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Your naivete and gullibility are truly astonishing.At least the government representative is nominally looking out for your benefit, not his bottom line.
I said "nominally".
The corporations don't even have that.
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Your naivete and gullibility are truly astonishing.At least the government representative is nominally looking out for your benefit, not his bottom line.
You must've been asleep for the eight years of the last administration.I find it un-fucking-believable that not only do right-wingers want to say "NO" to everything, but they even try to demonize people who are simply trying to compromise.
I have never seen such blatant obstructionism of governemnt.
ok....if i owned a private insurance company....and if the public option existed.....i would continue to cherry pick my clients and serve those that paid the most and got sick the least.....the government would then be forced to insure the the high risk group and the tax payer would have to subsidize the cost as the high risk crowd would end up costing them more and would not be able to pay the high premiums to cover their care.....
Oh, please!You must've been asleep for the eight years of the last administration.I find it un-fucking-believable that not only do right-wingers want to say "NO" to everything, but they even try to demonize people who are simply trying to compromise.
I have never seen such blatant obstructionism of governemnt.
This is taken up a notch even from the last administration.
No matter what the Democrats suggest, Right-Wingers simply scream "No".
If the Democrats found a way to make the national debt dissappear without raising taxes, Republicans would be against it, just because it was proposed by Democrats.
Hell they could suggest a proposal to honor Ronald Reagan and you people would find fault with it.
oh...they'll respond. the wingnuts will call her a RINO cause she's not a loon.
She is a loon and she is also a liberal democrat dressed in Republican clothes,
"Why should we put a plan out? Our plan is to stop him. He must be stopped."But see, here's the point:
The Republicans actually got legislation passed when they were in power, because when it came down to it, the Democrats did eventually compromise.
Now, the Republicans say "No" even before they hear the proposals. They refuse to even try to negotiate, but instead state that they won't sign on to anything that's not their proposal.
Private insurers will not be able to "control costs" any more than they can now. And if they can't now, or can only minimally, how much will they be able to when they are forced to take people with pre-existing conditions and charge everyone the same rate?It is exactly caving to the Democrats. A public option is being created. Whether it comes into existence by direct gov't action now or later is immaterial. Does anyone really think Congress is going to spend time on something they don't anticipate ever seeing in practice?
So you are telling us that even you cannot see the private insurers having the ability to somewhat control rising healthcare costs. Interesting.
Indeed, Rabbi, making this statement makes it seem as if you have no belief at all that insurance companies can adhere to even a basic level of control.
It seems to me that we should be worried, that even people who side with the insurance companies are convinced that premiums will soon be spiraling out of control.
"Why should we put a plan out? Our plan is to stop him. He must be stopped."But see, here's the point:
The Republicans actually got legislation passed when they were in power, because when it came down to it, the Democrats did eventually compromise.
Now, the Republicans say "No" even before they hear the proposals. They refuse to even try to negotiate, but instead state that they won't sign on to anything that's not their proposal.
~~Nancy Pelosi
Nancy Pelosi Quotes
Yes, yes, yes.....
Anyone and everyone who caves in to the leftist moonbats is a "good" republican.
Of course, any democratic who plays ball with the republicans is persona non grata. See: Joe Lieberman.
Yes, yes, yes.....
Anyone and everyone who caves in to the leftist moonbats is a "good" republican.
Of course, any democratic who plays ball with the republicans is persona non grata. See: Joe Lieberman.
are you suggesting that democrats in connecticut do not have the right to choose who runs for the US Senate from their party?
Private insurers will not be able to "control costs" any more than they can now.
And if they can't now, or can only minimally, how much will they be able to when they are forced to take people with pre-existing conditions and charge everyone the same rate?
This bill stacks the deck against middle class people who have insurance now. Anyone who is young will get insured IF the premiums will be less than the penalty. But they don't typically use health insurance.
People without health insurance probably can't get it now because of high risk. They will represent an overall net loss to insurers.
People will pay the penalty (i.e. tax) until they get sick. Then they will sign up for coverage and the companies cannot refuse them. This was the experience in MA.
The whole thing is so fucking stupid unbelievable that anyone would believe the cost estimates or the program itself I cannot imagine. The very worst part of this stinking turkey is that it wont go into effect until AFTER the 2012 election. So the public will have no idea they've been snookered until after Obama gets re-elected.
"Why should we put a plan out? Our plan is to stop him. He must be stopped."
~~Nancy Pelosi
Nancy Pelosi Quotes
I find it un-fucking-believable that not only do right-wingers want to say "NO" to everything, but they even try to demonize people who are simply trying to compromise.
I have never seen such blatant obstructionism of governemnt.
At least Logical4U brought up a valid point instead of just dismissing the woman's proposal:
This sounds great, who decides if the private insurers are "meeting" their promises? It is wide open for abuse.
I agree. There would need to be some sort of independent oversight to determine this.
As far as this is concerned though:
That is the whole problem with this bill. It gives the gov power over the medical industry.
It offers no protections for patients or citizens (basically, theoretically, your body belongs to the USA gov once this bill is passed, if you are unable, or possibly if you are, a gov representative will be making the decisions for your health care).
This bill takes our gov from being a representative to a subjugative form of gov.
What would be worse about a government representative making decisions about your health care, than a representative of a private company that specifically wants to make as much of a profit as possible?
At least the government representative is nominally looking out for your benefit, not his bottom line.
Be that as it may, having a Public Option would not be a government takeover of health care, whether it was enacted or not.