How many will still believe there are 50 million uninsured after reading the FACTS?

[Greenbeard]

This means for EXAMPLE...
smokers and non smokers alike are charged the same premium as smokers because the companies CAN'T ASSESS RISK!!!

Smokers and non-smokers won't be charged the same premium. Perhaps you should start checking your "facts."

Is smoking a "pre-existing condition"?

Tobacco use is a factor on which insurers may rate. Smokers can be charged a higher premium than non-smokers.

 

[kiwiman127]

Health insurance premiums shot up 9 percent this year, nearly three times the rate of inflation and the most since 2005, a new study shows

This year, the annual premiums paid out for employer-sponsored programs topped $15,000, according to Kaiser Family Foundation/Health Research & Educational Trust, which conducts an annual health benefits survey.

Average health care premiums rose to $10,944 for employers and $4,129 for workers for a total of $15,073.

Health Insurance Premiums Rise Sharply in 2011 - ABC News

From Employer Health Benefits 2011 Annual Survey covering healthcare insurance cost increase from 1999 to 2009 , " Since 1999, family premiums for employer-sponsored health coverage have increased by 131 percent, placing increasing cost burdens on employers and workers."U.S. Health Care Costs: Issue Modules, Background Brief - KaiserEDU.org, Health Policy Education from the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

So on other words, the between 1999-2009 health care premiums increases annually averaged 13.1% . Funny how that was skipped over.

 

[healthmyths]

18 millions Americans who don't want insurance.

OR

Can't afford it?

BIG difference.

Ron Paul's campaign manager from the last election had no insurance. He got cancer. Then died. I wonder if Ron Paul told him that Obamacare might have saved his life, but it was better he died "full of liberty"?

Course, to me, there's "liberty" and then there is "stupid". They aren't the same thing. At least not to liberals.

OH wow.. ONE person died and that's your justification?

And I"M SURE some NOT all of the 18 million didn't pay because they couldn't afford it!
OF course!
BUT this is where your ignorance of how health insurance works!

THE number ONE cost driver i.e. reason insurance companies raise premiums is because they pay claims! The more claims and the higher the amounts the more they charge in premiums. I would think you are smart enough to agree to that!

BUT what makes up the claims?
90% of doctors say of every $4 they submit in claims $1 is because of FEAR!
FEAR of being sued so they order extra tests, specialist referrals.. $600 billion a year!
WHO pays the claims? The insurance companies!

 

[Charles_Main]

Joseph Goebbels a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 is attributed to saying:"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

Well in spite of these FACTS let's see via the following poll how many still believe this myth: "50 million people that have no health insurance that want insurance".

The importance of this myth is that it was the MAJOR factor in passage of Obamacare which in TURN has directly caused health insurance premiums to rise AND PER MEDICARE will cause people to spend more out of pocket for health!
From THIS SOURCE: https://www.cms.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/.../proj2010.pdf
(YOU REALLY should down load this document and become INFORMED!!!)

Page 1 of Medicare's National Health Expenditure Projections 2010-2020
says YOUR pocket costs will INCREASE 200% due to Obamacare!!!

"Out-of-pocket spending is projected to grow 3.9 percent in 2013, up from 1.8 percent in 2010, as growth in household incomes is expected to lead to more health care spending and as employers are anticipated to increase cost-sharing requirements in employer-sponsored insurance plans"

In laymen's terms BECAUSE of Obamacare insurance companies NOW have to exclude "pre-existing conditions".
This means for EXAMPLE...
smokers and non smokers alike are charged the same premium as smokers because the companies CAN'T ASSESS RISK!!!
If insurance companies can't assess risk i.e. "pre-existing conditions"
THEY HAVE TO RAISE Premiums!
Rather then raise employer premiums..
EMPLOYERS are asking employees to pay MORE IN DEDUCTIBLES!!

Do you understand...OUT OF POCKET and that is what OBAMACARE DID!

AND idiots who believed that Obamacare would cover the mythical 50 million uninsured!
FALSE PREMISE.. there were NEVER 50 million "uninsured"!

From the US CENSUS....Current Population Survey (CPS) Main Page
10 million are not citizens
18 million counted as Uninsured earn $50,000 or more and don't want insurance!
14 million In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated of uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. THEY ARE covered already!!!
===========
42 million of 50 million counted as "uninsured" ARE:
either not citizens, --- don't want insurance --- or are already covered!
The American Spectator : The Myth of the 46 Million

So in spite of the PROOF there are really less then 10 million "truly uninsured" that need to be covered.. THIS HUGE LIE (remember Goebbels??) I am confident there will be some who STILL believe IN SPITE of the above there are 50 million!!!

YOU are going to pay the price for your ignoring the FACTS!
This is why Obama MUST be NOT re-elected and Obamacare REPEALED!

They been playing games with this number for a Decade. They count young people, who choose not to buy insurance, even though they could easily afford the 100 Bucks a month it takes to insure a healthy young single person. They could illegal immigrants that not only do not deserve Tax Payer funded Insurance, they should not even be here. Often they even count the people who already are Covered by Medicaid as uninsured as well.

 

[merrill]

50 million is wrong...

There are more...

 

[healthmyths]

Joseph Goebbels a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 is attributed to saying:"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

Well in spite of these FACTS let's see via the following poll how many still believe this myth: "50 million people that have no health insurance that want insurance".

The importance of this myth is that it was the MAJOR factor in passage of Obamacare which in TURN has directly caused health insurance premiums to rise AND PER MEDICARE will cause people to spend more out of pocket for health!
From THIS SOURCE: https://www.cms.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/.../proj2010.pdf
(YOU REALLY should down load this document and become INFORMED!!!)

Page 1 of Medicare's National Health Expenditure Projections 2010-2020
says YOUR pocket costs will INCREASE 200% due to Obamacare!!!

"Out-of-pocket spending is projected to grow 3.9 percent in 2013, up from 1.8 percent in 2010, as growth in household incomes is expected to lead to more health care spending and as employers are anticipated to increase cost-sharing requirements in employer-sponsored insurance plans"

In laymen's terms BECAUSE of Obamacare insurance companies NOW have to exclude "pre-existing conditions".
This means for EXAMPLE...
smokers and non smokers alike are charged the same premium as smokers because the companies CAN'T ASSESS RISK!!!
If insurance companies can't assess risk i.e. "pre-existing conditions"
THEY HAVE TO RAISE Premiums!
Rather then raise employer premiums..
EMPLOYERS are asking employees to pay MORE IN DEDUCTIBLES!!

Do you understand...OUT OF POCKET and that is what OBAMACARE DID!

AND idiots who believed that Obamacare would cover the mythical 50 million uninsured!
FALSE PREMISE.. there were NEVER 50 million "uninsured"!

From the US CENSUS....Current Population Survey (CPS) Main Page
10 million are not citizens
18 million counted as Uninsured earn $50,000 or more and don't want insurance!
14 million In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated of uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. THEY ARE covered already!!!
===========
42 million of 50 million counted as "uninsured" ARE:
either not citizens, --- don't want insurance --- or are already covered!
The American Spectator : The Myth of the 46 Million

So in spite of the PROOF there are really less then 10 million "truly uninsured" that need to be covered.. THIS HUGE LIE (remember Goebbels??) I am confident there will be some who STILL believe IN SPITE of the above there are 50 million!!!

YOU are going to pay the price for your ignoring the FACTS!
This is why Obama MUST be NOT re-elected and Obamacare REPEALED!

You're saying that a health insurance policy that cost, let's say, $5000 a year in 2010 will cost 15,000 a year by 2020?

I'm not seeing that.

READ closer! I was repeating what Medicare said regarding OUT of Pocket costs!
NOT the insurance policy.. BUT even there you are way out of whack with reality!
First Out of POCKET.. means when you go into the doc office and the co-pay for the $60 visit was $10.. by 2020 the co-pay (OUT of Pocket will be $20!) equal 200% increase!
HAS NOTHING to do with insurance premium!
READ closer..

BUT the projected Employer paid insurance premium will be in 2020 based on the below projection of 6% increase per year --- $18,336!

In Dallas-Fort Worth, the average cost of health coverage per employee in 2012 is projected to be $11,504, a 6.8 percent increase from this year, according to human resources consultant Aon Hewitt.
Another study suggests that some employers may prefer to pay fines and taxes instead of continuing to provide benefits that consume more of their budget every year.

Benefits consultant Towers Watson concluded that one in 10 midsize or large employers expects to stop offering health coverage to workers when federal insurance exchanges start in 2014.

Employer health costs projected to rise 6.8% - Dallas Business Journal

ALL because the BIG LIE.. 50 million UNINSURED!!!

THERE WAS NO NEED for Obamacare to cover the truly less the 8 million truly uninsured that wanted insurance!

BUT it was OBAMA's LEGACY!!! All crap!

All Obama had to do was slap a 10% tax on his millionaire lawyers!
Take that $10 billion a year and contract with private insurance to provide the
8 million truly uninsured so when the go to the emergency room, they are registered as not having insurance, can't pay.. the bills are sent to the Uninsured Health Insurance company that pays the hospital!
THEN the HOSPITAL is forbidden on criminal penalities for "padding and passing" on to Medicare/private insurance!
THEN MEDICARE won't be paying 6,000% markup on services that Medicare ACCEPTS because of EMTALA!

BUT of course since unlike ME YOU don't work everyday with Medicare/providers helping them as my business to get providers PAID !
I know that 6,000+ hospitals markup their services sometimes 6,000% ... here for example:
Univ. Community Hospital Tampa..
Did 2,110 CAT scan no contrast in 2009
sent 2,110 claims to Medicare at $2,635 each
BUT IT Cost the hospital $43 each...
A 6,127.91% that Medicare PAID!! 2,110 times! And that is part of the
$250 billion a year in WASTE and FRAUD in Medicare!

A large portion because Medicare KNOWS due to EMTALA the hospital pads and passes on at 6,000% to recoup "uninsured"!

SO have the govt. tax the lawyers that ALSO create the $600 billion in defensive medicine costs that are padded and passed on to Medicare/insurance!
Use the tax money for the 8 million truly uninsured!

WATCH your health insurance premiums PLUMMET!

But remember I make a living from helping get money from Medicare .. I know what I'm writing about!

 

[merrill]

The purpose of single-payer health care is to keep people healthy. It is possible to have such a system without any co-pays, deductibles or health-related bankruptcies.

Healthcare-NOW! - With single-payer reform, schools all over Ohio could save millions

 

[healthmyths]

The reason I chose to address the Census Bureau's numbers rather than yours (yours being 42 and 50 million) is because I have no idea where yours come from. I cannot connect to your CMS link, and your CPS link goes to their main page, which of course does not contain the information to which you allude.
I apologize for the bad link!!!

Try the below and follow the download...
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22National+Health+Expenditure+Projections+2010-2020%22&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off

I do not have a problem with listing undocumented American residents who are uninsured as uninsured. It is factually accurate, and it is relevant because:

1) They consume American medical resources.

2) They are human beings and I'd like them to receive efficient medical care.

As to forcing people to buy something they don't think they need, this is perhaps regrettable but certainly necessary, in general. Taxes are used to force people to buy things they don't want all the time. Very few people who pay taxes are happy about funding both the NEA and the invasion of Iraq, yet I don't favor eliminating taxation altogether.

As for counting people who are eligible for Medicaid, I believe this is again correct. Some of these people may face substantial barriers to enrollment, including perhaps not knowing they are eligible. Further, if they aren't enrolled then they certainly aren't receiving medical care through the program. This means that they aren't receiving preventative treatments that could save money in the long run.

In any event, the morality of the health care laws are rather far afield from your original topic, which was the factual accuracy of the number of uninsured people.

Again.. the ACCURACY is simple!
10 million counted as UNINSURED ARE NOT CITIZENS!
18 million do NOT want nor NEED to have health insurance coverage!
Many of them pay what is called "OUT of POCKET" some actually get better deals,
i.e. tell a hospital you are willing to pay cash.. they discount costs in some cases large!
WHY?? Because the hospital gets the money quicker..
And you evidently NEVER heard about clearinghouses and the fees they charge???

So those 18 million counted as UNINSURED DON"T want it so why are they forced to pay? AND forced to pay MORE as the above report indicates!

Finally the 14 million that are already covered?
5.4 million are KIDS! KIDS who's parents ONLY need to register with SCHIP!

9 million people who answered on CENSUS SAID they were UNINSURED yet when further researched FOUND out they were COVERED by Medicaid!

MY whole POINT is you and many misinformed people think that national health care is the way to go!
WE ALREADY HAVE IT for 97% of Americans.. Medicare/Medicaid/private insurance covers 97% of Americans!

YET OBAMA forced the extremely complicated, idiotic Obamacare ON the premise there were 50 million UNINSURED!!!

Shouldn't that be enough of a warning sign that if it required LIES to pass it is NOT good!

Remember Obama's Medicare SAID out of pocket costs are going to climb AND THAT FIGURE WAS NEVER SHARED with Congress when the bill was passed!
Projection of 2010 % of $2.55 trillion spent on health care
Government pays providers 46.37%
Medicare $ 864,000,000,000 33.82%
Medicaid 321,000,000,000 12.56%
Private Insurance 879,000,000,000 34.40%
Out of pocket 298,000,000,000 11.66%
Other 193,000,000,000 7.55%
$2,555,000,000,000
2010 data from The 2012 Statistical Abstract: Health Expenditures

I think this will be my last post in this thread, since I can't even tell if you're reading them. You still haven't explained where you're getting your numbers. A few points:

- Some life-saving medical procedures are quite expensive. A middle-class person who tries to self-insure will not be able to pay for them. If that person plans to pay "out of pocket", then they will either be denied vital medicine, or their costs will be passed on to others.

- Given that I acknowledged that some of the people without health insurance in this country are non-citizens (I'm not sure who is disputing that) I don't understand why you need to repeat that assertion with all-caps and exclamation points.

- I'm not sure what I said that led you to conclude that I'd never heard of clearinghouses. I have, of course.

- It's absurd to suggest that Obama didn't tell Congress that rates would rise. Obama said publicly that the ACA would control rates (IE, that it would slow their increase), not that it would lower them.

- You still haven't identified any lies. You haven't quoted Obama or anyone else, and you haven't provided any evidence disputing any assertions.

LIES??? THERE ARE NOT 50 million UNINSURED that want insurance!
THAT IS the LIE!!!
14 million either already covered and 9 million are not eligible..
19 million DON"T want to be covered!
--------------------------
42 million that adds up to NOT 50 million!

OK ONCE AGAIN!!!

Source: The Current Population Survey (CPS) by the U.S. Census Bureau.
Newsroom: Income & Wealth: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010

Table C. People Without Health Insurance Coverage

Not a citizen 9,729,000 not citizens

The Young and Healthy. About 19 million 18-to-34-year olds are unin*sured.

Most of them are healthy and know they can pay incidental expens*es out of pocket. Using hard-earned dollars to pay for health care they don't expect to need is a low priority for them."
Crisis of the Uninsured: 2009 | Publications | National Center for Policy Analysis | NCPA
SO WHY are you FORCING THESE people TO PAY For health insurance THEY don't want?


Existing Government Health Care Plans Not Being Used
A 2003 Blue Cross/Blue Shield Association study concluded that,
"More than 14 million uninsured Americans are already eligible for health insurance through Medicaid and State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)."
Health Insurance US Health Insurance Statistics – How Many Really are Uninsured?
===========
42 million of 50 million counted as "uninsured" ARE:
either not citizens, --- don't want insurance --- or are already covered!

THAT is the problem... YOU just don't know how to add and subtract!

42 million from above linked sources are either covered, not eligible or don't want
YET you want them to be covered
1) illegally (not citizens!) 2) double covered (14 million already covered)
3) Or FORCED!! 19 million!

IT doesn't make any sense that such a simple number was used fraudulently to convince idiots to vote for Obamacare and it will be the destruction of health care!

 

[merrill]

Thursday, June 25, 2009

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

At a committee hearing yesterday, three health-care specialists testified that insurers go to great lengths to avoid responsibility for sick people, use deliberately incomprehensible documents to mislead consumers about their benefits, and sell "junk" policies that do not cover needed care. Rockefeller said he was exploring "why consumers get such a raw deal from their insurance companies."

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

"The industry and its backers are using fear tactics, as they did in 1994, to tar a transparent and accountable -- publicly accountable -- health-care option," said Wendell Potter, who until early last year was vice president for corporate communications at the big insurer Cigna.

Insurers make paperwork confusing because "they realize that people will just simply give up and not pursue it" if they think they have been shortchanged, Potter said.

More on this story:
Senate Panel Hears of ‘Raw Deal' Consumers Get From Health Insurers

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

50,000,000? I dunno.. but let's assume it's accurate. How many of that number are self insured? How many are say between the ages of 18 - 35 and choose not to have insurance? How many are actually people who want insurance but simply cannot get it?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Thursday, June 25, 2009

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

At a committee hearing yesterday, three health-care specialists testified that insurers go to great lengths to avoid responsibility for sick people, use deliberately incomprehensible documents to mislead consumers about their benefits, and sell "junk" policies that do not cover needed care. Rockefeller said he was exploring "why consumers get such a raw deal from their insurance companies."

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

"The industry and its backers are using fear tactics, as they did in 1994, to tar a transparent and accountable -- publicly accountable -- health-care option," said Wendell Potter, who until early last year was vice president for corporate communications at the big insurer Cigna.

Insurers make paperwork confusing because "they realize that people will just simply give up and not pursue it" if they think they have been shortchanged, Potter said.

More on this story:
Senate Panel Hears of ‘Raw Deal' Consumers Get From Health Insurers

Wow, you like to bitch about EVERYTHING. I bet you're a hoot at parties.

 

[healthmyths]

Joseph Goebbels a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 is attributed to saying:"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

Well in spite of these FACTS let's see via the following poll how many still believe this myth: "50 million people that have no health insurance that want insurance".

The importance of this myth is that it was the MAJOR factor in passage of Obamacare which in TURN has directly caused health insurance premiums to rise AND PER MEDICARE will cause people to spend more out of pocket for health!
From THIS SOURCE: https://www.cms.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/.../proj2010.pdf
(YOU REALLY should down load this document and become INFORMED!!!)

Page 1 of Medicare's National Health Expenditure Projections 2010-2020
says YOUR pocket costs will INCREASE 200% due to Obamacare!!!

"Out-of-pocket spending is projected to grow 3.9 percent in 2013, up from 1.8 percent in 2010, as growth in household incomes is expected to lead to more health care spending and as employers are anticipated to increase cost-sharing requirements in employer-sponsored insurance plans"

In laymen's terms BECAUSE of Obamacare insurance companies NOW have to exclude "pre-existing conditions".
This means for EXAMPLE...
smokers and non smokers alike are charged the same premium as smokers because the companies CAN'T ASSESS RISK!!!
If insurance companies can't assess risk i.e. "pre-existing conditions"
THEY HAVE TO RAISE Premiums!
Rather then raise employer premiums..
EMPLOYERS are asking employees to pay MORE IN DEDUCTIBLES!!

Do you understand...OUT OF POCKET and that is what OBAMACARE DID!

AND idiots who believed that Obamacare would cover the mythical 50 million uninsured!
FALSE PREMISE.. there were NEVER 50 million "uninsured"!

From the US CENSUS....Current Population Survey (CPS) Main Page
10 million are not citizens
18 million counted as Uninsured earn $50,000 or more and don't want insurance!
14 million In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated of uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. THEY ARE covered already!!!
===========
42 million of 50 million counted as "uninsured" ARE:
either not citizens, --- don't want insurance --- or are already covered!
The American Spectator : The Myth of the 46 Million

So in spite of the PROOF there are really less then 10 million "truly uninsured" that need to be covered.. THIS HUGE LIE (remember Goebbels??) I am confident there will be some who STILL believe IN SPITE of the above there are 50 million!!!

YOU are going to pay the price for your ignoring the FACTS!
This is why Obama MUST be NOT re-elected and Obamacare REPEALED!

How many times does Healthmyths get caught lying on this subject, well as I have corrected this poster three other times, this makes it now the 4th time. Healthmyths is truly are good name for this poster because this poster's posts are friggen myths!

From Healthmyths post: " 14 million In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated of uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. THEY ARE covered already!!!"

From the actual Census Bureau report:

What Is Health Insurance Coverage?
The Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplement
(CPS ASEC) asks about health insurance coverage in the previous calendar
year. Specifically, the survey asks separate questions about the major
types of health insurance. People who answer “no” to each of the coverage
questions are then asked to verify that they were, in fact, not covered
by any type of health insurance. For reporting purposes, the U.S. Census
Bureau broadly classifies health insurance coverage as private coverage or
government coverage. Private health insurance is a plan provided through
an employer or a union or purchased by an individual from a private
company. Government health insurance includes such federal programs
as Medicare, Medicaid, and military health care; the Children’s Health
Insurance Program (CHIP); and individual state health plans.* People were
considered “insured” if they were covered by any type of health insurance
for part or all of the previous calendar year. They were considered “uninsured”
if, for the entire year, they were not covered by any type of health
insurance."
http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-239.pdf

So in other words, those 14 million were counted as having health care insurance.

Now, I'm no fan of "Obamacare" and I hope the Supreme Court throws out the "mandate" portion of the bill. No to Obamamcare, yes to one-payer. But Healthmyths blaming the cost of Obamacare for the increase in health care premiums is nothing but ignorance partisanship. The cost of health care in the US has been skyrocketing for decades and for the last 30 plus years has seriously outpaced inflation as the below chart clearly shows.

I DIDN"T blame OBAMACARE for the entire rise in health insurance premiums because that is something ignorant hyperbolic prone to exaggeration people do!

WHAT I did say was according to Kaiser thDrew Altman, president and CEO of Kaiser, say that the ObamaCare law probably accounted for 1 to 2 percentage points of that increase.
Obamacare Has Increased Cost of Health Insurance, Says Kaiser Foundation | CNSnews.com

Obamacare CAUSED health insurance premiums to increase in one year from normal increase of 5% to an increase of 7% --almost 140% jump in the increasee increase normally is around ...
"Kaiser Family Foundation, which specializes in health care issues, found that health insurance premiums had jumped by 9 percent in 2011, up from a 5 percent annual increase since 2007.


NOW to the FACTS about why insurance premiums continue to rise!
1) Pad and pass on unreimbursed expenses by hospitals !
Due to EMTALA..(ever hear of it???) any hospital taking Medicare patients MUST
treat "uninsured" patients!
Well guess what.. since 1986 hospitals have been "padding and passing" on to both
Medicare and private insurance these costs! Totally unnecessary though!
2) $600 billion a year in "defensive medicine".. YET YOU never addressed that!
Why are you one of those filthy money grabbing millionaire ambulance chasers?

Point is doctors out of fear of lawsuits send of $4 in claims $1 is because of "defensive medicine"!

YET NO WHERE WAS tort reform addressed in Obamacare because he and congress accepted from the millionaire ambulance chasers $300 million!

As long as insurance companies have to pay the claims they don't care .. they just raise the premiums!
BUT why are they raising them? BECAUSE they are receiving the claims!

LOOK... what do you do for a living?
The reason I ask is because I would NOT question your knowledge base in your field of expertise.

I make a living helping Medicare providers get paid! Since 10/13/2005 when we did our first Medicare submission till today at Jan-14-2012 3:49:41 PM when the 11,007,901 response came back for a customer you would recognize!

I spend hours daily working on Medicare related issues!
SO I know what is happening in Medicare I think a lot more then you!
Tell me what city you live in and I'll tell you what your hospital is OVERCHARGING
Medicare like University Hospital in Tampa charges 6,000% above their costs!
AND I know why they do it and why Medicare allows it!

SO with my expertise and information I know what I'm writing about.
A) There are not 50 million uninsured!
B) Medicare is overcharged by hospitals sometimes as much as 6,000%
C) Physicians charge over $600 billion a year from FEAR of lawsuits-- they say so!
Nine out of 10 physicians reported practicing defensive medicine.
Doctors Estimate Defensive Medicine Costs Americans $650-850 Billion Annually
Doctors Practice Medicine in Fear, New Study Finds

YET NONE of that $600 billion a year was addressed in Obamacare !

 

[IndependntLogic]

Joseph Goebbels a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 is attributed to saying:"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

Well in spite of these FACTS let's see via the following poll how many still believe this myth: "50 million people that have no health insurance that want insurance".

The importance of this myth is that it was the MAJOR factor in passage of Obamacare which in TURN has directly caused health insurance premiums to rise AND PER MEDICARE will cause people to spend more out of pocket for health!
From THIS SOURCE: https://www.cms.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/.../proj2010.pdf
(YOU REALLY should down load this document and become INFORMED!!!)

Page 1 of Medicare's National Health Expenditure Projections 2010-2020
says YOUR pocket costs will INCREASE 200% due to Obamacare!!!

"Out-of-pocket spending is projected to grow 3.9 percent in 2013, up from 1.8 percent in 2010, as growth in household incomes is expected to lead to more health care spending and as employers are anticipated to increase cost-sharing requirements in employer-sponsored insurance plans"

In laymen's terms BECAUSE of Obamacare insurance companies NOW have to exclude "pre-existing conditions".
This means for EXAMPLE...
smokers and non smokers alike are charged the same premium as smokers because the companies CAN'T ASSESS RISK!!!
If insurance companies can't assess risk i.e. "pre-existing conditions"
THEY HAVE TO RAISE Premiums!
Rather then raise employer premiums..
EMPLOYERS are asking employees to pay MORE IN DEDUCTIBLES!!

Do you understand...OUT OF POCKET and that is what OBAMACARE DID!

AND idiots who believed that Obamacare would cover the mythical 50 million uninsured!
FALSE PREMISE.. there were NEVER 50 million "uninsured"!

From the US CENSUS....Current Population Survey (CPS) Main Page
10 million are not citizens
18 million counted as Uninsured earn $50,000 or more and don't want insurance!
14 million In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated of uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. THEY ARE covered already!!!
===========
42 million of 50 million counted as "uninsured" ARE:
either not citizens, --- don't want insurance --- or are already covered!
The American Spectator : The Myth of the 46 Million

So in spite of the PROOF there are really less then 10 million "truly uninsured" that need to be covered.. THIS HUGE LIE (remember Goebbels??) I am confident there will be some who STILL believe IN SPITE of the above there are 50 million!!!

YOU are going to pay the price for your ignoring the FACTS!
This is why Obama MUST be NOT re-elected and Obamacare REPEALED!

You're right. ObamaCare sucks. It should be replaced with Single-Payer Government Run & Funded Health Care!

 

[merrill]

Joseph Goebbels a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 is attributed to saying:"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

Well in spite of these FACTS let's see via the following poll how many still believe this myth: "50 million people that have no health insurance that want insurance".

The importance of this myth is that it was the MAJOR factor in passage of Obamacare which in TURN has directly caused health insurance premiums to rise AND PER MEDICARE will cause people to spend more out of pocket for health!
From THIS SOURCE: https://www.cms.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/.../proj2010.pdf
(YOU REALLY should down load this document and become INFORMED!!!)

Page 1 of Medicare's National Health Expenditure Projections 2010-2020
says YOUR pocket costs will INCREASE 200% due to Obamacare!!!

"Out-of-pocket spending is projected to grow 3.9 percent in 2013, up from 1.8 percent in 2010, as growth in household incomes is expected to lead to more health care spending and as employers are anticipated to increase cost-sharing requirements in employer-sponsored insurance plans"

In laymen's terms BECAUSE of Obamacare insurance companies NOW have to exclude "pre-existing conditions".
This means for EXAMPLE...
smokers and non smokers alike are charged the same premium as smokers because the companies CAN'T ASSESS RISK!!!
If insurance companies can't assess risk i.e. "pre-existing conditions"
THEY HAVE TO RAISE Premiums!
Rather then raise employer premiums..
EMPLOYERS are asking employees to pay MORE IN DEDUCTIBLES!!

Do you understand...OUT OF POCKET and that is what OBAMACARE DID!

AND idiots who believed that Obamacare would cover the mythical 50 million uninsured!
FALSE PREMISE.. there were NEVER 50 million "uninsured"!

From the US CENSUS....Current Population Survey (CPS) Main Page
10 million are not citizens
18 million counted as Uninsured earn $50,000 or more and don't want insurance!
14 million In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated of uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. THEY ARE covered already!!!
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42 million of 50 million counted as "uninsured" ARE:
either not citizens, --- don't want insurance --- or are already covered!
The American Spectator : The Myth of the 46 Million

So in spite of the PROOF there are really less then 10 million "truly uninsured" that need to be covered.. THIS HUGE LIE (remember Goebbels??) I am confident there will be some who STILL believe IN SPITE of the above there are 50 million!!!

YOU are going to pay the price for your ignoring the FACTS!
This is why Obama MUST be NOT re-elected and Obamacare REPEALED!

You're right. ObamaCare sucks. It should be replaced with Single-Payer Government Run & Funded Health Care!

I disagree. Let's try Single-Payer Government Run & Funded Health Insurance. In reality it is funded by us people
putting our tax dollars to better use.

Health care in and of itself should left as is...... mostly private industry.

 

[IndependntLogic]

You're right. ObamaCare sucks. It should be replaced with Single-Payer Government Run & Funded Health Care![/QUOTE]

I disagree. Let's try Single-Payer Government Run & Funded Health Insurance. In reality it is funded by us people
putting our tax dollars to better use.

Health care in and of itself should left as is...... mostly private industry.[/QUOTE]


Oops. You're right. Single Payer Health Insurance is the way to go. Always been great for me!