises."
You're saying the deaths of the four children on that Gaza beach doesn't pertain to an alleged pattern of systematic targeting of Palestinian children by Israel?

Is that right?

Non sequitur (logic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

it's a war zone folks. People going to die in war zones. Don't want to die, leave.

Two problems with your solution...

Don't look now, but, yes, it IS a war.


Forget about that old shit.

It's a war, now.

Welcome to your new Reality.

...Since Jews control three of four borders, and Egyptians have closed the fourth...

Even the Egyptians don't want anything to do with the mad-dog Gazans and their rabid Hamas masters.

...how do you leave?

1. run up a white flag

2. wait 'til the dust settles

3. ask the Israelis: "Please, may I go now?"

I bet they'll say 'yes'.

Fortunately, Palestinians aren't as obsequious as you.

"Sumud (Arabic: صمود*) meaning 'steadfastness'[1] or 'steadfast perseverance' is an ideological theme and political strategy that first emerged among the Palestinian people through the experience of the dialectic of oppression and resistance in the wake of the 1967 Six-Day War.[2]

"Those who are steadfast, that is those who exhibit sumud, are referred to as samidin, the singular forms of which are samid (m.) and samida (f.).

"With the passing of the years since 1967, Palestinians have distinguished between two main forms of sumud.

"The first, static sumud, is more passive and is defined by Ibrahim Dhahak as the 'maintenance of Palestinians on their land.'

"The second, resistance sumud (in Arabic, sumud muqawim) is a more dynamic ideology whose aim is to seek ways of building alternative institutions so as to resist and undermine the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories."

Sumud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Slyhunter]

Hamas uses women and children as body shields, and has also killed many due to missile misfires. The media has covered this up due to threats...but the lies are unraveling.

Yesterday one of the stories thrust into the mainstream media was nearly simultaneous explosions in a Palestinian neighborhood and at al-Shifa hospital.

The media immediately took the Hamas line that it was Israeli missiles. Later, the IDF stated that it had not fired on those locations, and that the explosions were misfired Hamas or Islamic Jihad missiles.

The media played it as he said, he said.

But an Italian journalist has just left Gaza and is telling the truth about what happened now that he needs not fear Hamas retaliation — Israel was right (h/t Israelly Cool):

Out of #Gaza far from #Hamas retaliation: misfired rocket killed children yday in Shati. Witness: militants rushed and cleared debris

— gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014

@IDFSpokesperson said truth in communique released yesterday about Shati camp massacre. It was not #Israel behind it

— gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014

How many more of the civilian casualties have been cause by Hamas and Islamic rockets that fell short or misfired? Like Israel says happened at a U.N. school and shelter.

We likely never will know because Hamas is so fast to cover up the scene and intimidates reporters:

The Times of Israel confirmed several incidents in which journalists were questioned and threatened. These included cases involving photographers who had taken pictures of Hamas operatives in compromising circumstances — gunmen preparing to shoot rockets from within civilian structures, and/or fighting in civilian clothing — and who were then approached by Hamas men, bullied and had their equipment taken away. ...


Media cover-up of Hamas crimes starting to unravel

"Another strike occurred at the Al-Shati refugee camp in northern Gaza.

"A Palestinian health official says at least 10 people, including children, were killed in Monday's strikes and dozens were injured. An NBC News team in the area said the strikes were in 'close succession' and the round that hit the refugee camp exploded in the middle of a crowded street where children had been playing.

"'We came out of the mosque when I saw the children playing with their toy guns. Seconds later a missile landed,' said Munther Al-Derbi, a resident of the camp. 'May God punish ... Netanyahu,' he said, referring to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu..."

"Early reports from the ground had said an Israeli drone appeared responsible for the attack.

"'Israel has been criticized for several strikes which hit hospitals in the Gaza Strip during its recent offensive.'

Strikes Near Gaza's Shifa Hospital, Refugee Camp Kill at Least 10 - NBC News

Jews deliberately target Palestinian children as part of a pattern of terrorism designed to ethnically cleanse Palestine of all non-Jews.

It's been ongoing since 1948 for those who haven't noticed.

What are kids doing playing with toy guns in the middle of a war zone?

 

[Kondor3]

..."Non sequitur (Latin for 'it does not follow'), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises."...

Exactly.

Does not follow.

Disconnected.

Unrelated.

...You're saying the deaths of the four children on that Gaza beach doesn't pertain to an alleged pattern of systematic targeting of Palestinian children by Israel?... Is that right?...

Exactly.

Why?

Because it is an 'alleged' pattern.

Unproven.

You cannot use rumor and allegation to prove a criminal case at-law.

Any defense attorney fresh out of law school will object on the grounds that you are trying to introduce hearsay evidence into a trial, and the objection will (rightly) be sustained.

You must use fact.

You have no material facts in this regard.

Furthermore, even if you did have material facts in this regard - and you do not - each case is judged on its own merits, and you have no material facts in that regard in connection with this case, either - just biased, partisan speculation, based upon guesses and hearsay.

Case dismissed, for lack of evidence.

 

[Kondor3]

Two problems with your solution...

Don't look now, but, yes, it IS a war.


Forget about that old shit.

It's a war, now.

Welcome to your new Reality.


Even the Egyptians don't want anything to do with the mad-dog Gazans and their rabid Hamas masters.

...how do you leave?

1. run up a white flag

2. wait 'til the dust settles

3. ask the Israelis: "Please, may I go now?"

I bet they'll say 'yes'.

Fortunately, Palestinians aren't as obsequious as you.

"Sumud (Arabic: صمود*) meaning 'steadfastness'[1] or 'steadfast perseverance' is an ideological theme and political strategy that first emerged among the Palestinian people through the experience of the dialectic of oppression and resistance in the wake of the 1967 Six-Day War.[2]

"Those who are steadfast, that is those who exhibit sumud, are referred to as samidin, the singular forms of which are samid (m.) and samida (f.).

"With the passing of the years since 1967, Palestinians have distinguished between two main forms of sumud.

"The first, static sumud, is more passive and is defined by Ibrahim Dhahak as the 'maintenance of Palestinians on their land.'

"The second, resistance sumud (in Arabic, sumud muqawim) is a more dynamic ideology whose aim is to seek ways of building alternative institutions so as to resist and undermine the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories."

Sumud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's OK.

Them continuing to die is an equally acceptable alternative.

Your choice.

 

[georgephillip]

Don't look now, but, yes, it IS a war.


Forget about that old shit.

It's a war, now.

Welcome to your new Reality.


Even the Egyptians don't want anything to do with the mad-dog Gazans and their rabid Hamas masters.


1. run up a white flag

2. wait 'til the dust settles

3. ask the Israelis: "Please, may I go now?"

I bet they'll say 'yes'.

Fortunately, Palestinians aren't as obsequious as you.

"Sumud (Arabic: صمود*) meaning 'steadfastness'[1] or 'steadfast perseverance' is an ideological theme and political strategy that first emerged among the Palestinian people through the experience of the dialectic of oppression and resistance in the wake of the 1967 Six-Day War.[2]

"Those who are steadfast, that is those who exhibit sumud, are referred to as samidin, the singular forms of which are samid (m.) and samida (f.).

"With the passing of the years since 1967, Palestinians have distinguished between two main forms of sumud.

"The first, static sumud, is more passive and is defined by Ibrahim Dhahak as the 'maintenance of Palestinians on their land.'

"The second, resistance sumud (in Arabic, sumud muqawim) is a more dynamic ideology whose aim is to seek ways of building alternative institutions so as to resist and undermine the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories."

Sumud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's OK.

Them continuing to die is an equally acceptable alternative.

Your choice.

Here's a video showing the beach killings.
Tell me if it changes your POV of the events.

Israel and Hamas agrees to brief ceasefire - RTÉ News

 

[Kondor3]

...Here's a video showing the beach killings. Tell me if it changes your POV of the events...

Nope.

Why should it?

It supposedly showed the last moments of three kids running along a beach.

It says nothing, nor sheds any new light, on your earlier allegation that the Israelis knew that they were targeting children, when that strike occurred.

Not a shred.

We already know that four Palestinian (Gazan) kids were killed down on the beach.

We already know that the Israelis were probably responsible as the firing party.

We already know that those deaths were a tragedy by any compassionate and measurable terms.

We do NOT know whether the Israelis knew they were children, when they fired from afar.

Your video is silent on that important matter - the key point of discussion between us at the moment.

Neither does the video speak to the Gazans choice of Surrender or Die.

Your 'resistance at all costs' brave talk is just that.

Brave, foolish talk.

Easy to instigate, when your leaders are sitting, fat and happy in Qatar, and you're in-the-shit, getting maimed and killed and made homeless.

Look around you.

Your world is burning, and you can't stop it.

The Israelis are coming for 'you' , finally.

And there is no Arab Cavalry coming over the hill this time.

Surrender, while you still can.

Or suffer the consequences of continued war against Israel - and leave this world with the epithet 'Fool' ringing in your ears.

If that's your choice, then God have mercy on your foolish souls when He receives them.

 

[georgephillip]

Jews deliberately target Palestinian children as part of a pattern of terrorism designed to ethnically cleanse Palestine of all non-Jews.

It's been ongoing since 1948 for those who haven't noticed.

All unfounded speculation and biased, self-serving theory; none of it proven, nor even likely.

Your propaganda war is not going very well here, is it, my little Muslim Sleeper Cell?

Better than your cheerleading for baby killers.
"I’ve already raised the white flag. I’ve stopped searching the dictionary for the word to describe half of a boy’s missing head while his father screams 'Wake up, wake up, I bought you a toy!'”

Reaping what we have sown in Gaza - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

 

[Kondor3]

Jews deliberately target Palestinian children as part of a pattern of terrorism designed to ethnically cleanse Palestine of all non-Jews.

It's been ongoing since 1948 for those who haven't noticed.

All unfounded speculation and biased, self-serving theory; none of it proven, nor even likely.

Your propaganda war is not going very well here, is it, my little Muslim Sleeper Cell?

Better than your cheerleading for baby killers...

Only in your tiny little mind.

And, it is worth noting, when you are faced with facts (or your own demonstrable lack of facts), you resort to maudlin emotionalism.

Newsflash... that's not going to stop Israel from hunting down and slitting the throats of your Hamas boys... not this time.

..."I’ve already raised the white flag. I’ve stopped searching the dictionary for the word to describe half of a boy’s missing head while his father screams 'Wake up, wake up, I bought you a toy!'” ...

Move your combatant personnel and war-assets away from your civilians and this will not happen.