How Democrats Destroyed The Economy

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Jeezzz....how many times must we hear the self-serving myth about the economic crisis that Obama accepted (created?) was as terrible as the Great Depression???

OK....let's say it was.
Just add the fact that from FDR, to Jimmy Carter, through the Clinton administration and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.....all of the culprits responsible were Democrats.






The Über -Liberal Village Voice had a dynamite expose laying huge slices of blame where it belongs.

1. "There are as many starting points for the mortgage meltdown as there are fears about how far it has yet to go, but one decisive point of departure is the final years of the Clinton administration, when a kid from Queens without any real banking or real-estate experience was the only man in Washington with the power to regulate the giants of home finance, theFederal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), better known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

a. [Democrat] Andrew Cuomo, the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history, made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country's current crisis.





2. [Democrat Cuomo] helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments. He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded "kickbacks" to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans.

3. ... few have noticed that the only federal agency with the power to regulate what Cuomo has called "the gods of Washington" was HUD. Congress granted that power in 1992,.... most analysts have portrayed Fannie and Freddie as if they were unregulated renegades, and rarely mentioned HUD in the ongoing finger-pointing exercise that has ranged, appropriately enough, from Wall Street toAlan Greenspan.

a. .... [Democrat] Cuomo, who did more to set these forces of unregulated expansion in motion than any other secretary and then boasted about it, presenting his initiatives as crusades for racial and social justice.





4. In 2000, Cuomo required a quantum leap in the number of affordable, low-to-moderate-income loans that the two mortgage banks—known collectively as Government Sponsored Enterprises—would have to buy. ... The 1992 law required HUD's secretary to make sure housing goals were being met and, every four years, set new goals for Fannie and Freddie. Cuomo's predecessor, [Democrat] Henry Cisneros, did that for the first time in December 1995, taking a cautious approach and moving the GSEs toward a requirement that 42 percent of their mortgages serve low- and moderate-income families. Cuomo raised that number to 50 percent and dramatically hiked GSE mandates to buy mortgages in underserved neighborhoods and for the "very-low-income." Part of the pitch was racial, with Cuomo contending that Fannie and Freddie weren't granting mortgages to minorities at the same rate as the private market.

5. While many saw this demand for increasingly "flexible" loan terms and standards as a positive step for low-income and minority families, others warned that they could have potentially dangerous consequences... that Cuomo's rules were moving Fannie into risky territory... Fannie's chief financial officer, Timothy Howard, said that "making loans to people with less-than-perfect credit" is "something we should do."

a. Moody's didn't sound an immediate alarm, but its senior analyst, Stanislas Rouyer, said the expansion into subprime loans and the lower level of documentation that came with them could mean that Fannie 's loss levels would increase in the future.

b. Steven Holmes, a reporter from the Times's Washington bureau, wrote at the time: "In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But," he added, "the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, ....




6. .... after Cuomo's previous edict, there had been a sudden spurt of GSE subprime investment, "partly in response to higher affordable-housing goals set by HUD in 2000." Fannie had gone from $1.2 billion in subprime-mortgage and securities purchases in 2000 to $9.2 billion in 2001 and $15 billion in 2002. Freddie's numbers were murkier, but clearly also on the rise. In 2003 alone, the two bought $81 billion in subprime securities—which also count against the goals.

a. .... Fannie also developed a "flexible" product line, providing up to 100 percent financing and requiring borrowers to make as little as a $500 contribution,...

7. The HUD secretary is also required to produce voluminous rules that govern how the GSEs meet those goals, and the 187-page rules Cuomo issued opened the door to abuse. The rules explicitly rejected the idea of imposing any new reporting requirements on the GSEs. In other words, HUD wanted Fannie and Freddie to buy risky loans, but the department didn't want to hear just how risky they were..... caution had been abandoned: "HUD is not establishing any requirements for additional data to carry out this rule." The report explained that the GSEs "objected" to information mandates "related to their purchases of high-cost mortgages," so HUD decided against imposing "an undue additional burden." HUD would have no way of telling how abusive the low-income mortgages it was mandating might be.

8. ..... Cuomo [did I mention he is a Democrat?]... was also being pushed to commit the GSEs to more affordable and, in some cases, riskier loans by consumer organizations—groups like ACORN, which has considerable clout in New York elections. The housing advocates were happy with Cuomo's goal-setting at HUD, but the lax reporting requirements and predatory-lending loopholes suggest who was actually driving his agenda."
Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie - Page 1 - News - New York - Village Voice





So.....lots of folks made beaucoup bucks in the run-up to the Mortgage Meltdown....but at the heart of it....
...Democrat policies.


Don't forget it.



Substituting "social justice" for the restrictions of the free market is what Democrat policies are founded on.
The result is clear.
 
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Another 100% biased thread by PC.
Yep, I didn't read it. I've read enough opinions from people much more qualified than any political hack. A huge majority of economist blame; The Fed, the Dems, the GOP, the banks, unqualified home buyers and Wall Street.
But with PC, noooooo, it's all the Dems fault! When a person is as loyal to an ideology as PC, you're never going to get an objective view on anything that's political.
 
Another 100% biased thread by PC.
Yep, I didn't read it. I've read enough opinions from people much more qualified than any political hack. A huge majority of economist blame; The Fed, the Dems, the GOP, the banks, unqualified home buyers and Wall Street.
But with PC, noooooo, it's all the Dems fault! When a person is as loyal to an ideology as PC, you're never going to get an objective view on anything that's political.



Got to admit it......Liberals have figured out a great time saver:

"Yep, I didn't read it."


Yet...he knows it's incorrect.


These guys are simply brilliant.




He should at least have read enough to see that it was from the Village Voice.....the Liberal Village Voice.



What a maroon.
 
In sum, Democrats ruin the economy by thinking they can make better decisions affecting individuals than can the individuals themselves.
 
Another 100% biased thread by PC.
Yep, I didn't read it. I've read enough opinions from people much more qualified than any political hack. A huge majority of economist blame; The Fed, the Dems, the GOP, the banks, unqualified home buyers and Wall Street.
But with PC, noooooo, it's all the Dems fault! When a person is as loyal to an ideology as PC, you're never going to get an objective view on anything that's political.

Well I read the post. You didn't miss anything. Given that the Clinton administration and Bill Clinton was much to cozy with Wall Street and bought into the deregulation schtick. You don't have to cast Cuomo as the fall guy for this, Larry Summers and a bunch of people who should have known better were pushing it. It was a epic huge mistake in judgment. That is much more apparent now than it was at the time, but some people spotted the problem from the beginning.

Your criticism of PC is spot on. The problem was Wall Street influence in both parties in general, and the "centrist" political strategy of the Clinton administration in particular. So what's the takeaway? I think Obama still doesn't get it. Wall Street doesn't give a shit for systemic risk, they are perfectly willing to let the house burn down as long as they have a clear path to the door with their money. That money was gained by setting fire. Stop making arson profitable, and the fires will stop.
 
Another 100% biased thread by PC.
Yep, I didn't read it. I've read enough opinions from people much more qualified than any political hack. A huge majority of economist blame; The Fed, the Dems, the GOP, the banks, unqualified home buyers and Wall Street.
But with PC, noooooo, it's all the Dems fault! When a person is as loyal to an ideology as PC, you're never going to get an objective view on anything that's political.

Well I read the post. You didn't miss anything. Given that the Clinton administration and Bill Clinton was much to cozy with Wall Street and bought into the deregulation schtick. You don't have to cast Cuomo as the fall guy for this, Larry Summers and a bunch of people who should have known better were pushing it. It was a epic huge mistake in judgment. That is much more apparent now than it was at the time, but some people spotted the problem from the beginning.

Your criticism of PC is spot on. The problem was Wall Street influence in both parties in general, and the "centrist" political strategy of the Clinton administration in particular. So what's the takeaway? I think Obama still doesn't get it. Wall Street doesn't give a shit for systemic risk, they are perfectly willing to let the house burn down as long as they have a clear path to the door with their money. That money was gained by setting fire. Stop making arson profitable, and the fires will stop.



You can get off your knees now.....your Democrat creds have been burnished.

OK...now, stand up and pretend to be a man.



The essence of the OP is simply that Democrat policies are responsible for the mortgage meltdown.

The proof is easily established.....to any with the exception of Democrat dupes....
Clearly you've made that list.



Had the Democrats honored the Constitution, specifically the enumerated powers, then Emperor Franklin the First would not have created Fannie nor Freddie.
To put that another way.....if Democrats had faith in substituting "social justice" for the free market.....why didn't they author an amendment toward that end?


The answer is that, as with every totalitarian government, Democrats mandate whatsoever they wish, laws be damned.



Here is your remedial:
1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.
He created GSE's Fannie and Freddie to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.

2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy

3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA
Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.
Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.

4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.


That's the CliffNotes version.
The OP will provide you with far more details than you can handle.
 
The entire economic crisis was due to the collapse of Mortgage Backed Securities, which undermined the stability of nearly every financial institution in the U.S. This collapse was due to the inherent riskiness of subprime mortgages, which were pushed by the federal government as a way to increase minority home ownership. Most of the proponents were Democrats; however, Bush and the Republicans did little to stop the coming train wreck. :eusa_whistle:
 
The economy hasn't been destroyed, so attempting to find out who did it seems pointless.


When there are more people receiving government hand outs than there are ones who are working, that's not a functioning economy.
 
When there are more people receiving government hand outs than there are ones who are working, that's not a functioning economy.
Lol cue the pet personal definitions of what a functioning economy is.

Where did you get this definition? While studying at Harvard?
 
PC, this is ridiculous. About 3-5 years after Lorenz discovered chaos various economic data sets were tested to see if the economy was chaotic and the answer was yes. While the Ds may be more strongly oriented to a belief in the myth of economic equilibrium that is not in line with their appointments to the Fed and certainly not relative to the turkeys appointed by Republicans. With Brian Arthur as the favorite D economists among wealthy D donors with his contention that the economy is more complex (X + i) than chaotic your position is even more untenable.

If your point is that the GOP uses much simpler but erroneous economic models but is better at execution then you might have a point. However that is not the point you are trying to make.
 
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When there are more people receiving government hand outs than there are ones who are working, that's not a functioning economy.
Lol cue the pet personal definitions of what a functioning economy is.

Where did you get this definition? While studying at Harvard?


blah blah blah...more moonbat mutterings from a moron^^^^
 
Got to admit it......Liberals have figured out a great time saver:

"Yep, I didn't read it."
I read it and you started the clock at the wrong time.

The countdown to meltdown, started with the Reagan tax cuts for the rich.

Clinton's contribution was signing the bill that officially repealed Glass-Steegall.

And it wasn't the housing bubble that caused the collapse, it was the derrivitives market.
 
OHHHH, it was CLINTON. And Republicans could do nothing except invade, tax cuts for the rich, let Americans die for nothing, such powerless people.
 
The entire economic crisis was due to the collapse of Mortgage Backed Securities, which undermined the stability of nearly every financial institution in the U.S. This collapse was due to the inherent riskiness of subprime mortgages, which were pushed by the federal government as a way to increase minority home ownership. Most of the proponents were Democrats; however, Bush and the Republicans did little to stop the coming train wreck. :eusa_whistle:

So were any lenders ever forced to make loans even when they knew that applicants were not qualified?
 
Got to admit it......Liberals have figured out a great time saver:

"Yep, I didn't read it."
I read it and you started the clock at the wrong time.

The countdown to meltdown, started with the Reagan tax cuts for the rich.

Clinton's contribution was signing the bill that officially repealed Glass-Steegall.

And it wasn't the housing bubble that caused the collapse, it was the derrivitives market.
The "sanitized" QE that started when Volcker retired and Greenspan took over is a much better candidate for cause. Starting with the 87 crash and straight through now it has been bubble and bust. By keeping interest rates low savings were discouraged and speculation was encouraged. I realize that this is not used as a talking point by either party but in conjunction with the Japanese experience and now the Chinese experience it fits the facts a lot better than anyone's talking points.
 
Actually it goes all the way back to Carter and his 1977 Community Reinvestment Act. Clinton just supercharged it.
Can Congress Fix A Problem It Caused? - Investors.com
Oh...and a few other familiar faces were around...

"The regulation grew to monstrous proportions during the Clinton administration, obsessed as it was with multiculturalism. Amendments to the CRA in the mid-1990s dramatically raised the amount of home loans to otherwise unqualified low-income borrowers.

The revisions also allowed for the first time the securitization of CRA-regulated loans containing subprime mortgages. The changes came as radical "housing rights" groups led by ACORN lobbied for such loans. ACORN at the time was represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama."


Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Congress Tries To Fix What It Broke - Investors.com
 
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So were any lenders ever forced to make loans even when they knew that applicants were not qualified?
The government never told lenders to relax standard banking procedures when vetting the credit worthiness of applicants.

BTW, most of the defaults, were from private lenders.
 
Paul Krugman in 2002: "Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble."
 

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