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Three very simple words will end this problem with illegal aliens. LOCK AND LOAD.
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An honest desire to end the problem of illegal immigration means that changes must be made in the way Americans live and the way we deal with Mexico. It is entirely unrealistic to permit a third world nation to exist on our doorstep and then wonder why the people of that nation will go to any length to enter the US.
Originally posted by Count Dracula
Three very simple words will end this problem with illegal aliens. LOCK AND LOAD.
syrenn wrote in part:
AND WHY do WE have to lower our standards of life to BRING UP MEXICO'S? Please explain that.
Illegal labor in the US adds an unknown but admittedly huge profit level to US business. Beyond that, it allows some US businesses, especially agriculture, to sell products at prices we would never see if the labor were legal and workplace safety laws were enforced.
RIGHT I know that. AND? I don't care if prices go up to give every illegal working under illegal purposes the boot. Are you saying you WANT to perpetuate the illegal problem, you want to perpetuate the underpaid illegal masses, because you don't want YOUR costs to go up? I am FOR making all of the farm workers LEGAL citizens and giving them federal minimum wage status. BUT they have to come here legally.
Beyond that, illegals who work under false papers (which is most) contribute a healthy $5 Billion per year to the Social Security Trust Fund for benefits they will never collect. If their contributions are halted, Americans will have to face TODAY the problems of overpromising entitlements that most pols and most Americans would rather be drug through a hedge backwards than admit.
I KNOW. And if they all of the illegals worked here legally it would be the same about of money. Ever think of the poor people whose ILLEGALLY used social security number goes though? That is all "income" that the poor ID theft victim must account for and clear up. EVERY illegal who is contributing to SS is a criminal engaging in FRAUD.
Good then we face up to OVER ENTITLEMENTS. (Great wording by the way). What is the problem?
Beyond that, Mexico needs foreign aid from the US and elsewhere. Although programs to redistribute its wealth and develop a decent tax base can take that nation far, they won't go far enough or fast enough. It is not in the best interests of the US to have its next door neighbor starve. I dunno what is so difficult to see about this.
Again why should we redistribute OUR wealth to deal with the immigration problem?
An honest desire to end the problem of illegal immigration means that changes must be made in the way Americans live and the way we deal with Mexico. It is entirely unrealistic to permit a third world nation to exist on our doorstep and then wonder why the people of that nation will go to any length to enter the US.
This simply points up the enormity of the problem, because it makes it seem that we need comprehensive immigration reform before doing the obvious; stop the influx at the border.
Here's a variation of the Bush plan: If the workforce of the same people who enforce job safety (OSHA) on employers was expanded, and then given the added responsibility to go to the job-sites, with the announced and certain purpose to not arrest the illegal immigrants but make them legal, that would allow us deal with it at the point of demand.
They would hand out registration documents that would, within a period limited of time, and with a deadline require them to provide personal information for the purpose of obtaining a tamper proof ID badge which they would be required to wear anytime they were at the place of employment. Eventually, any person not working at jobsites which were predominantly using properly credentialed employees would stand out like a sore thumb and would merit closer scrutiny, because the employer, not the employed would be breaking the law.
That employer should then be given a modest fine; something like $1,000, with a daily re-occurrence of maybe $250. It would be important to not make the fine too high, because that is an excuse to not enforce the law because of it being too burdensom. We need to just make the use of illegals operating outside the system more costly then any benefit to them to use that employee.
Taxes would be paid into a separate SS type account which would remain theirs, and they could take back home if the chose to go there and draw benefits with a reasonable accrual of interest. With their Work-ID they could apply for driver licenses with a "flag" on that license which would signify their status.
To become “naturalized citizens” they would have to go through all the same procedures as any other, and those procedures need to be bucked up, for instance requiring the learning of the English language.
Going back to first priorities; if we stop the flow at the border, then the chaos of crime could be stopped. More legal entry points could be added and people could go back and forth daily, and legally. We need to give those who aren't sufficiently interested in US citizenship a reason and the facility to return.
Still using the old flintlocks? You really should upgrade to one of theseThree very simple words will end this problem with illegal aliens. LOCK AND LOAD.
You lost every last one of those wars, remember?José;2401502 said:Here's another option, Anglo from Hell...Originally posted by Count Dracula
Three very simple words will end this problem with illegal aliens. LOCK AND LOAD.
Get your white ass out of the US occupied Mexican territories while you still have it...
Seeing as I haven't returned and have no intention of doing so
BTW, whatever second rate nation your people crawled away from is welcome to have YOU back
Care to back up that claim?tsalkonocii, the minimum wage law and the social security law has always exempted farm and domestic laborers, as well as restaurant staff.
BTW, I find your murderous intentions towards illegals appalling. If your family were starving and terrified of criminals who murder and commit all forms of mayhem, I imagine you'd do anything possible to get them to safety. Too bad we didn't turn back YOUR folks when they sought to enter the US.
Why do Mexicans leave their homes and come to the US? Because they have no opportunity for a decent life where they live. Crime is rampant. Corruption is rampant. Unbearable poverty is inescapable there. The US, as it always has, promises so much more that breaking the law to get here is worth it -- and for many, it has been a tradition.
No, we cannot absorb the illegals who are here now into our citizenry. We need to deport them....but no matter how vigourously we enforce our immigration laws or secure our borders, we will never end the problem unless we take steps to change Mexico into a habitable place where people are content to remain.
WE CAN NEVER CHANGE MEXICO UNTIL WE STOP THE INCENTIVES THAT BRING THEM HERE. JOBS. WHY WOULD MEXICO CHANGE WHEN WE DO THE JOBS FOR THEM AND THEY GET $35 BILLION SENT TO THEIR ECONOMY EACH YEAR?
The problem is not insoluable. Mexico has the highest GDP of any Latin American nation. What does the US need to do to entice Mexicans to return home and stay there?
DEPORTATION BY ATTRITION.
What would YOU want from your home? Safety. Opportunity. We need to legalize drugs and end the stranglehold of drug crime, and we need to require the Mexican government to adopt social policies that entice illegals to go home. These people need to see the chance of a better life in Mexico, not the US.
WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM IN MY HOME, I DO NOT MOVE INTO SOMEONE ELSES HOME.
That means we'll be paying more for food, as stoop laborers must be paid the minimum wage. But I'd much rather do that than gun down Mexican teenagers and continue to support a Drug War with my taxes that has been a failure for decades.
THAT'S FEAR MONGERING. REPLACE ILLEGAL WITH LEGAL
An honest desire to end the problem of illegal immigration means that changes must be made in the way Americans live and the way we deal with Mexico. It is entirely unrealistic to permit a third world nation to exist on our doorstep and then wonder why the people of that nation will go to any length to enter the US.
MEXICO HAS CHANGED THEY WAY WE LIVE AND THEY KEEP COMING. AFRICA IS AT OUR DOOR STEPS?
Seeing as I haven't returned and have no intention of doing so
BTW, whatever second rate nation your people crawled away from is welcome to have YOU back
My family left those nations to come here for good reasons. I remember those reasons and seek to preserve and further improve the great nation to which they came for a better life. That's what a real American is. A real American remembers what America is and why people came here and why people continue to come here. A real American seeks to preserve this nation and ensure that it remains the greatest nation on Earth- and you can't do that if you stand against national sovereignty and seek to undermine it. You, as someone who despises our sovereignty and seeks to undermine it, are an enemy of this nation and a traitor.
How Can We Solve The Illegal Immigration Problem?
The US should buy Mexico and divide it into 7 States. Then we'll have 57 States.
LilOlLady wrote in part:
WE CAN NEVER CHANGE MEXICO UNTIL WE STOP THE INCENTIVES THAT BRING THEM HERE. JOBS. WHY WOULD MEXICO CHANGE WHEN WE DO THE JOBS FOR THEM AND THEY GET $35 BILLION SENT TO THEIR ECONOMY EACH YEAR?
LilOlLady wrote in part:
AFRICA IS AT OUR DOOR STEPS?
An honest desire to end the problem of illegal immigration means that changes must be made in the way Americans live and the way we deal with Mexico. It is entirely unrealistic to permit a third world nation to exist on our doorstep and then wonder why the people of that nation will go to any length to enter the US.
This simply points up the enormity of the problem, because it makes it seem that we need comprehensive immigration reform before doing the obvious; stop the influx at the border.
Here's a variation of the Bush plan: If the workforce of the same people who enforce job safety (OSHA) on employers was expanded, and then given the added responsibility to go to the job-sites, with the announced and certain purpose to not arrest the illegal immigrants but make them legal, that would allow us deal with it at the point of demand.
They would hand out registration documents that would, within a period limited of time, and with a deadline require them to provide personal information for the purpose of obtaining a tamper proof ID badge which they would be required to wear anytime they were at the place of employment. Eventually, any person not working at jobsites which were predominantly using properly credentialed employees would stand out like a sore thumb and would merit closer scrutiny, because the employer, not the employed would be breaking the law.
That employer should then be given a modest fine; something like $1,000, with a daily re-occurrence of maybe $250. It would be important to not make the fine too high, because that is an excuse to not enforce the law because of it being too burdensom. We need to just make the use of illegals operating outside the system more costly then any benefit to them to use that employee.
Taxes would be paid into a separate SS type account which would remain theirs, and they could take back home if the chose to go there and draw benefits with a reasonable accrual of interest. With their Work-ID they could apply for driver licenses with a "flag" on that license which would signify their status.
To become “naturalized citizens” they would have to go through all the same procedures as any other, and those procedures need to be bucked up, for instance requiring the learning of the English language.
Going back to first priorities; if we stop the flow at the border, then the chaos of crime could be stopped. More legal entry points could be added and people could go back and forth daily, and legally. We need to give those who aren't sufficiently interested in US citizenship a reason and the facility to return.
You have some great ideas, American Horse. But Amnesty for illegals is unrealistic; we cannot absorb 11 to 20 Million new citizens into our midst without bankrupting already stressed social service programs. That may yet happen anyway even though clearly it'd be disaster -- but ask yourself, if Amnesty passes, what deterrant would exist to dissuade any other Mexican from entering the US illegally?
I actually have sympathy for Americans living on the border, watching illegals cross their land and fearing them as any reasonable person would. I have compassion for everyone caught up in this debacle......but I want Mexicans to have a nation they are content to live in.
There doesn't seem to me to be any way around it -- Mexico has to be made habitable for Mexicans, or they will flee.