How The Conservative Obsession With Policing Poor People’s Shopping Carts Got Started

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How The Conservative Obsession With Policing Poor People’s Shopping Carts Got Started
The first time a state government tried to bar food stamps recipients from buying certain types of food it deemed “junk,” the War on Terror hadn’t yet reached Iraq and Facebook hadn’t been invented yet. More than a dozen years later, so-called “junk food bans” remain en vogue with conservative lawmakers who have not heeded the lessons of that first failed attempt.

At the outset of 2003, then-Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) kicked off his first term by proposing “the next generation” of welfare reform in Minnesota. Amid a laundry list of other changes, Pawlenty wanted to ban Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits from buying junk food. States cannot take such a step unless they are granted a waiver from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), and no state had ever applied for one for the purpose Pawlenty had ginned up.

Legislators and agency heads deliberated for a year on how to define “junk food” before opting to base the rule on Minnesota’s sales tax law, which taxes certain foodstuffs deemed unhealthy while exempting the rest. The delineation is messy and contradictory, as the Associated Press detailed in 2003. “The state, for example, taxes Hershey’s bars but not Kit Kat bars – because anything made with flour isn’t considered a candy. It taxes coffee drinks that are sweetened but not those that contain milk. It taxes gum but not licorice. It taxes marshmallows but not ice cream bars.”

Despite these foibles, Pawlenty’s idea has enjoyed significant popularity elsewhere in the years since. Maine lawmakers debated banning soda from being bought with SNAP in 2009, though the legislation went nowhere. In 2010, then-Mayor Mike Bloomberg (I) requested a similar waiver for New York City, and was denied. Junk food bans passed a committee vote in Texas in 2011 but died on the floor. Iowa and California lawmakers introduced similar rules that year. Bans were introduced in eight separate states in 2012, with Florida defeating a proposal that had cleared the committee stage and Mississippi deciding at the last minute to revoke its waiver request. Maine, Wisconsin, Texas, South Carolina, and Delaware all toyed with the idea in 2013 and 2014.

And this spring, the bans are on the march again in Wisconsin and Maine.

The list of foods affected by Wisconsin’s new bill borrows some of the odd hypocrisy that marked Pawlenty’s inaugural attempt over a decade ago. Sharp cheese would be restricted, but plain cheddar would not. White potatoes escape the proposal untouched, but russet potatoes would be harder to get.

The law would also make it harder to buy spaghetti sauces and spices to flavor recipes, a constraint seemingly at odds with conservative rhetoric about what’s wrong with public assistance programs.

“We hear an awful lot in the post-welfare reform era about moving people to self-sufficiency,” Food Research and Action Center (FRAC) legal director Ellen Vollinger told ThinkProgress. “Telling adults they can’t make the same choices within the grocery store that others make, and then prepare the meals they want with the ingredients they want, doesn’t seem at all consistent with the argument that these changes move people to self-sufficiency. I always thought that was a little strange.”

The USDA ultimately rejected Pawlenty’s request for a junk food ban in 2004. Officials noted the contradictory treatment of different brands of candy bars and warned of “confusion and embarrassment” at checkout counters. They worried that making retailers responsible for policing shopping carts would upset what Vollinger called “the wise decision to use the regular rails of commerce [for food assistance] as opposed to the government setting up its own food warehouses for low-income people.”

But most of all, the administrators argued that even a perfectly-designed ban would fix a non-existent problem. “mplementation of this smart shoppers” whose nutrition intake varies little from that of higher-income people.

In 2015, the poor are still smart shoppers. The USDA published research in early May comparing the food consumption patterns of SNAP recipients to both wealthier people and low-income families not receiving SNAP. The findings undermine the common conservative notion that the poor splurge on luxuries and empty calories.

Just 3 percent of SNAP recipients eat shellfish – banned outright from SNAP spending in the Wisconsin measure – compared to 4.4 percent of non-SNAP families poor enough to be eligible for the program and 3.9 percent of higher-income families. The participating families were roughly as likely to consume proteins as the non-participating families, while relying much more heavily on chicken, pork, bacon, eggs, and beans. About 74 percent of SNAP families consume sweets and desserts, compared to about 80 percent of wealthier families. These differences often play out amid stark and persistent contrasts between how the store shelves are stocked in low-income neighborhoods and affluent ones.

Both conservative proponents of the bans and the public health advocates who back them often focus on soda consumption. The USDA did find that food stamps recipients are more prone to soda-drinking than others – 55.8 percent of SNAP recipients surveyed had consumed soda in the past day, compared to 50.3 percent of the overall population – but those overall numbers do not account for demographic differences. When the data is adjusted for factors like ethnicity, gender, household composition, and education level, the differences in soda consumption melt away. The USDA has previously concluded that “SNAP participants are no more likely to consume [sugar-sweetened beverages] than lower income nonparticipants” in the same demographic group. And the rate of soda consumption among poor families wouldn’t necessarily change if lawmakers create an extra humiliation at the cash register when a poor family wants root beer.

“It isn’t the case that SNAP clients are less interested in good nutrition than anybody else,” Vollinger said. “They’re very interested in it. They just can’t afford it.”

The USDA strongly prefers to help SNAP users afford healthier food rather than punish them for failing to do so. When the agency rejected Bloomberg’s 2011 request for a waiver to ban soda, Secretary Tom Vilsack invoked the USDA’s “longstanding tradition of supporting and promoting incentive-based solutions that are better-suited for the working families, elderly and other low-income individuals” who rely on SNAP. It was the second time the agency had rebuffed the junk food ban idea. If either Wisconsin or Maine ultimately file for a waiver, it will be just the fourth time the USDA has gotten such a request.

At the same time that it rejects nanny-state ideas about food stamp diets, the USDA makes various efforts to help food stamps recipients eat healthier. A years-old program called SNAP-Ed funds classroom education for SNAP recipients on nutrition and shopping tricks, though federal funding cuts in recent years have seriously curtailed its budget.

The agency’s more recent attempts to incentivize healthy shopping and eating in SNAP are more aggressive than education. Food stamps recipients can swipe their EBT cards at farmers’ markets and get twice as much to spend in market-only voucher tokens, thanks to a $100 million program tucked into the 2014 Farm Bill. (Mississippi rescinded its request for a junk food ban waiver because it decided “to focus on improving SNAP participants’ access to farmers’ markets” instead, a USDA official told ThinkProgress.)
 
Funny how the Cons, are trying to stop poor folks from drinking a soda pop, or wanna drug test poor folks who can't even afford to eat, but Love handing out corporate welfare with massive tax cuts, like at GM and or Boeing, and handing out tax credits to assholes like Mitt Romney..

What's even blows your mind even more is the South, the poorest most destitute part of the country, take Mississippi for example they don't have 2 cents to rub together, and most lack health insurance, because their Govs, DIDN'T expand Medicaid, they would starve without food stamps, but yet keep voting for the same Assholes that wanna take food out of their pie-holes literally, and a lot of them are the Tea Maggots who hate Government but love getting that check at the 1st of the month..

The South has been Voting for the Repukes for 40 years now since Carter and they are still poor as dirt, and most are stuck in low wage shit jobs, because of that right to work BS..:wtf:

Funny how you think about it, it's now whitey who is stuck in Slavery down in the Cesspool South..
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
No, this is hilarious, when food insecurity affects tens of millions, republicans care more about making sure a dad doesn't buy a soda pop for his son.
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
No, this is hilarious, when food insecurity affects tens of millions, republicans care more about making sure a dad doesn't buy a soda pop for his son.
"Food insecurity"? It's the freaking democrat mayor of New York who passed a law restricting the intake of "big gulp soda" not republicans.
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
No, this is hilarious, when food insecurity affects tens of millions, republicans care more about making sure a dad doesn't buy a soda pop for his son.
"Food insecurity"? It's the freaking democrat mayor of New York who passed a law restricting the intake of "big gulp soda" not republicans.
"Under the plan, all restaurants, fast-food establishments, delis, movie theaters, sports stadiums and food carts would be barred from selling sugar-sweetened drinks in cups larger than 16 ounces (0.5 liters). The regulation would not apply to drinks sold in grocery stores including 7-Eleven, which are regulated by the state.[5] In addition, the regulation would exclude: drinks that were more than 70 percent fruit juice, diet sodas, and alcoholic beverages.[6]"
Not specifically targeted at those on food stamps.
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
No, this is hilarious, when food insecurity affects tens of millions, republicans care more about making sure a dad doesn't buy a soda pop for his son.
"Food insecurity"? It's the freaking democrat mayor of New York who passed a law restricting the intake of "big gulp soda" not republicans.
"Under the plan, all restaurants, fast-food establishments, delis, movie theaters, sports stadiums and food carts would be barred from selling sugar-sweetened drinks in cups larger than 16 ounces (0.5 liters). The regulation would not apply to drinks sold in grocery stores including 7-Eleven, which are regulated by the state.[5] In addition, the regulation would exclude: drinks that were more than 70 percent fruit juice, diet sodas, and alcoholic beverages.[6]"
Not specifically targeted at those on food stamps.
Oh I see, if the food nazis restrict the intake of sugar based beverages it's fine as long as food stamp recipeints aren't specifically targeted. The issue is bogus.
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
No, this is hilarious, when food insecurity affects tens of millions, republicans care more about making sure a dad doesn't buy a soda pop for his son.
"Food insecurity"? It's the freaking democrat mayor of New York who passed a law restricting the intake of "big gulp soda" not republicans.
"Under the plan, all restaurants, fast-food establishments, delis, movie theaters, sports stadiums and food carts would be barred from selling sugar-sweetened drinks in cups larger than 16 ounces (0.5 liters). The regulation would not apply to drinks sold in grocery stores including 7-Eleven, which are regulated by the state.[5] In addition, the regulation would exclude: drinks that were more than 70 percent fruit juice, diet sodas, and alcoholic beverages.[6]"
Not specifically targeted at those on food stamps.
Oh I see, if the food nazis restrict the intake of sugar based beverages it's fine as long as food stamp recipeints aren't specifically targeted. The issue is bogus.
Err, it is a big deal, they are allowed to buy soda after all, it's simply a reasonable regulation. The right wing proposals are specifically made to demonize the poor.
 
Also if they are drug testing the poor at random, how come folks that work in Congress and Government, don't get random drug tests??

Isn't drug testing the poor, PORK AND BIG GOVERNMENT, guess the Gopers only love BIG GUBMINT when it suits their purpose??

Why do poor folks keep getting picked on?? like they don't have enough problems in their lives already?
 
Funny how the Cons, are trying to stop poor folks from drinking a soda pop, or wanna drug test poor folks who can't even afford to eat, but Love handing out corporate welfare with massive tax cuts, like at GM and or Boeing, and handing out tax credits to assholes like Mitt Romney..

What's even blows your mind even more is the South, the poorest most destitute part of the country, take Mississippi for example they don't have 2 cents to rub together, and most lack health insurance, because their Govs, DIDN'T expand Medicaid, they would starve without food stamps, but yet keep voting for the same Assholes that wanna take food out of their pie-holes literally, and a lot of them are the Tea Maggots who hate Government but love getting that check at the 1st of the month..

The South has been Voting for the Repukes for 40 years now since Carter and they are still poor as dirt, and most are stuck in low wage shit jobs, because of that right to work BS..:wtf:

Funny how you think about it, it's now whitey who is stuck in Slavery down in the Cesspool South..
A most lovely post devoid of supportive links. :slap:

BTW- no one in this country lacks health insurance. Not since the enactment of the ACA.
 
Conservatives have the most hilarious priorities..
How The Conservative Obsession With Policing Poor People’s Shopping Carts Got Started
The first time a state government tried to bar food stamps recipients from buying certain types of food it deemed “junk,” the War on Terror hadn’t yet reached Iraq and Facebook hadn’t been invented yet. More than a dozen years later, so-called “junk food bans” remain en vogue with conservative lawmakers who have not heeded the lessons of that first failed attempt.

At the outset of 2003, then-Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) kicked off his first term by proposing “the next generation” of welfare reform in Minnesota. Amid a laundry list of other changes, Pawlenty wanted to ban Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits from buying junk food. States cannot take such a step unless they are granted a waiver from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), and no state had ever applied for one for the purpose Pawlenty had ginned up.

Legislators and agency heads deliberated for a year on how to define “junk food” before opting to base the rule on Minnesota’s sales tax law, which taxes certain foodstuffs deemed unhealthy while exempting the rest. The delineation is messy and contradictory, as the Associated Press detailed in 2003. “The state, for example, taxes Hershey’s bars but not Kit Kat bars – because anything made with flour isn’t considered a candy. It taxes coffee drinks that are sweetened but not those that contain milk. It taxes gum but not licorice. It taxes marshmallows but not ice cream bars.”

Despite these foibles, Pawlenty’s idea has enjoyed significant popularity elsewhere in the years since. Maine lawmakers debated banning soda from being bought with SNAP in 2009, though the legislation went nowhere. In 2010, then-Mayor Mike Bloomberg (I) requested a similar waiver for New York City, and was denied. Junk food bans passed a committee vote in Texas in 2011 but died on the floor. Iowa and California lawmakers introduced similar rules that year. Bans were introduced in eight separate states in 2012, with Florida defeating a proposal that had cleared the committee stage and Mississippi deciding at the last minute to revoke its waiver request. Maine, Wisconsin, Texas, South Carolina, and Delaware all toyed with the idea in 2013 and 2014.

And this spring, the bans are on the march again in Wisconsin and Maine.

The list of foods affected by Wisconsin’s new bill borrows some of the odd hypocrisy that marked Pawlenty’s inaugural attempt over a decade ago. Sharp cheese would be restricted, but plain cheddar would not. White potatoes escape the proposal untouched, but russet potatoes would be harder to get.

The law would also make it harder to buy spaghetti sauces and spices to flavor recipes, a constraint seemingly at odds with conservative rhetoric about what’s wrong with public assistance programs.

“We hear an awful lot in the post-welfare reform era about moving people to self-sufficiency,” Food Research and Action Center (FRAC) legal director Ellen Vollinger told ThinkProgress. “Telling adults they can’t make the same choices within the grocery store that others make, and then prepare the meals they want with the ingredients they want, doesn’t seem at all consistent with the argument that these changes move people to self-sufficiency. I always thought that was a little strange.”

The USDA ultimately rejected Pawlenty’s request for a junk food ban in 2004. Officials noted the contradictory treatment of different brands of candy bars and warned of “confusion and embarrassment” at checkout counters. They worried that making retailers responsible for policing shopping carts would upset what Vollinger called “the wise decision to use the regular rails of commerce [for food assistance] as opposed to the government setting up its own food warehouses for low-income people.”

But most of all, the administrators argued that even a perfectly-designed ban would fix a non-existent problem. “mplementation of this smart shoppers” whose nutrition intake varies little from that of higher-income people.

In 2015, the poor are still smart shoppers. The USDA published research in early May comparing the food consumption patterns of SNAP recipients to both wealthier people and low-income families not receiving SNAP. The findings undermine the common conservative notion that the poor splurge on luxuries and empty calories.

Just 3 percent of SNAP recipients eat shellfish – banned outright from SNAP spending in the Wisconsin measure – compared to 4.4 percent of non-SNAP families poor enough to be eligible for the program and 3.9 percent of higher-income families. The participating families were roughly as likely to consume proteins as the non-participating families, while relying much more heavily on chicken, pork, bacon, eggs, and beans. About 74 percent of SNAP families consume sweets and desserts, compared to about 80 percent of wealthier families. These differences often play out amid stark and persistent contrasts between how the store shelves are stocked in low-income neighborhoods and affluent ones.

Both conservative proponents of the bans and the public health advocates who back them often focus on soda consumption. The USDA did find that food stamps recipients are more prone to soda-drinking than others – 55.8 percent of SNAP recipients surveyed had consumed soda in the past day, compared to 50.3 percent of the overall population – but those overall numbers do not account for demographic differences. When the data is adjusted for factors like ethnicity, gender, household composition, and education level, the differences in soda consumption melt away. The USDA has previously concluded that “SNAP participants are no more likely to consume [sugar-sweetened beverages] than lower income nonparticipants” in the same demographic group. And the rate of soda consumption among poor families wouldn’t necessarily change if lawmakers create an extra humiliation at the cash register when a poor family wants root beer.

“It isn’t the case that SNAP clients are less interested in good nutrition than anybody else,” Vollinger said. “They’re very interested in it. They just can’t afford it.”

The USDA strongly prefers to help SNAP users afford healthier food rather than punish them for failing to do so. When the agency rejected Bloomberg’s 2011 request for a waiver to ban soda, Secretary Tom Vilsack invoked the USDA’s “longstanding tradition of supporting and promoting incentive-based solutions that are better-suited for the working families, elderly and other low-income individuals” who rely on SNAP. It was the second time the agency had rebuffed the junk food ban idea. If either Wisconsin or Maine ultimately file for a waiver, it will be just the fourth time the USDA has gotten such a request.

At the same time that it rejects nanny-state ideas about food stamp diets, the USDA makes various efforts to help food stamps recipients eat healthier. A years-old program called SNAP-Ed funds classroom education for SNAP recipients on nutrition and shopping tricks, though federal funding cuts in recent years have seriously curtailed its budget.

The agency’s more recent attempts to incentivize healthy shopping and eating in SNAP are more aggressive than education. Food stamps recipients can swipe their EBT cards at farmers’ markets and get twice as much to spend in market-only voucher tokens, thanks to a $100 million program tucked into the 2014 Farm Bill. (Mississippi rescinded its request for a junk food ban waiver because it decided “to focus on improving SNAP participants’ access to farmers’ markets” instead, a USDA official told ThinkProgress.)
StinkProgress is an automatic fail, s0n.
Besides, recall it is libs talking about "food deserts" and Michelle Obama sticking her nose into kids' school lunches.
And the thread title is a lie. Conservatives arent obsessing over poor people's shopping carts. That would be libs.
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
No, this is hilarious, when food insecurity affects tens of millions, republicans care more about making sure a dad doesn't buy a soda pop for his son.
That's a very liberal issue. DiBlasio wants several laws prohibiting sales of sweet drinks. How did the transfat ban get put into place? Did big moo, that fat cow obama become a republican when she stuck her snout into school lunches?

If you want to know what democrats are up to, what do the accuse republicans of doing.
 
Why does every issue seem "hilarious" to the left? Maybe that's how they cope with reality. For most of the food stamp era, democrats were in charge and rightfully the government had the responsibility to monitor the gigantic program. Democrat sponsored idiotic programs in school lunches often turned into "hilarious" failures. If most of the taxpayer funded food stamp recipients turn out to be obese there must be something wrong with the program.
No, this is hilarious, when food insecurity affects tens of millions, republicans care more about making sure a dad doesn't buy a soda pop for his son.
"Food insecurity"? It's the freaking democrat mayor of New York who passed a law restricting the intake of "big gulp soda" not republicans.
"Under the plan, all restaurants, fast-food establishments, delis, movie theaters, sports stadiums and food carts would be barred from selling sugar-sweetened drinks in cups larger than 16 ounces (0.5 liters). The regulation would not apply to drinks sold in grocery stores including 7-Eleven, which are regulated by the state.[5] In addition, the regulation would exclude: drinks that were more than 70 percent fruit juice, diet sodas, and alcoholic beverages.[6]"
Not specifically targeted at those on food stamps.
Oh I see, if the food nazis restrict the intake of sugar based beverages it's fine as long as food stamp recipeints aren't specifically targeted. The issue is bogus.
Err, it is a big deal, they are allowed to buy soda after all, it's simply a reasonable regulation. The right wing proposals are specifically made to demonize the poor.
So let me get this straight, people that spend the money they earn should be regulate, but someone spending my money shouldn't? You are ignorant.
 
Liberals wanting little school girls and boys to piss and shit in the same bathroom is much more important than keeping an eye on what kind of trash welfare queens can blow taxpayer money on.
 

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