How much News do You Get?

[sealybobo]

Ohh so you think cause some rabid BIASED Jew or Arab says something it is true? There are NO unbiased sources in your neck of the woods. NONE. And your article proves it, Ravi already pointed out that rather then hide the news it was reported with the Israeli Government denying the charges and pointing out that before someone can come into Israel they have to provide proof of a medical condition that requires them to be there. I would be a tad hesitant to just allow any Arab into your country since they like to blow up women and children. Think of the coup if they could blow up a Hospital?

Neo Con's like you also like to blow up Muslim women and children. Here is what one of your favorite talk show hosts, Michael Reagan said: "You know what I would get them for a first birthday, I would put a grenade up their butts and light it. Happy birthday. Bye-Bye." He went on to say, "What's wrong with killing the mothers and the babies?"

 

[Rhys]

I get so tired of the watering down of the truth with the cry, "but they aren't the only ones!"

I don't believe the Occupation Authority and US supporters of such present themselves to the world as an "objective" source for news. If they did, then they would be guilty of "media bias". Since they don't pretend to be the media, it's asinine to compare their bias with the bias of the BBC.

I find it difficult, since I come from another culture, to understand what extreme-right Americans actually mean most of the time, since they all sound to me to be raving. You are saying, I think, that the zionists and their backers are liars, but they never pretend to be anything else, so that is okay. As far as I can see, however, the majority of Americans think they are telling the truth, but are never allowed to see any of the evidence.

This is very bad, because it means that you can't understand what anyone in the areas you invade and bully thinks or feels about anything, which brings on paranoia. RetiredGySgt, for instance, seems to believe that there is a special Jewish organisation called Israeli Civil Rights which, for reasons totally unexplained, makes up lies about the behaviour of Shin Bet, and another organisation called the BBC which, for reasons equally unexplained, publicises such lies. I myself think that anyone who holds such weird notions should, if he can afford it, see a specialist.

And while I don't particularly wish to defend the BBC, that is NOT because it defends the democratic forces in the Middle East against racism: quite the contrary!

 

[Reality]

This convo is going no where.

There are three relevant groups you have to consider in any analysis of the media. We have come to this point through history because governments and power has pulled back from controlling people directly as the west has largely rejected absolutism. Governments and like powers have come to controlling public opinion and discourse.

Those groups are reporters and other on the ground types, corporate interests that write the checks to these people and ADVERTISERS. Media does not answer to consumers, it answers to advertisers. Media therefore has come to telling consumers what they want to hear so they'll watch or read or listen to ads. Government largely dictates what we call truth: in this case Israel is good and Arabs are bad. When media outlets run something controversial, like any media that doesn't completely demonize Arabs and romanticize Israel, consumers take it out on the advertisers. The advertisers put pressure on the media to toe the line so as not to upset potential consumers for the advertisers.

Especially in large media outlets, the advertisers control the message. Business interests, as we know, tend to swing right wing.

This is very simplified, obviously.

 

[AllieBaba]

I find it difficult, since I come from another culture, to understand what extreme-right Americans actually mean most of the time, since they all sound to me to be raving. You are saying, I think, that the zionists and their backers are liars, but they never pretend to be anything else, so that is okay. As far as I can see, however, the majority of Americans think they are telling the truth, but are never allowed to see any of the evidence.

This is very bad, because it means that you can't understand what anyone in the areas you invade and bully thinks or feels about anything, which brings on paranoia. RetiredGySgt, for instance, seems to believe that there is a special Jewish organisation called Israeli Civil Rights which, for reasons totally unexplained, makes up lies about the behaviour of Shin Bet, and another organisation called the BBC which, for reasons equally unexplained, publicises such lies. I myself think that anyone who holds such weird notions should, if he can afford it, see a specialist.

And while I don't particularly wish to defend the BBC, that is NOT because it defends the democratic forces in the Middle East against racism: quite the contrary!

No, I didn't say they were liars. I believe you did. I simply said they aren't journalists, so to compare the bigotry of an allegedly unbiased news source with the bigotry of individuals from all walks of life, and an organization which has at its heart the welfare of a particular group of people is asinine.

That's not raving. That's sense, and that's why you don't understand it.

 

[editec]

The first casualty of war is truth.​

Senator Hiram W Johnson​

 

[Charles_Main]

Can someone tell me if Palestinians are only allowed to travel to Israel and no where else?

At time the Isrealis have closed all the borders, at other times they are open. The Israelis say they need to do this to stop weapons from entering the territories, though I am not sure why they would have to stop Palestinians from Leaving to accomplish that goal.

 

[Ravi]

At time the Isrealis have closed all the borders, at other times they are open. The Israelis say they need to do this to stop weapons from entering the territories, though I am not sure why they would have to stop Palestinians from Leaving to accomplish that goal.

Thanks. I guess I was wondering if they can only go to Israel for medical care...what about all those friendly Arab nations...can't they go there?

From what I read on the story posted on the original OP, 11 Palestinians out of 10,000 have complained. Sounds a bit fishy, imo.

 

[CA95380]

“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.”

Benjamin Franklin​

Wish he was still around - I would vote for him as our next President.​

 

[Rhys]

No, I didn't say they were liars. I believe you did. I simply said they aren't journalists, so to compare the bigotry of an allegedly unbiased news source with the bigotry of individuals from all walks of life, and an organization which has at its heart the welfare of a particular group of people is asinine.

That's not raving. That's sense, and that's why you don't understand it.

What bigotry of what unbiased news source? What individuals from all walks of life? What organization which has at its heart the welfare of a particular group?

What on earth are you talking about? Israeli Human Rights and the BBC? In that case you are barking mad!

 

[Rhys]

This convo is going no where.

There are three relevant groups you have to consider in any analysis of the media. We have come to this point through history because governments and power has pulled back from controlling people directly as the west has largely rejected absolutism. Governments and like powers have come to controlling public opinion and discourse.

Those groups are reporters and other on the ground types, corporate interests that write the checks to these people and ADVERTISERS. Media does not answer to consumers, it answers to advertisers. Media therefore has come to telling consumers what they want to hear so they'll watch or read or listen to ads. Government largely dictates what we call truth: in this case Israel is good and Arabs are bad. When media outlets run something controversial, like any media that doesn't completely demonize Arabs and romanticize Israel, consumers take it out on the advertisers. The advertisers put pressure on the media to toe the line so as not to upset potential consumers for the advertisers.

Especially in large media outlets, the advertisers control the message. Business interests, as we know, tend to swing right wing.

This is very simplified, obviously.

Yes, and I don't disagree. What interests me is how our different media became, on this particular issue, the equivalent of old-time Radio Moscow, because it wasn't always so. In Britain after the War, for instance, the zionists were known to have murdered a large number of our soldiers who'd been fighting Hitler (yes, the ancestors of Likud killed them, that famously anti-'terrorist' party!) and thus demonstrated pretty clearly the nature of their politics, especially in the way they booby-trapped the bodies of their victims. This point was generally understood at the time - yet our current Prime Minister finds it necessary to belong to a UK-Israel friendship organization, and our radio is clearly hugely biased in favour of the colonists: as is the case in the US (or so I understand) any action by the Resistance is presented as aggressive, any aggression by the Occupation as merely reactive. Yet the Labour Party in Britain depends on Muslim votes, the economies of both countries on Arab oil, so the 'economic benefit' idea isn't obviously central here.

Do people in the US know that since September 2000 the zionists have killed 4,862 Palestinians as against 1,057 Israelis killed; that they have killed (in my view deliberately) 1,050 Palestinian children as against 123 Israeli children: they have injured 32,744 Palestinian people as against 8,341 Israelis injured; that they are imprisoning , and doubtless torturing, 10,756 Palestinians - as against scarcely any Israelis? Zionists demonstrate their racism by finding this entirely acceptable, or course, but would others, if they allowed to know? Certainly people in the UK don't know these things - and so useful is the information given out by the media that they understand practically nothing about the background either. It seems to me a fascinating bit of thought-control - and, like the use of torture, our governments will learn from it!

 

[editec]

“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.”​

Benjamin Franklin​

Wish he was still around - I would vote for him as our next President.​

They'd kill him.

 

[Reality]

In Britain after the War, for instance, the zionists were known to have murdered a large number of our soldiers who'd been fighting Hitler (yes, the ancestors of Likud killed them, that famously anti-'terrorist' party!) and thus demonstrated pretty clearly the nature of their politics, especially in the way they booby-trapped the bodies of their victims.

Do you have a source on attacking Americans troops? I hadn't heard this before.

 

[Rhys]

Do you have a source on attacking Americans troops? I hadn't heard this before.

I can't say I'm British in every post! Relax - only British blood was shed, so it didn't matter! Onwards and upwards!

 

[Ravi]

I can't say I'm British in every post! Relax - only British blood was shed, so it didn't matter! Onwards and upwards!

I'd like to see that evidence myself.

 

[Rhys]

I'd like to see that evidence myself.

Ravi - You don't even understand what's being said, ha'porth! What evidence would you like to see for what, lovey, and what would you do with it anyway, unless it bit you? Come to that, what would you do with it if it DID?

 

[Ravi]

Ravi - You don't even understand what's being said, ha'porth! What evidence would you like to see for what, lovey, and what would you do with it anyway, unless it bit you? Come to that, what would you do with it if it DID?

This: In Britain after the War, for instance, the zionists were known to have murdered a large number of our soldiers who'd been fighting Hitler

 

[Rhys]

This: In Britain after the War, for instance, the zionists were known to have murdered a large number of our soldiers who'd been fighting Hitler

Have you never heard of the King David Hotel? Look it up. Are you seriously doubting that the originators of Likud murdered very many British troops and booby-trapped their bodies? If so, thought-control amongst you neo-nazis must have got even stronger than I supposed. That is History, Ravi, agreed by everyone but idiots. The only British anti-Semite I ever met had had several friends murdered by Irgun and/or the Stern Gang (look 'em up!). I had to explain to him, as I sometimes try to explain to you, that Jews and zionists are different: to my mind, totally different, zionists being born of and formed by nazism, Jews being its victims. Stop rushing in to rant about what you don't know and read something, for goodness sake.

 

[Ravi]

Have you never heard of the King David Hotel? Look it up. Are you seriously doubting that the originators of Likud murdered very many British troops and booby-trapped their bodies? If so, thought-control amongst you neo-nazis must have got even stronger than I supposed. That is History, Ravi, agreed by everyone but idiots. The only British anti-Semite I ever met had had several friends murdered by Irgun and/or the Stern Gang (look 'em up!). I had to explain to him, as I sometimes try to explain to you, that Jews and zionists are different: to my mind, totally different, zionists being born of and formed by nazism, Jews being its victims. Stop rushing in to rant about what you don't know and read something, for goodness sake.

Oh, that. A terrorist group. You made it sound like this was going on in England. You really like to push the propaganda, don't you?

 

[Rhys]

Oh, that. A terrorist group. You made it sound like this was going on in England. You really like to push the propaganda, don't you?

Yes - the terrorist group that became the terrorist party, Likud. And, of course, it is so much nicer to be murdered in a country you've been sent to protect rather than at home - a real consolation to our dead soldiers, I'm sure

 

[editec]

I can't say I'm British in every post! Relax - only British blood was shed, so it didn't matter! Onwards and upwards!

Okay, that was pretty damned funny.

See?

I told youse guys to keep hiring Hessians, but nooooooooooooo.

You had to start using Brits to fight Britian's wars, and now look what's become of your Empire.

You've left it up to we Yanks, and now we've ALL got people in charge who couldn't arrange a one car funeral trying to run the world.

I'm tellin ya, if it weren't for the occassional rock band, or BBC television you all send our way, we might have to rethink our preference for the Anglos over the (gasp!) French.

If those Frogs ever adapt a human language that even Americans can learn to speak as badly as we currently speak English, you're in beaucoup trouble, mon ami