"I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say

[Ravi]

Here it is in context. Yes I find it very unusual or bizarre behavior. From Jillian's Link.

Upon their son's death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen's parents' home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.

"That's my little guy," Santorum says, pointing to the photo of Gabriel, in which his tiny physique is framed by his father's hand. The senator often speaks of his late son in the present tense. It is a rare instance in which he talks softly.

He and Karen brought Gabriel's body home so their children could "absorb and understand that they had a brother," Santorum says. "We wanted them to see that he was real," not an abstraction, he says. Not a "fetus," either, as Rick and Karen were appalled to see him described -- "a 20-week-old fetus" -- on a hospital form. They changed the form to read "20-week-old baby."

Karen Santorum, a former nurse, wrote letters to her son during and after her pregnancy. She compiled them into a book, "Letters to Gabriel," a collection of prayers, Bible passages and a chronicle of the prenatal complications that led to Gabriel's premature delivery. At one point, her doctor raised the prospect of an abortion, an "option" Karen ridicules. "Letters to Gabriel" also derides "pro-abortion activists" and decries the "infanticide" of "partial-birth abortion," the legality of which Rick Santorum was then debating in the Senate. The book reads, in places, like a call to action.

"When the partial-birth abortion vote comes to the floor of the U.S. Senate for the third time," Karen writes to Gabriel, "your daddy needs to proclaim God's message for life with even more strength and devotion to the cause."

The issue came up again the following spring. Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican, appeared on the Senate floor with oversize illustrations of fetuses in various stages of delivery. He described the process by which a physician "brutally kills" a child "by thrusting a pair of scissors into the back of its skull and suctioning its brains out." He asked that a 5-year-old girl be admitted to the visitors' gallery, though Senate rules forbid children under 6. "She is very interested in the subject," Santorum said, explaining that the girl's mother had been a candidate for a late-term abortion when doctors advised her during her pregnancy that the child was unlikely to survive.

Father First, Senator Second (washingtonpost.com)

that's beyond revolting...it's batshit crazy.

 

[xotoxi]

Here it is in context. Yes I find it very unusual or bizarre behavior. From Jillian's Link.

Upon their son's death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen's parents' home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.

"That's my little guy," Santorum says, pointing to the photo of Gabriel, in which his tiny physique is framed by his father's hand. The senator often speaks of his late son in the present tense. It is a rare instance in which he talks softly.

He and Karen brought Gabriel's body home so their children could "absorb and understand that they had a brother," Santorum says. "We wanted them to see that he was real," not an abstraction, he says. Not a "fetus," either, as Rick and Karen were appalled to see him described -- "a 20-week-old fetus" -- on a hospital form. They changed the form to read "20-week-old baby."

Karen Santorum, a former nurse, wrote letters to her son during and after her pregnancy. She compiled them into a book, "Letters to Gabriel," a collection of prayers, Bible passages and a chronicle of the prenatal complications that led to Gabriel's premature delivery. At one point, her doctor raised the prospect of an abortion, an "option" Karen ridicules. "Letters to Gabriel" also derides "pro-abortion activists" and decries the "infanticide" of "partial-birth abortion," the legality of which Rick Santorum was then debating in the Senate. The book reads, in places, like a call to action.

"When the partial-birth abortion vote comes to the floor of the U.S. Senate for the third time," Karen writes to Gabriel, "your daddy needs to proclaim God's message for life with even more strength and devotion to the cause."

The issue came up again the following spring. Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican, appeared on the Senate floor with oversize illustrations of fetuses in various stages of delivery. He described the process by which a physician "brutally kills" a child "by thrusting a pair of scissors into the back of its skull and suctioning its brains out." He asked that a 5-year-old girl be admitted to the visitors' gallery, though Senate rules forbid children under 6. "She is very interested in the subject," Santorum said, explaining that the girl's mother had been a candidate for a late-term abortion when doctors advised her during her pregnancy that the child was unlikely to survive.

Father First, Senator Second (washingtonpost.com)

He brought home a 20-week old conceptus?

I find that remarkably odd for a man and his white wife to do.

 

[Ravi]

Here it is in context. Yes I find it very unusual or bizarre behavior. From Jillian's Link.

Upon their son's death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen's parents' home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.

"That's my little guy," Santorum says, pointing to the photo of Gabriel, in which his tiny physique is framed by his father's hand. The senator often speaks of his late son in the present tense. It is a rare instance in which he talks softly.

He and Karen brought Gabriel's body home so their children could "absorb and understand that they had a brother," Santorum says. "We wanted them to see that he was real," not an abstraction, he says. Not a "fetus," either, as Rick and Karen were appalled to see him described -- "a 20-week-old fetus" -- on a hospital form. They changed the form to read "20-week-old baby."

Karen Santorum, a former nurse, wrote letters to her son during and after her pregnancy. She compiled them into a book, "Letters to Gabriel," a collection of prayers, Bible passages and a chronicle of the prenatal complications that led to Gabriel's premature delivery. At one point, her doctor raised the prospect of an abortion, an "option" Karen ridicules. "Letters to Gabriel" also derides "pro-abortion activists" and decries the "infanticide" of "partial-birth abortion," the legality of which Rick Santorum was then debating in the Senate. The book reads, in places, like a call to action.

"When the partial-birth abortion vote comes to the floor of the U.S. Senate for the third time," Karen writes to Gabriel, "your daddy needs to proclaim God's message for life with even more strength and devotion to the cause."

The issue came up again the following spring. Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican, appeared on the Senate floor with oversize illustrations of fetuses in various stages of delivery. He described the process by which a physician "brutally kills" a child "by thrusting a pair of scissors into the back of its skull and suctioning its brains out." He asked that a 5-year-old girl be admitted to the visitors' gallery, though Senate rules forbid children under 6. "She is very interested in the subject," Santorum said, explaining that the girl's mother had been a candidate for a late-term abortion when doctors advised her during her pregnancy that the child was unlikely to survive.

Father First, Senator Second (washingtonpost.com)

He brought home a 20-week old conceptus?

I find that remarkably odd for a man and his white wife to do.

Why, because white men can't judge when something is dead or alive?

 

[xotoxi]

Here it is in context. Yes I find it very unusual or bizarre behavior. From Jillian's Link.

Upon their son's death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen's parents' home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.

"That's my little guy," Santorum says, pointing to the photo of Gabriel, in which his tiny physique is framed by his father's hand. The senator often speaks of his late son in the present tense. It is a rare instance in which he talks softly.

He and Karen brought Gabriel's body home so their children could "absorb and understand that they had a brother," Santorum says. "We wanted them to see that he was real," not an abstraction, he says. Not a "fetus," either, as Rick and Karen were appalled to see him described -- "a 20-week-old fetus" -- on a hospital form. They changed the form to read "20-week-old baby."

Karen Santorum, a former nurse, wrote letters to her son during and after her pregnancy. She compiled them into a book, "Letters to Gabriel," a collection of prayers, Bible passages and a chronicle of the prenatal complications that led to Gabriel's premature delivery. At one point, her doctor raised the prospect of an abortion, an "option" Karen ridicules. "Letters to Gabriel" also derides "pro-abortion activists" and decries the "infanticide" of "partial-birth abortion," the legality of which Rick Santorum was then debating in the Senate. The book reads, in places, like a call to action.

"When the partial-birth abortion vote comes to the floor of the U.S. Senate for the third time," Karen writes to Gabriel, "your daddy needs to proclaim God's message for life with even more strength and devotion to the cause."

The issue came up again the following spring. Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican, appeared on the Senate floor with oversize illustrations of fetuses in various stages of delivery. He described the process by which a physician "brutally kills" a child "by thrusting a pair of scissors into the back of its skull and suctioning its brains out." He asked that a 5-year-old girl be admitted to the visitors' gallery, though Senate rules forbid children under 6. "She is very interested in the subject," Santorum said, explaining that the girl's mother had been a candidate for a late-term abortion when doctors advised her during her pregnancy that the child was unlikely to survive.

Father First, Senator Second (washingtonpost.com)

He brought home a 20-week old conceptus?

I find that remarkably odd for a man and his white wife to do.

Why, because white men can't judge when something is dead or alive?

That is racist and sexist!!!

 

[Ozmar]

He's talking about history.

For hundreds of years the life of black people was of little or no concern to the rest of America.

And now we have little or no concern for the life growing inside of a woman.

In the interest of equality, is a black man not allowed to have opinions on things just as his white counterparts do? I fail to see the relevance here.

He's talking about history.

For hundreds of years the life of black people was of little or no concern to the rest of America.

And now we have little or no concern for the life growing inside of a woman.

That was my understanding of his remark too. How exactly is referencing an historic wrong to illustrate his view on abortion racist?

If he felt it was an historic wrong, he could have made an entirely different speech addressing his undying concern for historical wrongs against blacks. The fact is that this was a red herring. It is completely irrelevant what someone's skin color is when discussing that person's opinions on abortion.

This constant need to label anyone we disagree with as racist is ridiculous... and, more importantly, it makes it much harder to expose REAL ACTUAL racism.

I don't know if Santorum is racist, but I do know that what he said in this context was a cheap shot. Santorum would not have made such a cheap shot if Obama were 100% white. And since skin color has absolutely nothing to do with the abortion debate, it is definitely racialist, if not a racist remark.

 

[Ravi]

He brought home a 20-week old conceptus?

I find that remarkably odd for a man and his white wife to do.

Why, because white men can't judge when something is dead or alive?

That is racist and sexist!!!

Did you know that Santorum's wife is the author of a book about etiquette for children?

I wonder if she has a chapter, How to Care for Your Dead Baby Brother...or What to Serve to a Dead Baby and Should He be Placed in a High Chair at the Table?

 

[Ozmar]

Why, because white men can't judge when something is dead or alive?

That is racist and sexist!!!

Did you know that Santorum's wife is the author of a book about etiquette for children?

I wonder if she has a chapter, How to Care for Your Dead Baby Brother...or What to Serve to a Dead Baby and Should He be Placed in a High Chair at the Table?

I wonder if she has a chapter, "If you are dark skinned, the definition of human is as elusive for you as it is for an unborn fetus?" I bet the kiddies would just eat that chapter up for its relevance in the abortion debate.

 

[Ravi]

He's talking about history.

For hundreds of years the life of black people was of little or no concern to the rest of America.

And now we have little or no concern for the life growing inside of a woman.

In the interest of equality, is a black man not allowed to have opinions on things just as his white counterparts do? I fail to see the relevance here.

That was my understanding of his remark too. How exactly is referencing an historic wrong to illustrate his view on abortion racist?

If he felt it was an historic wrong, he could have made an entirely different speech addressing his undying concern for historical wrongs against blacks. The fact is that this was a red herring. It is completely irrelevant what someone's skin color is when discussing that person's opinions on abortion.

This constant need to label anyone we disagree with as racist is ridiculous... and, more importantly, it makes it much harder to expose REAL ACTUAL racism.

I don't know if Santorum is racist, but I do know that what he said in this context was a cheap shot. Santorum would not have made such a cheap shot if Obama were 100% white. And since skin color has absolutely nothing to do with the abortion debate, it is definitely racialist, if not a racist remark.

Wait, are you trying to say if Santorum said, "I find it almost remarkable for a white man to say, 'We're going to decide who are people and who are not people,'" it would be equally idiotic?

 

[Ozmar]

He's talking about history.

For hundreds of years the life of black people was of little or no concern to the rest of America.

And now we have little or no concern for the life growing inside of a woman.

In the interest of equality, is a black man not allowed to have opinions on things just as his white counterparts do? I fail to see the relevance here.

If he felt it was an historic wrong, he could have made an entirely different speech addressing his undying concern for historical wrongs against blacks. The fact is that this was a red herring. It is completely irrelevant what someone's skin color is when discussing that person's opinions on abortion.

This constant need to label anyone we disagree with as racist is ridiculous... and, more importantly, it makes it much harder to expose REAL ACTUAL racism.

I don't know if Santorum is racist, but I do know that what he said in this context was a cheap shot. Santorum would not have made such a cheap shot if Obama were 100% white. And since skin color has absolutely nothing to do with the abortion debate, it is definitely racialist, if not a racist remark.

Wait, are you trying to say if Santorum said, "I find it almost remarkable for a white man to say, 'We're going to decide who are people and who are not people,'" it would be equally idiotic?

I think I've stated what I wanted to state.

But yes, that statement would be equally idiotic in its irrelevance.

 

[Ravi]

Sigh...you missed my point, I was agreeing with you.

Interesting though, that the right pretends race doesn't matter, but Santorum's comment and the ones that defended him tell a different story.

 

[Ozmar]

Sigh...you missed my point, I was agreeing with you.

Interesting though, that the right pretends race doesn't matter, but Santorum's comment and the ones that defended him tell a different story.

I got your point. I'm just writhing in discomfort because I ran out of medication and am waiting for it to arrive in the mail.

 

[Political Junky]

Santorum invokes Obama’s race in abortion debate - Yahoo! News


The Republican ex-senator, who is exploring a possible 2012 presidential bid, made the comments interview with CNSNews.com's Terry Jeffrey.
"The question is -- and this is what Barack Obama didn't want to answer: Is that human life a person under the Constitution? And Barack Obama says no," Santorum says in the interview, which was first picked up by CBN's David Brody. "Well if that person, human life is not a person, then, I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say, 'We are going to decide who are people and who are not people.'"
You can watch the full interview below:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUSUGIfggTI&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

 

[Modbert]

Threads merged.

 

[Sallow]

That's bullshit. I challenge you to prove your claim.

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was easy.

Slavery proves that blacks were a great concern, which fucks up his argument.

You liberal pukes are truly stupid.

So now the act of turning a person into property shows great concern for their lives..

I don't really like Texas one bit..but hopefully all Texans aren't this hopelessly and willfully stupid.

 

[High_Gravity]

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was easy.

Slavery proves that blacks were a great concern, which fucks up his argument.

You liberal pukes are truly stupid.

So now the act of turning a person into property shows great concern for their lives..

I don't really like Texas one bit..but hopefully all Texans aren't this hopelessly and willfully stupid.

The "concern" Americans had for black people back than was similar to the concern a farmer has for his tractor or his mule, Lonestar Logic is too slow to grasp that.

 

[bodecea]

He's Rick Santorum. What did you expect?

True...the guy who bragged about bringing his wife's fetus home from the hospital when she had a miscarriage for the family to "meet".

 

[bodecea]

That's bullshit. I challenge you to prove your claim.

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That was easy.

Slavery proves that blacks were a great concern, which fucks up his argument.

You liberal pukes are truly stupid.

Notice the sum total of Lonestar_Logic's argument. That's pretty much what he does....squawk about anyone he disagrees with being stupid. It makes him feel better about himself, I suppose.

 

[manifold]

I'm pretty sure Santorum misspoke.

What he meant to say was: I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say complete and grammatically correct sentences.

 

[bodecea]

He's talking about history.

For hundreds of years the life of black people was of little or no concern to the rest of America.
And now we have little or no concern for the life growing inside of a woman.

That's bullshit. I challenge you to prove your claim.

Sure thing

Go to your public library, go into the American history section and pull out the book labled "slavery".

When you get done reading that, find you high school American history teacher and beat the snot outta them for not educating you properly.

Ah, that will be effective, won't it?

 

[High_Gravity]

That's bullshit. I challenge you to prove your claim.

Sure thing

Go to your public library, go into the American history section and pull out the book labled "slavery".

When you get done reading that, find you high school American history teacher and beat the snot outta them for not educating you properly.

Ah, that will be effective, won't it?

Actually yes it would.