How Textbooks Push Children to the Left

[daveman]

That was conservatism in those times.

Bullshit, as I proved. Here, ignore this post again, you coward.

Conservatism is the basis of rational thought. No, child, you cannot make up your own logic.

What was rational about wanting to preserve the institution of slavery?

Nothing. Which is why Democrats wanted to keep it.
Democratic Party's Position on Slavery

The utterly false, abnormal, and fatal position which this nation has occupied toward men of African descent is being rapidly changed to the natural and simple one which other civilized people maintain. Nor would there be any serious difficulty in immediately establishing it except for two things—the prejudice which always prevails in a country against an enslaved race, and the party capital which in this country is made out of it.

Such a person as Vallandigham, for instance, who comes from Ohio, is in practical collusion with slavery and its effort to destroy the Government, merely because it serves his political purpose. The slaveholders for many years had worked with the Democratic party. The consequence was that, to secure the unanimous slave section, the Democratic party gradually relinquished all its fundamental principles, and became an association for the propagation and extension of slavery and the annihilation of the safeguards of liberty. The consequence of this in turn was, that as the party left its principles the best Democrats left the party, until at last the Southern leaders stood in open rebellion, and all loyal national Democrats stood against them.​

What was rational about wanting to deny women the right to vote?

Nothing. Which is why a far greater percentage of Republicans voted for the 19th Amendment than did Democrats.

Everything you know is wrong.

 

[jasonnfree]

I've met plenty of school teachers.
I've taught for a living.
I know it's easy.
I know at the end of the year that you work less than 20 hours a week, it has to be one of the easiest jobs known to man.
You don't even have to correct kids mistakes anymore!!
3x4=11 or anything for that matter!!
Everyone gets an A!
Unless the kid has conservative opinions, then they get a Ritalin!

you have never taught in a public school in your life.


our school day is 7.5 hours

in your world 7.5 x 5 = less than 20

No I've never worked in public school.
I taught 17+year olds at the infantry training center at Vimy Barracks in Catterick Garrison.

0800 till 1500 is not a 7.5 hour day.
You forgot your lunch break!!
I bet you never forget that during term time!!

Lets call it 7 just to make you happy, though I feel that is more than you work.
Over 5 days( every weekend off, jeez the suffering) is 35 hours.
35 hours a week for what? Two thirds of the year?
Three quarters?
Lets go 3/4 shall we?
That brings you to somewhere in the 27 hours a week range, correct?
I'm still dubious about your true hours, those periods during the day when you have no class, your immense time off.
Anyhow 27 hours a week is less than half the hours the average American works to pay your salary.
You should start thanking the parents of the kids you teach!!
Stop bloody whining, you have it easy!!

So you never worked in a public school but you're an expert on these issues? Please.

 

[jasonnfree]

How Textbooks Push Children to the Left

Aren't new ideas, by definition, considered "leftist?"

“Expect poison from the standing water.”
― William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

There are no new ideas from the left. All they have is old, historically-proven failed ideas.

Is social security historically-proven to have failed? You "conservatives" would have to take in the old folks like the days before FDR. How about Medicare? Try getting your government hands off the most die hard teabagger's medicare.

Now what specific things have conservatives ever given the average person that would equal S.S or Medicare? Specific things now, not generalizations.

 

[squeeze berry]

How Textbooks Push Children to the Left

Aren't new ideas, by definition, considered "leftist?"

“Expect poison from the standing water.”
― William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

There are no new ideas from the left. All they have is old, historically-proven failed ideas.

Is social security historically-proven to have failed? You "conservatives" would have to take in the old folks like the days before FDR. How about Medicare? Try getting your government hands off the most die hard teabagger's medicare.

Now what specific things have conservatives ever given the average person that would equal S.S or Medicare? Specific things now, not generalizations.

given?

both social security and medicare are earned benefits

 

[jasonnfree]

The leftist start early... Parents need to be aware of what their children are being taught




How Textbooks Push Children to the Left | FrontPage Magazine

Have you read the People's History?

Communist - LOL.

Zinn himself was a Communist.

Howard Zinn: Communist liar

Through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, we learn that multiple witnesses identified Zinn as a member of the Communist Party, USA.

Herewith are some little nuggets of information on this predator of innocent young minds:

Hate America Howie (HAH) taught a class on "Basic Marxism" at party headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., advising his "students" that the basic teachings of Marx and Lenin "were sound and should be adhered to by those present"; HAH was a pro-Castro activist and backed radical groups such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Socialist Workers Party (SWP), Progressive Labor Party, and Black Panther Party; supported a Communist victory in Vietnam, visiting the Communist regime in Hanoi (ala "Hanoi Jane" Fonda — who — BTW — paid tribute to Howie upon his departure); in 1962, while President John F. Kennedy warned the Soviets to back off or suffer the consequences, HAH — at his quisling best — publicly protested the U.S. demand for withdrawal of missiles from Cuba ("hence," according to Kincaid, "Zinn wanted the United States and its citizens to be vulnerable to a Soviet nuclear attack" — Attention, parlor pinks: Note this great nice guy humanitarian's wish for you and me was nearly 10 years after Stalin died); a video tribute to Zinn was posted by the pro-Marxist Institute for Policy Studies (IPW) (for info on that outfit, see this writer).

More of the record

The summary above hits some of the highlights of Howard Zinn's involvement with Communist and pro-Communist organizations and causes. Kincaid has done a stellar job of extracting information from the voluminous FBI file. This is by no means the full extent of his work (which we will keep on file for a re-visit)

Unlike Cliff, we have not yet plowed through all 423 pages, but we'll get there. Herewith some of what we've noted thus far: Howard Zinn was heavily involved over the years with the American Veterans Committee — noted in numerous reports as heavily Communist infiltrated, if not Communist-dominated; HAH wrote a letter to the editor of the New York Times urging that one Communist who had vacated a seat on the city council be replaced with another Communist; he was a delegate to the New York State Communist Party Convention and a member of the International Workers Order; Zinn told a man seated next to him on a train trip from Washington to New York that he attended Communist Party meetings 5 nights a week; he was involved with the Committee of One Thousand, created to raise money for the defense of 19 "unfriendly witnesses" before the House Committee on Un-American Activities' probe of Communist influence in Hollywood; and he was involved with a division of the Civil Rights Congress, which was on the Attorney General's list of subversive organizations.

Oh! — almost forgot. Howard Zinn supported Barack Obama for President. No surprise there.
​

Of course, progressive retards don't see anything wrong with being a Communist. Progressivism IS Communism.

I read the link. One of the first things it says about Zinn is that he hated america for the last 70 of his 87 years on this planet. He died in 2010, which means he hated america since around 1940, right? Zinn hated America so much he joined the military during ww2 and flew many combat missions as a bombardier. How many missions did Cliff Kincaid fly? Dave, you're on too many right wing sites. The Cliff kincaids of the world make a pretty good living off of the crap they push.

 

[jasonnfree]

There are no new ideas from the left. All they have is old, historically-proven failed ideas.

Is social security historically-proven to have failed? You "conservatives" would have to take in the old folks like the days before FDR. How about Medicare? Try getting your government hands off the most die hard teabagger's medicare.

Now what specific things have conservatives ever given the average person that would equal S.S or Medicare? Specific things now, not generalizations.

given?

both social security and medicare are earned benefits

My point being were basically called left wing proposals. repubs hated social security but there weren't too many repubs to defeat it during FDR's reign. Conservatives are quick to attack social security although it's had nothing to do with the economic mess we're in.

 

[Vox]

There are no new ideas from the left. All they have is old, historically-proven failed ideas.

Is social security historically-proven to have failed? You "conservatives" would have to take in the old folks like the days before FDR. How about Medicare? Try getting your government hands off the most die hard teabagger's medicare.

Now what specific things have conservatives ever given the average person that would equal S.S or Medicare? Specific things now, not generalizations.

given?

both social security and medicare are earned benefits

given. they are never earned in FULL, especially medicare, for the 99% of recipients it is 2/3 given, for the upper 1% it is about 50% and for those who have been on a government welfare for their whole life - all 100%.

That is the reason it is a ponzi-scheme. It was calculated for the life expectancy of 65 years and never adjusted appropriately.

 

[rdean]

It is the moral responsibility of the educational system of any civilized society to protect that society's most vulnerable,

its children,

from the threat of the bigotry, inhumanity, and general ignorance of conservatism.

That's why they call it 'education'.

No. That's why they call it 'liberalism'. Liberals seem to think we should all think alike.

I see no good reason to encourage people to be wrongheaded in their thinking just to satisfy some perverse sense of diversity.

Again, no. Conservatives promote morality and family values...father, mother, children. Knowledge of perversion and decadence does not dictate acceptance of it as is promoted by liberals.

When it's the reason that bigots victimize, ostracize, discriminate against, and otherwise abuse, it is a social issue,

and social issues have every right to a place in education. Not to mention homosexuality as a government issue...

...is government an out of bounds topic in education?

Bigotry is not always a bad thing. In its purest form, bigotry is: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Had there been no bigotry regarding Hitler's ideals, we'd all be speaking German and there would be no Jews.

Long live bigotry!

Liberals promote acceptance and appeasement of radical Islamists to the point that they are enabling the destruction of those that do not agree with the maniacal premise that all should believe in or permit the death of 'infidels'. THAT is something we should ALL be bigoted against.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Where is the liberal appeasement of radical Islam that is enabling destruction?

Republicans let Bin Laden go and stopped looking for him. Then they built a home for al Qaeda in Iraq. Now THAT'S "appeasement".

 

[daveman]

How Textbooks Push Children to the Left

Aren't new ideas, by definition, considered "leftist?"

“Expect poison from the standing water.”
― William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

There are no new ideas from the left. All they have is old, historically-proven failed ideas.

Is social security historically-proven to have failed? You "conservatives" would have to take in the old folks like the days before FDR. How about Medicare? Try getting your government hands off the most die hard teabagger's medicare.

Now what specific things have conservatives ever given the average person that would equal S.S or Medicare? Specific things now, not generalizations.

S.S. and Medicare are not sustainable.

Really, if that's all you've got to point to as progressive successes, you got nothin'.

 

[Vox]

There are no new ideas from the left. All they have is old, historically-proven failed ideas.

Is social security historically-proven to have failed? You "conservatives" would have to take in the old folks like the days before FDR. How about Medicare? Try getting your government hands off the most die hard teabagger's medicare.

Now what specific things have conservatives ever given the average person that would equal S.S or Medicare? Specific things now, not generalizations.

S.S. and Medicare are not sustainable.

Really, if that's all you've got to point to as progressive successes, you got nothin'.

SS would be sustainable if it would stay for SS only. Medicare in it's current form IS unsustainable and it is grossly unfair.

 

[daveman]

Have you read the People's History?

Communist - LOL.

Zinn himself was a Communist.

Howard Zinn: Communist liar

Through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, we learn that multiple witnesses identified Zinn as a member of the Communist Party, USA.

Herewith are some little nuggets of information on this predator of innocent young minds:

Hate America Howie (HAH) taught a class on "Basic Marxism" at party headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., advising his "students" that the basic teachings of Marx and Lenin "were sound and should be adhered to by those present"; HAH was a pro-Castro activist and backed radical groups such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Socialist Workers Party (SWP), Progressive Labor Party, and Black Panther Party; supported a Communist victory in Vietnam, visiting the Communist regime in Hanoi (ala "Hanoi Jane" Fonda — who — BTW — paid tribute to Howie upon his departure); in 1962, while President John F. Kennedy warned the Soviets to back off or suffer the consequences, HAH — at his quisling best — publicly protested the U.S. demand for withdrawal of missiles from Cuba ("hence," according to Kincaid, "Zinn wanted the United States and its citizens to be vulnerable to a Soviet nuclear attack" — Attention, parlor pinks: Note this great nice guy humanitarian's wish for you and me was nearly 10 years after Stalin died); a video tribute to Zinn was posted by the pro-Marxist Institute for Policy Studies (IPW) (for info on that outfit, see this writer).

More of the record

The summary above hits some of the highlights of Howard Zinn's involvement with Communist and pro-Communist organizations and causes. Kincaid has done a stellar job of extracting information from the voluminous FBI file. This is by no means the full extent of his work (which we will keep on file for a re-visit)

Unlike Cliff, we have not yet plowed through all 423 pages, but we'll get there. Herewith some of what we've noted thus far: Howard Zinn was heavily involved over the years with the American Veterans Committee — noted in numerous reports as heavily Communist infiltrated, if not Communist-dominated; HAH wrote a letter to the editor of the New York Times urging that one Communist who had vacated a seat on the city council be replaced with another Communist; he was a delegate to the New York State Communist Party Convention and a member of the International Workers Order; Zinn told a man seated next to him on a train trip from Washington to New York that he attended Communist Party meetings 5 nights a week; he was involved with the Committee of One Thousand, created to raise money for the defense of 19 "unfriendly witnesses" before the House Committee on Un-American Activities' probe of Communist influence in Hollywood; and he was involved with a division of the Civil Rights Congress, which was on the Attorney General's list of subversive organizations.

Oh! — almost forgot. Howard Zinn supported Barack Obama for President. No surprise there.
​

Of course, progressive retards don't see anything wrong with being a Communist. Progressivism IS Communism.

I read the link. One of the first things it says about Zinn is that he hated america for the last 70 of his 87 years on this planet. He died in 2010, which means he hated america since around 1940, right? Zinn hated America so much he joined the military during ww2 and flew many combat missions as a bombardier. How many missions did Cliff Kincaid fly? Dave, you're on too many right wing sites. The Cliff kincaids of the world make a pretty good living off of the crap they push.

Communists don't love America, jason. They want to destroy it.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

The leftist start early... Parents need to be aware of what their children are being taught

Are you surprised that leftist ideas have penetrated the minds of the people? Chalk up this reality to the leftist teachers and, especially, to the left-oriented textbooks now in use in our secondary schools. One book in particular that has been gaining traction in New York City in recent years is “The Americans.”

Although even the leftist teachers claim not to like this textbook used in U.S. history (a one-year course required in NYC for all juniors) because it is so skimpy on facts and is written in an opaque style, any informed reader would have to agree that it is one of the most politically correct textbooks one could imagine. Reading this book, one gets the message that the history of America is a theme of victimization. The list of victims is well known: Native Americans, women, labor, immigrants, blacks, farmers, urban dwellers, the mentally ill, migrant workers, unions, etc. “The Americans” is a somewhat diluted version of Howard Zinn’s openly communist college textbook, “A People’s History of the United States.”

How Textbooks Push Children to the Left | FrontPage Magazine

It's called education. Everyone who becomes educated would, of course, be liberal, because conservatism is synonymous with ignorance.

Truly educated people tend to be conservative. Those with "degrees" in Women's Studies, African-American Studies, Political Science, and other silly "disciplines" tend to be liberal.

Those with genuine liberal arts degrees (look up what the liberal arts are) and those in the sciences tend toward conservatism.

Business majors are generally too ill-educated to be taken seriously.

 

[daveman]

Is social security historically-proven to have failed? You "conservatives" would have to take in the old folks like the days before FDR. How about Medicare? Try getting your government hands off the most die hard teabagger's medicare.

Now what specific things have conservatives ever given the average person that would equal S.S or Medicare? Specific things now, not generalizations.

S.S. and Medicare are not sustainable.

Really, if that's all you've got to point to as progressive successes, you got nothin'.

SS would be sustainable if it would stay for SS only. Medicare in it's current form IS unsustainable and it is grossly unfair.

President Johnson, a good Democrat, put SS monies into the General Fund.

So you can thank the left for making SS unsustainable.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Loving science, technology, innovation, or infrastructure = being pushed to the left. lol

The day the republican party want from limiting welfare and waste to down right idiocy = the day I can't vote for them anymore.

I'll admit that a lot of text books do push students to far to the left into idiocy land....
A few cases I've seen over the years.
1. How you shouldn't judge thugs, gansta's, etc.
2. How you shouldn't have a opinion on anything that might offend anyone. What good is a college education if you can't think?
3. Making woman and minorities a equal part of history. What? White males did the vast majority but somehow those groups get equal showing?

Some of these text books should be banned.

Neither science nor innovation are known to libtards and they are the threat to them - our schools won't cut science subjects hours and requirements so much (or math) and extend the bogus libetard subjects instead.

It is dumbing down the populace and brainwashing it with libtard agenda - that is what is the goal.

85% of scientists consider themselves liberals.

I imagine that's about the same percentage employed by the government.

 

[Vox]

S.S. and Medicare are not sustainable.

Really, if that's all you've got to point to as progressive successes, you got nothin'.

SS would be sustainable if it would stay for SS only. Medicare in it's current form IS unsustainable and it is grossly unfair.

President Johnson, a good Democrat, put SS monies into the General Fund.

So you can thank the left for making SS unsustainable.

I know WHO did it. And I know that left, if they get what they want - a constant grip on power - will cut all the benefits they feel like it cold turkey. Left does not care about anybody except getting into power and staying there. Then they can do whatever they want - and they WILL.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

What was rational about wanting to preserve the institution of slavery?

What was rational about wanting to deny women the right to vote?

Are you a dolt? No need to answer that, it was a rhetorical question.

What's rational about assigning 19th Century attitudes to 21st Century conservatives?

Perhaps you should re-assess what you consider rational.

Actually, conservatives consistently demonstrate that they are still in favor of slavery and denying women's rights.

Now you've resorted to lying.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Are you a dolt? No need to answer that, it was a rhetorical question.

What's rational about assigning 19th Century attitudes to 21st Century conservatives?

Perhaps you should re-assess what you consider rational.

Actually, conservatives consistently demonstrate that they are still in favor of slavery and denying women's rights.

Well, most of them know better than to advocate such things outright,

but it is absolutely true that conservatives overwhelmingly support such things as the right to discriminate, based on race and gender, in such things as business and employment.

No, we support the right for individuals to run their businesses as they see fit.

The totalitarian left uses racial and sexual discrimination as a wedge to control that which they have no legitimate right to control.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

What are the facts and logic behind insisting that children be taught creationism as competing 'theory' to evolution?

What are the facts and logic behind insisting that MOST gays are genetically disposed?

Does science show evolution as the reason a few humans are gay?

Seems contradictory when you consider that "survival of the fittest" means genes are passed on..almost always by sexual intercourse.
Same sex intercourse doesn't result in genetic code being passed on.
So how are gays more prolific today then any time in human history?

Yet our schools are teaching behavior modification with respect to acceptance of gay choice.

What's the evolutionary problem of a small percentage of a species being non-reproductive?

Seems that small percentage would die out, no?

 

[Crackerjaxon]

What are the facts and logic behind insisting that MOST gays are genetically disposed?

Does science show evolution as the reason a few humans are gay?

Seems contradictory when you consider that "survival of the fittest" means genes are passed on..almost always by sexual intercourse.
Same sex intercourse doesn't result in genetic code being passed on.
So how are gays more prolific today then any time in human history?

Yet our schools are teaching behavior modification with respect to acceptance of gay choice.

What's the evolutionary problem of a small percentage of a species being non-reproductive?

Hell with some species (ants, bees, etc.) almost ALL of the members of the species do not participate in reproduction!

So wee need homosexuals to do drudge work?

 

[Crackerjaxon]

The leftist start early

Another consequence of the government monopoly on affordable education.

Parents need to be aware of what their children are being taught

And if government didn't control all aspects of affordable education, from which school you can attend, to what's in the text books, to how many frickin' tater tots get served at lunch...parents WOULD be aware of what their children are being taught because they'd have CHOICE in education.

The central planners do NOT know what's best for your family.

Then write a letter to your town, city, or state since they control schooling.

The federal government exerts control over local schools by withholding funding.

Stop pretending it doesn't.