HIstory unremembered

Bullypulpit

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<center><h1><font color=red>History Unremembered</font></h1></center>

On February 27th, an anniversary passed which has gone, for the most part, unremembered and unremarked.

<blockquote> It started when the government, in the midst of an economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist. Some, like Sefton Delmer - a London Daily Express reporter on the scene - say they certainly did not, while others, like William Shirer, suggest they did.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted.

He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world.

His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones. - <a href=http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm>Common Dreams</a></blockquote>

No, it isn't George W. Bush...But the pattern is disturbingly similar.

I once had a patient whose family was amongst the powerbrokers of pre-WW II Germany, his father had been slain in the "Night of the Long-Knives", Hitler's purging of his opposition. He saw it all, from the burning of the Reichstag, through Hitler's ascendancy to power, through the horrors of WW II, through internment as a German POW.

We didn't talk much prior to the Fall of the World Trade Center. Afterwards though, we began to talk. He spoke of how similar the political events following the Fall were to those which followed on the heels of the burning of the Reichstag. He spoke of how the media lapped up Goerring's propaganda in much the same way the US media now laps up, as if it were manna from heaven, every last gobbet of excrement the Bush administration spews forth. He spoke of how Bush's use of religious language and imagery was like that used by Hitler to justify his actions. "Gott mitt uns."...God is with us.

During that period of history America and Germany, both in dire economic straights, took different courses. Hitler rewared his wealthy supporters with more wealth...allied himself with industry to the detriment of the average person...busted unions...quashed dissent...engaged in ceasless and aggressive nationalistic rhetoric...built up the economy on a mountain of debt and unchecked spending on war.

The US followed a different course with minimum wage laws...aggressive enforcement of anti-trusr laws...increased taxes on corporations and the wealthy...created Social Security...and the WPA to employ hundreds of thousands of Americans to rebuild and renew America's infrastructure.

History gives us a perspective that they didn't have then. We have seen where each path takes us, and we are again at a crossroads. The choice is ours, which course shall we take?

<center><h2><i>Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - George Santayana</i></h2></center>
 
Bullypulpit said:
<center><h1><font color=red>History Unremembered</font></h1></center>

On February 27th, an anniversary passed which has gone, for the most part, unremembered and unremarked.

<blockquote> It started when the government, in the midst of an economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist. Some, like Sefton Delmer - a London Daily Express reporter on the scene - say they certainly did not, while others, like William Shirer, suggest they did.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted.

He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world.

His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones. - <a href=http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm>Common Dreams</a></blockquote>

No, it isn't George W. Bush...But the pattern is disturbingly similar.

I once had a patient whose family was amongst the powerbrokers of pre-WW II Germany, his father had been slain in the "Night of the Long-Knives", Hitler's purging of his opposition. He saw it all, from the burning of the Reichstag, through Hitler's ascendancy to power, through the horrors of WW II, through internment as a German POW.

We didn't talk much prior to the Fall of the World Trade Center. Afterwards though, we began to talk. He spoke of how similar the political events following the Fall were to those which followed on the heels of the burning of the Reichstag. He spoke of how the media lapped up Goerring's propaganda in much the same way the US media now laps up, as if it were manna from heaven, every last gobbet of excrement the Bush administration spews forth. He spoke of how Bush's use of religious language and imagery was like that used by Hitler to justify his actions. "Gott mitt uns."...God is with us.

During that period of history America and Germany, both in dire economic straights, took different courses. Hitler rewared his wealthy supporters with more wealth...allied himself with industry to the detriment of the average person...busted unions...quashed dissent...engaged in ceasless and aggressive nationalistic rhetoric...built up the economy on a mountain of debt and unchecked spending on war.

The US followed a different course with minimum wage laws...aggressive enforcement of anti-trusr laws...increased taxes on corporations and the wealthy...created Social Security...and the WPA to employ hundreds of thousands of Americans to rebuild and renew America's infrastructure.

History gives us a perspective that they didn't have then. We have seen where each path takes us, and we are again at a crossroads. The choice is ours, which course shall we take?

<center><h2><i>Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - George Santayana</i></h2></center>
Thanks for the laugh....

Do you actually believe the crap you spew?
 
Bullypulpit said:
<center><h1><font color=red>History Unremembered</font></h1></center>

On February 27th, an anniversary passed which has gone, for the most part, unremembered and unremarked.

<blockquote> It started when the government, in the midst of an economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist. Some, like Sefton Delmer - a London Daily Express reporter on the scene - say they certainly did not, while others, like William Shirer, suggest they did.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted.

He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world.

His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones. - <a href=http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm>Common Dreams</a></blockquote>

No, it isn't George W. Bush...But the pattern is disturbingly similar.

I once had a patient whose family was amongst the powerbrokers of pre-WW II Germany, his father had been slain in the "Night of the Long-Knives", Hitler's purging of his opposition. He saw it all, from the burning of the Reichstag, through Hitler's ascendancy to power, through the horrors of WW II, through internment as a German POW.

We didn't talk much prior to the Fall of the World Trade Center. Afterwards though, we began to talk. He spoke of how similar the political events following the Fall were to those which followed on the heels of the burning of the Reichstag. He spoke of how the media lapped up Goerring's propaganda in much the same way the US media now laps up, as if it were manna from heaven, every last gobbet of excrement the Bush administration spews forth. He spoke of how Bush's use of religious language and imagery was like that used by Hitler to justify his actions. "Gott mitt uns."...God is with us.

During that period of history America and Germany, both in dire economic straights, took different courses. Hitler rewared his wealthy supporters with more wealth...allied himself with industry to the detriment of the average person...busted unions...quashed dissent...engaged in ceasless and aggressive nationalistic rhetoric...built up the economy on a mountain of debt and unchecked spending on war.

The US followed a different course with minimum wage laws...aggressive enforcement of anti-trusr laws...increased taxes on corporations and the wealthy...created Social Security...and the WPA to employ hundreds of thousands of Americans to rebuild and renew America's infrastructure.

History gives us a perspective that they didn't have then. We have seen where each path takes us, and we are again at a crossroads. The choice is ours, which course shall we take?

<center><h2><i>Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - George Santayana</i></h2></center>

Do you mean to actually say that the ultra Liberal media in the US "LAPS UP" everything coming out of the Presidents mouth. What planet or plane of existance are you linving in. At every turn of the page our administration has to fend off the liberal media.

Where was all your spewing when Clinton bombed Afganastan to take the heat off his hummer??? Oh wait you were probably "not inhaling" with him....... :gross2:

Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Trigg said:
Do you mean to actually say that the ultra Liberal media in the US "LAPS UP" everything coming out of the Presidents mouth. What planet or plane of existance are you linving in. At every turn of the page our administration has to fend off the liberal media.

Where was all your spewing when Clinton bombed Afganastan to take the heat off his hummer??? Oh wait you were probably "not inhaling" with him....... :gross2:

Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought it was Iraq, not afghanistan.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
I thought it was Iraq, not afghanistan.
Hell he bombed so many places while in office its hard to keep track. but hey the liberals dont want to talk about that do they?????
 
Trigg said:
Hell he bombed so many places while in office its hard to keep track. but hey the liberals dont want to talk about that do they?????
only when they feel it applies i guess.
 
Trigg said:
Hell he bombed so many places while in office its hard to keep track. but hey the liberals dont want to talk about that do they?????


The chemical facility was in Sudan.
 
CSM said:
Thanks for the laugh....

Do you actually believe the crap you spew?

Why don't you address the issues raised? Never mind...that's a rhetorical question.

You're incapable of addressing the issues, so you change the subject. As a matter of fact, I would be thrilled if all Dubbyuh did was get BJ's in the Oval Office. It'd keep the testosterone from backing up into his brain, and distract him from doing any more harm than he's already done.
 
Trigg said:
Do you mean to actually say that the ultra Liberal media in the US "LAPS UP" everything coming out of the Presidents mouth. What planet or plane of existance are you linving in. At every turn of the page our administration has to fend off the liberal media.

Where was all your spewing when Clinton bombed Afganastan to take the heat off his hummer??? Oh wait you were probably "not inhaling" with him....... :gross2:

Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it's a nice idea, but there is no "ultra Liberal" media in the US. Simply a lazy, syncophantic media interested only keeping their cushy desk jobs and not rocking the boat. But golly...Ya know, real boats rock.
 
Sir Evil said:
what harm do you speak of Bully?

All you need do is look around. The crumbling infrastructure and social safety net at home...Spirallling federal budget deficits...Higher state and local taxes and fees...a quagmire in Iraq...the falling dollar...the ballooning foreign trade deficit...Osama bin Laden still at large...a failing state in Afghanistan...terrorist incidents actually increasing around the world...There's so much more, but i have to get ready for work.

What I find disturbing is the unwillingness to even consider that we may be headed down the path to a fascism by so many. Well, when the excrement intersects the fan blades, can't say I didn't tell ya so.
 
Bullypulpit said:
Why don't you address the issues raised? Never mind...that's a rhetorical question.

You're incapable of addressing the issues, so you change the subject. As a matter of fact, I would be thrilled if all Dubbyuh did was get BJ's in the Oval Office. It'd keep the testosterone from backing up into his brain, and distract him from doing any more harm than he's already done.

You raised no issue again, why is that so hard for you to comprehend? Kristallnacht and George Bush? Don't you see that this comparison relegates you to obscurity and foolishness? Come on we are trying to discuss factual topics here, get with the program.
 
Bullypulpit said:
social safety net at home

This one is telling, do you need a social safety net? Are you not man enough to stand on your own two feet without government?

The rest was claptrap.
 
Bullypulpit said:
All you need do is look around. The crumbling infrastructure and social safety net at home...Spirallling federal budget deficits...Higher state and local taxes and fees...a quagmire in Iraq...the falling dollar...the ballooning foreign trade deficit...Osama bin Laden still at large...a failing state in Afghanistan...terrorist incidents actually increasing around the world...There's so much more, but i have to get ready for work.

What I find disturbing is the unwillingness to even consider that we may be headed down the path to a fascism by so many. Well, when the excrement intersects the fan blades, can't say I didn't tell ya so.

First, cant really look around and see things that arent problems Bully

Second, if anything the President is leading us away from a fascist state. We are moving away from socialism whether in the form of communism or fascism. The accusation that we are anywhere near fascism is laughable.
 
OCA said:
You raised no issue again, why is that so hard for you to comprehend? Kristallnacht and George Bush? Don't you see that this comparison relegates you to obscurity and foolishness? Come on we are trying to discuss factual topics here, get with the program.

You relegate yourself to irrelevance if you aren't even willing to consider the possibility. As for factual topics, I'm not quite sure you have a firm grasp on just what that is. Dismissed.
 
ok ok ok.....

hitler and the US political system:

hitler used the poor, the disenfranchised and religion against the wealthy jews to unite the superior master race to committ genocide on the wealthy and anyone that opposed their crusade

damn if this doesn't sound like the aclu, teddy, johhny and brabara to me
 
Bullypulpit said:
You relegate yourself to irrelevance if you aren't even willing to consider the possibility. As for factual topics, I'm not quite sure you have a firm grasp on just what that is. Dismissed.

There is no road to fascism in the U.S., its an attempt to bring attention to yourself by using the term "fascism". Tell me what rights have you personally lost under this creeping fascism?

Bully we will not consider your childish calls for attention, you need a friend.
 

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