How many will still believe there are 50 million uninsured after reading the FACTS?

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In spite of reading the FACTS, doing your own research

  1. I still BELIEVE (not THINK..) there are 50 million uninsured that WANT insurance!

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  2. I did believe that but now after reading the FACTS 50 million is a BIG MYTH!

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  3. I still don't understand the big deal whether 50 million or less

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    Joseph Goebbels a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 is attributed to saying:"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

    Well in spite of these FACTS let's see via the following poll how many still believe this myth: "50 million people that have no health insurance that want insurance".

    The importance of this myth is that it was the MAJOR factor in passage of Obamacare which in TURN has directly caused health insurance premiums to rise AND PER MEDICARE will cause people to spend more out of pocket for health!
    From THIS SOURCE: https://www.cms.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/.../proj2010.pdf
    (YOU REALLY should down load this document and become INFORMED!!!)

    Page 1 of Medicare's National Health Expenditure Projections 2010-2020
    says YOUR pocket costs will INCREASE 200% due to Obamacare!!!

    "Out-of-pocket spending is projected to grow 3.9 percent in 2013, up from 1.8 percent in 2010, as growth in household incomes is expected to lead to more health care spending and as employers are anticipated to increase cost-sharing requirements in employer-sponsored insurance plans"

    In laymen's terms BECAUSE of Obamacare insurance companies NOW have to exclude "pre-existing conditions".
    This means for EXAMPLE...
    smokers and non smokers alike are charged the same premium as smokers because the companies CAN'T ASSESS RISK!!!
    If insurance companies can't assess risk i.e. "pre-existing conditions"
    THEY HAVE TO RAISE Premiums!
    Rather then raise employer premiums..
    EMPLOYERS are asking employees to pay MORE IN DEDUCTIBLES!!

    Do you understand...OUT OF POCKET and that is what OBAMACARE DID!

    AND idiots who believed that Obamacare would cover the mythical 50 million uninsured!
    FALSE PREMISE.. there were NEVER 50 million "uninsured"!

    From the US CENSUS....Current Population Survey (CPS) Main Page
    10 million are not citizens
    18 million counted as Uninsured earn $50,000 or more and don't want insurance!
    14 million In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated of uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. THEY ARE covered already!!!
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    42 million of 50 million counted as "uninsured" ARE:
    either not citizens, --- don't want insurance --- or are already covered!
    The American Spectator : The Myth of the 46 Million

    So in spite of the PROOF there are really less then 10 million "truly uninsured" that need to be covered.. THIS HUGE LIE (remember Goebbels??) I am confident there will be some who STILL believe IN SPITE of the above there are 50 million!!!

    YOU are going to pay the price for your ignoring the FACTS!
    This is why Obama MUST be NOT re-elected and Obamacare REPEALED!
     
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    Nazi fail.
     
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    Your own source (The American Spectator, hardly a neutral analyst) doesn't dispute the accuracy of the numbers from the Census Bureau, calling them "highly misleading" rather than inaccurate or counterfactual.

    The way that the study cited by the American Spectator arrives at a much lower number of "true uninsured" is rather silly. They throw out anyone who makes too little, under the assumption that they could qualify for government programs (I believe they throw out undocumented persons, on the assumption that we shouldn't care about them) and anyone who makes too much, under the assumption that they could get insurance if they wanted it (as though any subsequent health costs they might incur don't matter, simply because they could have been paid for. Thus, their "true uninsured" don't count the most vulnerable populations and consider only a narrow and somewhat arbitrary income range.
     
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    Too bad 6 million jews weren't around to see that failure!
    Too bad for them there wasn't a Rush Limbaugh in Germany telling people he hoped Hitler's agenda would fail!
    Hopefully for the future millions that because Obama /Democrats accepted $300 million from millionaire lawyers Obamacare was passed Obama won't be elected and Obamacare will be repealed!

    Think about it.. Obamacare TAXED tanning salons because supposedly they caused Cancer!
    In 2011 estimated tax revenue from tanning salons?
    Using an April 2010 Indoor Tanning Association estimate, the IRS initially projected the tax would be due quarterly from roughly 25,000 stand-alone tanning salons, plus spas, health clubs and beauty parlors.

    But the inspector general report found that actual tax returns filed for the first three quarters through March 31 averaged just above 10,300.

    Tanning tax receipts for that nine-month period totaled $54.4 million, the report found. That was below projections by the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, which had estimated the tax would raise $50 million in the last three months of fiscal year 2010 and $200 million for the full 2011 fiscal year.
    Underdone: Tanning tax revenue falls short

    BUT think if the $100 billion a year lawyers make from the lawsuits was taxed 10%?
    And that $10 billion was used to pay the premium for the truly 10 million uninsured?
    THERE WOULD BE two positive affects:
    1) Health insurance premiums would drop because $600 billion in defensive medicine costs reduced!
    2) Emergency rooms would NOT have as many Uninsured , unreimbursed expenses that they pad and pass on to insurance companies!
     
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    So you have no problem that:
    1) 10 million counted as "uninsured" NOT citizens??

    AND would you FORCE 18 million people to buy something they don't need?

    Or DO you have a problem ACCEPTING THE FACT that 14 million people are already covered by Medicaid and they just haven't registered?

    Seriously when you add 10 +18 + 14 = 42 million that are not citizens, don't want to buy and are already covered..
    THAT LEAVES 8 million of the supposedly 50 million!

    DO you have a problem with simple arithmetic?
     
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    In order to be eligible for Medicaid/CHIP, one must have minor children living with him/her, be established disabled by the SSA, or aged 65 or older. Adults who don’t meet this criteria are not covered.

    That’s 10 million too many, and unacceptable in this great Nation – we are better than that.
     
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    The reason I chose to address the Census Bureau's numbers rather than yours (yours being 42 and 50 million) is because I have no idea where yours come from. I cannot connect to your CMS link, and your CPS link goes to their main page, which of course does not contain the information to which you allude.

    I do not have a problem with listing undocumented American residents who are uninsured as uninsured. It is factually accurate, and it is relevant because:

    1) They consume American medical resources.

    2) They are human beings and I'd like them to receive efficient medical care.

    As to forcing people to buy something they don't think they need, this is perhaps regrettable but certainly necessary, in general. Taxes are used to force people to buy things they don't want all the time. Very few people who pay taxes are happy about funding both the NEA and the invasion of Iraq, yet I don't favor eliminating taxation altogether.

    As for counting people who are eligible for Medicaid, I believe this is again correct. Some of these people may face substantial barriers to enrollment, including perhaps not knowing they are eligible. Further, if they aren't enrolled then they certainly aren't receiving medical care through the program. This means that they aren't receiving preventative treatments that could save money in the long run.

    In any event, the morality of the health care laws are rather far afield from your original topic, which was the factual accuracy of the number of uninsured people.
     
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    You're saying that a health insurance policy that cost, let's say, $5000 a year in 2010 will cost 15,000 a year by 2020?

    I'm not seeing that.
     
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    YES I AGREE!
    BUT why should 95% of US be penalized when the FACTS are:
    1) There are NOT 50 million as was used to PASS ObamaCare!
    2) ObamaCare is destroying health services AND raising COSTS!

    YOU DON"T know evidently HOW POORLY run Medicare is as I do!
    For example are you aware that MEDICARE gladly pays hospitals 6,000% more then the hospitals costs in many cases?
    FACT:

    From two hospitals in Sacramento,Ca.
    hospital service claims billed cost markup
    Sutter Memorial- Level IV Stereotactic Radio - 53 @$52,841 $1,517 3483%
    Sutter Memorial Level V Drug Administration 1,033 $912 $28 3257%
    Davis Medical Non-Myocardial (PET) imaging 537 $2,894 $105 2756%
    Davis Medical Computed Tomography 2,901 $3,202 $232 1380%

    AND YOU want that extremely POOR management to handle ALL YOUR health care?

    MY business since 2005 has helped Medicare providers over 11 million times find out if they will be paid by Medicare! So I KNOW what I'm writing about!
     
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    Been to the ABC board lately?
     

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