I might vote for Hillary Clinton now!

[Boss]

Trump is the PERFECT guy to do it. Why? Because he cares nothing about pandering to Republican's/Democrats. He'll do whats right for this country and all American's. If that means "throwing his party under the bus" to get something done he will do it. That's the kind of President we need. Some one beholden to no one but the American people.

And yet, since securing the nomination, he has done nothing but cater to the establishment elite. He has adopted the "tax the rich" meme... he says he'll raise the MW to $10/hr because we "have to help people." He now proposes MORE infrastructure (roads and bridges) bullshit than Hillary.

You will not find another politician willing to go against his/her own party for the benefit of the country.

Two words for ya... TED CRUZ!

The neocons will not be able to drag us into pointless wars anymore and we have a good chance of having a better relationship with Russia. No more beating the cold war drums. The gig is up under Trump.

He has stated that his plan to eliminate ISIS is to control the oil in the region. How is he going to do that without putting boots on the ground? What's going to happen when Russia expresses displeasure over us controlling the oil they've been buying from the bad guys? He even asked an adviser why we can't use our nukes in Europe. Given his nature toward people who go against him, he's a little scary.

I don't hate anyone synth. Hate is a strong word. I don't know Mrs. Clinton, but she seems like a very nice woman. I like her in that aspect, but she is not fit to run the country at this time.

Hillary seems like a very nice woman? Now I know you've been hitting the crack pipe too much. In what way does she seem like a very nice woman? In the fake, pretentious, I'm fooling you but you're too stupid to know way?

He's adopted nothing. He's been saying for almost a year now the "rich" MAY find themselves paying higher taxes. Same goes with the minimum wage debate. During the primaries he said that should be explored.

No we shouldn't be raising taxes on the top marginal wage earners and that's not "taxing the rich" by any stretch of conservative thought. Sorry.. it's a liberal meme. Raising the minimum wage kills jobs at the lower end, we know this is a fact. So why does he want to explore something to kill jobs? He said last week... $10/hr. I heard the words come out of his mouth... completely contradicting what he stood on the debate stage and said when he said he would not increase the minimum wage because it kills jobs.

Ted Cruz? He's just another whore like the rest of them.

He and Mike Lee. along with a couple others, are the only ones who have stood up to the establishment and they paid the price for it. Trump continues to CAVE to the establishment, and of BOTH parties!

ISIS has to be dealt with. We can't walk away from that. I'm talking about places like Iraq (when Saddam was Pres) and Libya (Gaddafi) and Yemen. It's time we mind our own damn business and stop invading and destabilizing countries. Iraq shouldn't have happened, Libya shouldn't have happened, drone strikes in Yemen need to stop. We impose our will everywhere and create more enemies.

I don't disagree that we have to deal with ISIS but the idea that we're going to do what he claims without some kind of military confrontation is absurd. You can't have a US military presence and NOT have one at the same time. That's not possible in our current version of reality.

Clinton is playing a role in public. I don't know her personally, nor do I know how she acts in private, so I'm not going to judge her. She looks to me like a nice enough woman, who am I judge her differently? What? because I dislike her policies and whats she's done I'm automatically supposed to hate her? Call her fake? Call her pretentious? I don't live my life that way.

You've gotta be an airhead.

 

[thanatos144]

Di8d they push to change law so speech can more easily be squashed? Because Trump wants laws to do that. You ignorantly keep showing a turd hoping it will hide the turd you are eating up.

The democrats as a party used the IRS to prevent conservative groups from getting their tax free status.......hilary used FBI files to attack her enemies in the first White House stay......you guys are morons if you don't think this woman will attack freedom of speech......

So why is it again you are supporting a democrat that wants to do even worse?

Trump doesn't have a record......he gets a shot at doing the job....he has a record of success as a multinational business man....

Hilary has a record of absolute corruption and incompetence.....she has had a shot and has shown she cannot be trusted.....

if you want to keep getting crappy politicians...just keep rewarding the worst of them with better political offices.....if you want to get them under some sort of control, you don't reward them with the White House.....

what success? He multiple bankruptcies? Or his coning people out of their life savings with a fake school? Maybe it is the foreign labor he uses so he doesn't have to hire Americans??? Trump is broke which is why he doesnt want his tax return shown.

what fake school?

trump university

 

[jc456]

The democrats as a party used the IRS to prevent conservative groups from getting their tax free status.......hilary used FBI files to attack her enemies in the first White House stay......you guys are morons if you don't think this woman will attack freedom of speech......

So why is it again you are supporting a democrat that wants to do even worse?

Trump doesn't have a record......he gets a shot at doing the job....he has a record of success as a multinational business man....

Hilary has a record of absolute corruption and incompetence.....she has had a shot and has shown she cannot be trusted.....

if you want to keep getting crappy politicians...just keep rewarding the worst of them with better political offices.....if you want to get them under some sort of control, you don't reward them with the White House.....

what success? He multiple bankruptcies? Or his coning people out of their life savings with a fake school? Maybe it is the foreign labor he uses so he doesn't have to hire Americans??? Trump is broke which is why he doesnt want his tax return shown.

what fake school?

trump university

you know that people in fact did graduate and did get what they paid for. You know this right?

 

[thanatos144]

So why is it again you are supporting a democrat that wants to do even worse?

Trump doesn't have a record......he gets a shot at doing the job....he has a record of success as a multinational business man....

Hilary has a record of absolute corruption and incompetence.....she has had a shot and has shown she cannot be trusted.....

if you want to keep getting crappy politicians...just keep rewarding the worst of them with better political offices.....if you want to get them under some sort of control, you don't reward them with the White House.....

what success? He multiple bankruptcies? Or his coning people out of their life savings with a fake school? Maybe it is the foreign labor he uses so he doesn't have to hire Americans??? Trump is broke which is why he doesnt want his tax return shown.

what fake school?

trump university

you know that people in fact did graduate and did get what they paid for. You know this right?

I know that it is a scam like all Trump does.... I also know he is being Sued for it and the SEC is looking into it. You remain ignorant I will not.

 

[jc456]

Trump doesn't have a record......he gets a shot at doing the job....he has a record of success as a multinational business man....

Hilary has a record of absolute corruption and incompetence.....she has had a shot and has shown she cannot be trusted.....

if you want to keep getting crappy politicians...just keep rewarding the worst of them with better political offices.....if you want to get them under some sort of control, you don't reward them with the White House.....

what success? He multiple bankruptcies? Or his coning people out of their life savings with a fake school? Maybe it is the foreign labor he uses so he doesn't have to hire Americans??? Trump is broke which is why he doesnt want his tax return shown.

what fake school?

trump university

you know that people in fact did graduate and did get what they paid for. You know this right?

I know that it is a scam like all Trump does.... I also know he is being Sued for it and the SEC is looking into it. You remain ignorant I will not.

so like a true leftturd you won't answer my question. Another thing about you lefties. How the fk did you make it through school not answering questions from teachers? Oh yeah, you didn't.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

what success? He multiple bankruptcies? Or his coning people out of their life savings with a fake school? Maybe it is the foreign labor he uses so he doesn't have to hire Americans??? Trump is broke which is why he doesnt want his tax return shown.

what fake school?

trump university

you know that people in fact did graduate and did get what they paid for. You know this right?

I know that it is a scam like all Trump does.... I also know he is being Sued for it and the SEC is looking into it. You remain ignorant I will not.

so like a true leftturd you won't answer my question. Another thing about you lefties. How the fk did you make it through school not answering questions from teachers? Oh yeah, you didn't.

To be fair, at this point, failing school is passing.

On a more serious note, Thanatos isn't a lefty, read his posts.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It's time to turn this bitch upside down and make out government what its supposed to be.

What is it supposed to be according to you? I know it's supposed to based upon selling your ideas and aspirations to the majority of Americans and electing representatives to represent you locally and on a national level.

If an opposing majority view prevails our system of governing is based on the consent to be governed even if your selected representatives are not the ones to prevail.

Calling Hillary a bitch is not within the spirt of consent to be governed. It is verbal violence which is protected of course but it is a form of violence that is not necessary.

You may quit such nonsense and try selling your political preferences in a reasoned and facts based manner. Try it. That would help make our government perform at its best and represent the majority.

 

[Boss]

I know it's supposed to based upon selling your ideas and aspirations to the majority of Americans and electing representatives to represent you locally and on a national level.

If an opposing majority view prevails our system of governing is based on the consent to be governed even if your selected representatives are not the ones to prevail.

We do not consent to be governed. Government exists by our consent. We don't live in a democracy where majority rules. A president can veto legislation and require a super-majority for passage. He can also execute executive orders and bypass what the majority wants. The SCOTUS can overrule what the majority wants. So there are many ways we're not a democracy.

 

[Synthaholic]

Vote for mccullin boss.

The Mormon can't even get the other Mormon's name right - it's McMullin.

 

[Boss]

McMullin is a joke. It's less than 2% of the GOP's dwindling neo-turds. It's the Jeb Bush voters. He'll pull some votes from Trump but Trump has much bigger problems. He continues to move radically away from Conservatism. And this is ironic, given that he is now so intent on running left of Hillary... his tax plan now proposes a 12% tax on those who are currently not paying taxes. That's just brilliant... who likes that idea? What vote is that going to gain him?

Put this together with his caustic mouth and no filter, plus his seeming lack of ability to do as advertised and unite everyone through successful negotiation and deal working... instead, choosing to further alienate and drive a wedge between his "radical movement" and core constitutional conservatives who are frankly fed up with the reality show.

It's really frustrating being one of these "butthurt" Cruz supporters right now. We don't want Hillary to be the president but this buffoon isn't going to win, he is going to tank and probably take the Senate with him...maybe the House too. It doesn't matter what WE do anymore, we can't save your guy. He is doing this to himself... you're being punked. Us Cruz supporters tried to tell you the whole time that he was the wrong guy and you wouldn't listen.

And hey... as big of a Ted Cruz man as I was... I honestly contemplated switching to Trump at one point because I thought Trump might have a better chance to bring the tea party and establishment factions together than Cruz. I am glad now that I didn't make that jump. I feel bad for Dr. Carson and Mike Pence.

 

[Synthaholic]

I'm dead set against a Clinton Presidency..period. I do not want her in office...period. I'm not going to act all butt hurt because people said mean things about Drumpf supporters when faced with a possible Clinton presidency. It's unthinkable to me.

Where does all this CDS come from?

When I see all this baseless Hillary hatred I often think back to this:

“Were you molested by a real estate lady?” Bill Maher and Andrew Sullivan’s shocking Hillary Clinton clash

I don't hate anyone. You're projecting. Hillary seems like a nice enough woman.

There's a huge difference between hating someone and feeling they are totally unfit to run the country. Clinton cannot get done what needs to be done to turn this country around. No career politician, left or right, can for that matter. They have ALL failed us and will continue to fail us. It's time to turn this bitch upside down and make out government what its supposed to be...for, by and of <<remember that little obscure blurb in the constitution?

Trump isn't the guy to do it. He doesn't have the knowledge or the discipline. And I firmly believe he's a sociopath with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I'm fine with an outsider to shake up the system. But it has to be someone who instills confidence from both sides.

You may not hate Hillary, but hatred of her often goes hand in hand with opposing her.

Trump is the PERFECT guy to do it. Why? Because he cares nothing about pandering to Republican's/Democrats. He'll do whats right for this country and all American's. If that means "throwing his party under the bus" to get something done he will do it. That's the kind of President we need. Some one beholden to no one but the American people. You will not find another politician willing to go against his/her own party for the benefit of the country. They are worried about being re-elected and keeping their donors/lobbyists/special interests happy. Trump needs nothing. He can go back to his life in the private sector and be perfectly fine. His life will be even better actually (financially that is). He gains NOTHING by playing by the "rules" of Washington because he already has everything.

The man can't be bought and that scares the shit out the Washington elites and the rich and powerful. They are fucked under a Trump presidency. They stand to lose billions and a shit ton of influence. The neocons will not be able to drag us into pointless wars anymore and we have a good chance of having a better relationship with Russia. No more beating the cold war drums. The gig is up under Trump.

I don't hate anyone synth. Hate is a strong word. I don't know Mrs. Clinton, but she seems like a very nice woman. I like her in that aspect, but she is not fit to run the country at this time.

Yes, this is the Trump fan's line: he can't be bought, he doesn't need anything, yada yada yada.

Let's take a couple of your points:

If he's so rich (he's not), why did he need to give campaign contributions to get special favors? And since he's now saying that Hillary is all about pay to play, and that's illegal, hasn't Trump committed crimes by giving contributions (pay) to get special favors (play)?

Please point to ANYTHING in Trump's career, dating back to the early 1980s, that indicates that he cares about the country, rather than just caring about enriching himself. Because he says so in a political speech? Please.

You say he can go back to private life and actually be better off financially. After everything that has come out (with much more to come, believe me) who in their right mind would ever go into business with him again? This is a guy whose standard business tactic was to order things (tablecloths for his casinos, etc.) with the Trump logo, then refuse delivery unless the small business owner lowered the price. That's unethical, and put more than one small business owner out of business, and created real hardships for others. So why do you now believe he's going to be a champion for small business? Because he says so in a political speech? Please.

He's already suffering financially because of his campaign: bookings at his hotels have plummeted. Because the types of people who can afford $500+ per night on a hotel room are successful, educated people who see through his bullshit, and know better than to believe his promises.

 

[Synthaholic]

He now proposes MORE infrastructure (roads and bridges) bullshit than Hillary.

Why is that bullshit?

It creates thousands, if not millions, of jobs. Jobs create income taxes. Income taxes help reduce the debt. Jobs reduce welfare dependency. Jobs create family wealth, which propels spending on consumer goods, which create more jobs in the service industry, and demand for manufacturing, which...wait for it.........creates more jobs.

Are you sure you're a conservative?

 

[Synthaholic]

You will not find another politician willing to go against his/her own party for the benefit of the country.

Two words for ya... TED CRUZ!

Rafael didn't go against his Party for the benefit of the country. He did it for the benefit of Rafael's political career.

 

[Synthaholic]

Hillary seems like a very nice woman? Now I know you've been hitting the crack pipe too much. In what way does she seem like a very nice woman? In the fake, pretentious, I'm fooling you but you're too stupid to know way?

Your crack pipe is Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Rush Limbaugh. And you're sucking it, and them, pretty hard.

 

[Synthaholic]

Where does all this CDS come from?

When I see all this baseless Hillary hatred I often think back to this:

“Were you molested by a real estate lady?” Bill Maher and Andrew Sullivan’s shocking Hillary Clinton clash

I don't hate anyone. You're projecting. Hillary seems like a nice enough woman.

There's a huge difference between hating someone and feeling they are totally unfit to run the country. Clinton cannot get done what needs to be done to turn this country around. No career politician, left or right, can for that matter. They have ALL failed us and will continue to fail us. It's time to turn this bitch upside down and make out government what its supposed to be...for, by and of <<remember that little obscure blurb in the constitution?

Trump isn't the guy to do it. He doesn't have the knowledge or the discipline. And I firmly believe he's a sociopath with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I'm fine with an outsider to shake up the system. But it has to be someone who instills confidence from both sides.

You may not hate Hillary, but hatred of her often goes hand in hand with opposing her.

Trump is the PERFECT guy to do it. Why? Because he cares nothing about pandering to Republican's/Democrats. He'll do whats right for this country and all American's. If that means "throwing his party under the bus" to get something done he will do it. That's the kind of President we need. Some one beholden to no one but the American people. You will not find another politician willing to go against his/her own party for the benefit of the country. They are worried about being re-elected and keeping their donors/lobbyists/special interests happy. Trump needs nothing. He can go back to his life in the private sector and be perfectly fine. His life will be even better actually (financially that is). He gains NOTHING by playing by the "rules" of Washington because he already has everything.

The man can't be bought and that scares the shit out the Washington elites and the rich and powerful. They are fucked under a Trump presidency. They stand to lose billions and a shit ton of influence. The neocons will not be able to drag us into pointless wars anymore and we have a good chance of having a better relationship with Russia. No more beating the cold war drums. The gig is up under Trump.

I don't hate anyone synth. Hate is a strong word. I don't know Mrs. Clinton, but she seems like a very nice woman. I like her in that aspect, but she is not fit to run the country at this time.

So he backed McCain and Ryan last week because he doesn't care about pandering to the party?

That has nothing to do with policy. I'm talking implementing his policies and working with congress.

He has no policies, other than 'Make America Great Again'. He has no specifics.

Why would Congress agree to work with him? Why would Mitch McConnell (if he stays Majority Leader - doubtful), who is a huge proponent of trade agreements (as is Ryan), not just obstruct like he has done with Obama?

No president since Reagan in 1984 has had as clear a mandate as Obama did in 2008, but that didn't mean shit to Republicans in Congress - but you think Trump will have a magic potion to get them to roll over?

 

[EatMorChikin]

Oh, I realize that is going to shock some people and raise some eyebrows. I haven't made up my mind just yet... I might just write-in my vote for Ted Cruz. But after the way Cruz has been treated by the Trump brigade, I am done with you people! I will actively campaign against your candidate and I might even cast my vote for Hillary, just to spite you.

So congratulations... I am a conservative who could have held my nose and voted for Trump to keep Hillary out of the white house... and in less than 24 hours, you have convinced me to NOT vote for YOUR candidate. Not only, not vote for him, but to actively campaign against him.

This was THE moment in the campaign where you could've shown some class and allowed Cruz to have some dignity and respect, but you chose to start the "Lyin' Ted" crap again and re-hash the primary campaign instead of reaching out to unify the party. ALL any of you needed to do was to shut your pie holes for a day... let Cruz have his moment... appreciate his message for what it was, a call to unity... an endorsement of Republican values and support for the platform.... but you just couldn't bring yourselves to do that... you had to go and start trashing the man again.

Well smart asses, you've lost my support! You can do this without me! You don't need MY vote! So go fuck yourselves and win it without me! In fact, win it with ME vocally campaigning AGAINST you! Because that's the way YOU wanted this... not me. I will now turn my attention to the down ballot races and electing principled constitutional conservatives who hold my values and the values of Ted Cruz. As for the presidency... I don't give two shits anymore who wins! If it's Hillary... so be it! I had actually RATHER it be Hillary than for you arrogant assholes to enjoy a victory. I am THAT pissed off! You smugly believe that you've unified the party through your trashing and smearing of a great man....WRONG... you've just cost Donald Trump ANY chance of winning this election.

You aren't a conservative, or there is no way you could risk her nominating a supreme court judge. Thanks for the fake story tho.

 

[Synthaholic]

Trump is the PERFECT guy to do it. Why? Because he cares nothing about pandering to Republican's/Democrats. He'll do whats right for this country and all American's. If that means "throwing his party under the bus" to get something done he will do it. That's the kind of President we need. Some one beholden to no one but the American people. You will not find another politician willing to go against his/her own party for the benefit of the country. They are worried about being re-elected and keeping their donors/lobbyists/special interests happy. Trump needs nothing. He can go back to his life in the private sector and be perfectly fine. His life will be even better actually (financially that is). He gains NOTHING by playing by the "rules" of Washington because he already has everything.

The man can't be bought and that scares the shit out the Washington elites and the rich and powerful. They are fucked under a Trump presidency. They stand to lose billions and a shit ton of influence. The neocons will not be able to drag us into pointless wars anymore and we have a good chance of having a better relationship with Russia. No more beating the cold war drums. The gig is up under Trump.

I don't hate anyone synth. Hate is a strong word. I don't know Mrs. Clinton, but she seems like a very nice woman. I like her in that aspect, but she is not fit to run the country at this time.

Great post, and I couldn't agree more. (well except the liking Hillary part ). If I come even close to saying the above, I am attacked. Everyone believes in our right to believe and vote as we see fit..........as long as we vote for who they want us to vote for.

Kat, I have no problem with you voting for Trump. But if you do, don't ever call yourself a conservative again. Because the two are not compatible on any level.

 

[Synthaholic]

mccullin

He has no chance. Why did he wait until the last sec to join in.

Because he was hoping someone else would step up. No one did.

Well, I know that is what he says. I was just watching him a bit ago. It's all a waste of money IMO. I am not saying I do not like him.....I am saying it is too late for him.

It's not too late until november 9th

No, Kat's right. It's too late. But he does serve a purpose as a vessel for ACTUAL conservatives to register their protest vote.

 

[Boss]

He now proposes MORE infrastructure (roads and bridges) bullshit than Hillary.

Why is that bullshit?

It creates thousands, if not millions, of jobs. Jobs create income taxes. Income taxes help reduce the debt. Jobs reduce welfare dependency. Jobs create family wealth, which propels spending on consumer goods, which create more jobs in the service industry, and demand for manufacturing, which...wait for it.........creates more jobs.

Are you sure you're a conservative?

It creates ZERO jobs as Obama sheepishly admitted after we forked over $800 billion in 2009 to do exactly this same thing. Are you sure you're not a Socialist?

 

[Boss]

You aren't a conservative, or there is no way you could risk her nominating a supreme court judge. Thanks for the fake story tho.

Well, I am a conservative and I hope that she doesn't get to pick SCOTUS justices but I don't know that Trump's justices would be any better. It doesn't really matter what I think at this point, Trump continues to tank on his own. I know you guys have to put on the game face here and pretend that everything is fine but you know it as well as I do.