Hey Libs!

[Dot Com]

Ummm.....whats "The Factor"? You mean that reich-wing, kool-aid drinking, program on a network owned by a foreigner (Murdoch)? LOLOL

You do realize Inside Edition is on another network?

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[Vast LWC]

You can be sure as hell that low Cap Gains Taxes aren't creating American jobs.

Wrong but whatever.

I didn't say that capital gains tax reductions CANNOT help create American jobs.

I said capital gains tax reductions ARE NOT creating American jobs.

There's a difference.

Right now, capital gains tax reductions are creating jobs IN INDIA, not in the US.

Unless we have a system of capital gains tax reductions that only rewards investment in AMERICAN jobs, we may as well not have any reductions at all.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You can be sure as hell that low Cap Gains Taxes aren't creating American jobs.

Wrong but whatever.

I didn't say that capital gains tax reductions CANNOT help create American jobs.

I said capital gains tax reductions ARE NOT creating American jobs.

There's a difference.

Right now, capital gains tax reductions are creating jobs IN INDIA, not in the US.

Unless we have a system of capital gains tax reductions that only rewards investment in AMERICAN jobs, we may as well not have any reductions at all.

Accuracy as with honesty is the best policy..
Cap Gains tax rates have little to do with job creation or companies electing to provide employment in foreign countries.
That is usually in the arena of Corporate Taxes. The US has the highest corporate tax rate(35%) of any industrialized nation. US businesses are among the most heavily regulated in the modern world. The US has foolishly( IMO) entered into free trade agreements with nations with inferior economies. We have ,thanks to Richard Nixon extended "most favored nation" trade status to China.
Most of the complaining about "jobs going overseas" is just that, complaining.
Truth is other countries which are succeeding in manufacturing, simply get the job done faster and cheaper. Unions that once represented manufacturing workers in the US share a large part of the blame because it is those unions which drove the cost of labor to non-competitive levels.
Our federal government is responsible for the anti-business climate which generally means anti-job issues seen for the last 30 years.
Neither party is innocent on this one.

 

[Dot Com]

Ummm.....whats "The Factor"? You mean that reich-wing, kool-aid drinking, program on a network owned by a foreigner (Murdoch)? LOLOL

Antone know who that is in the above gif?

 

[Vast LWC]

Accuracy as with honesty is the best policy..
Cap Gains tax rates have little to do with job creation or companies electing to provide employment in foreign countries.
That is usually in the arena of Corporate Taxes. The US has the highest corporate tax rate(35%) of any industrialized nation. US businesses are among the most heavily regulated in the modern world. The US has foolishly( IMO) entered into free trade agreements with nations with inferior economies. We have ,thanks to Richard Nixon extended "most favored nation" trade status to China.
Most of the complaining about "jobs going overseas" is just that, complaining.
Truth is other countries which are succeeding in manufacturing, simply get the job done faster and cheaper. Unions that once represented manufacturing workers in the US share a large part of the blame because it is those unions which drove the cost of labor to non-competitive levels.
Our federal government is responsible for the anti-business climate which generally means anti-job issues seen for the last 30 years.
Neither party is innocent on this one.

So, you believe that the only right thing for America would be for American workers to be paid $4.00 a week, with no worker protections, like in southeast Asia, or sub-Saharan Africa?

Just following the logic of that post to it's conclusion...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Accuracy as with honesty is the best policy..
Cap Gains tax rates have little to do with job creation or companies electing to provide employment in foreign countries.
That is usually in the arena of Corporate Taxes. The US has the highest corporate tax rate(35%) of any industrialized nation. US businesses are among the most heavily regulated in the modern world. The US has foolishly( IMO) entered into free trade agreements with nations with inferior economies. We have ,thanks to Richard Nixon extended "most favored nation" trade status to China.
Most of the complaining about "jobs going overseas" is just that, complaining.
Truth is other countries which are succeeding in manufacturing, simply get the job done faster and cheaper. Unions that once represented manufacturing workers in the US share a large part of the blame because it is those unions which drove the cost of labor to non-competitive levels.
Our federal government is responsible for the anti-business climate which generally means anti-job issues seen for the last 30 years.
Neither party is innocent on this one.

So, you believe that the only right thing for America would be for American workers to be paid $4.00 a week, with no worker protections, like in southeast Asia, or sub-Saharan Africa?

Just following the logic of that post to it's conclusion...

I am not going to dignify that with a response.

When you can fiogure out how to conduct a logical and reasonable discussion, please let me know

 

[sitarro]

Well in my thread..I posted the article from the Times. GE has actually been firing lots of Americans and hiring overseas.

GE is getting some pretty big contracts through the Obama Administration.

They've got the contract for all of the new electric car charging stations to be used with GM cars and they got the contract for the new health care bill's electronic records system. They also make those stupid florescent bulbs that are being exchanged for all of the incandescent bulbs that are now being outlawed.

Billions for friends of Obama.

Generally that's how things are done by all Presidents..GT is right.

I don't necessarily have a "problem" with it so long as it is used to promote American prosperity for Americans.

Once again, a "progressive" compares the asshole that ran on HOPE and CHANGE with all of the other political hack Presidents.......... I thought those of you that put this shit stain in office did so because he was different......better........ you now accept this empty suit for who he actually is........ I see. The truth is you voted for this clown because he is semi-black and that somehow makes you feel better about yourselves. You fancy being the "open minded intellectuals" that pretend that they don't pay attention to the color of a person's skin when in actuality, it's the most important thing about them. What racist idiots.

 

[Seawytch]

GE is getting some pretty big contracts through the Obama Administration.

They've got the contract for all of the new electric car charging stations to be used with GM cars and they got the contract for the new health care bill's electronic records system. They also make those stupid florescent bulbs that are being exchanged for all of the incandescent bulbs that are now being outlawed.

Billions for friends of Obama.

Generally that's how things are done by all Presidents..GT is right.

I don't necessarily have a "problem" with it so long as it is used to promote American prosperity for Americans.

Once again, a "progressive" compares the asshole that ran on HOPE and CHANGE with all of the other political hack Presidents.......... I thought those of you that put this shit stain in office did so because he was different......better........ you now accept this empty suit for who he actually is........ I see. The truth is you voted for this clown because he is semi-black and that somehow makes you feel better about yourselves. You fancy being the "open minded intellectuals" that pretend that they don't pay attention to the color of a person's skin when in actuality, it's the most important thing about them. What racist idiots.

And who is it that you think the President is?

I did not vote for President Obama because of the color of his skin, but for his platform, his intelligence, his background as a Constitutional scholar and his calm even handedness. I wanted a thoughtful President that wanted to do what was best for this country and who would use a careful and deliberative approach to foreign policy, not the "shoot 'em up" cowboy approach that had dominated during the previous administration.

Is he the ideal candidate I would have chosen as a progressive? No, but I'm also a realist and the time has not come for a truly progressive President. President Obama ran on a history of reaching out and of bipartisanship and I truly think he tried. His failings have come in giving WAY to much credit for reasonableness to the opposing political party and for not bragging enough on his accomplishments (which are pretty incredible...especially in the face of such historic obstructionism).

 

[peach174]

Well I don't think Obama and his group that he brought in with him as Constitutional scholars are very good for this nation. They all are searching for ways to get around our Constitution (loopholes) instead of abiding by our constitution.

 

[Seawytch]

Well I don't think Obama and his group that he brought in with him as Constitutional scholars are very good for this nation. They all are searching for ways to get around our Constitution (loopholes) instead of abiding by our constitution.

Can you cite some examples?

 

[Vast LWC]

I am not going to dignify that with a response.

When you can fiogure out how to conduct a logical and reasonable discussion, please let me know

Right.... So pointing out the obvious, that other countries are stealing our jobs because they have ridiculously low rates of pay and no worker protections, something that we would never be able to compensate for, is "unreasonable" and "illogical"...

But attributing American job loss to some "Anti-Business" climate, when corporate profits are at all-time highs, or to Unions, is perfectly reasonable.

That's interesting...

 

[peach174]

Well I don't think Obama and his group that he brought in with him as Constitutional scholars are very good for this nation. They all are searching for ways to get around our Constitution (loopholes) instead of abiding by our constitution.

Can you cite some examples?

How about the most recent? Went to UN to bomb Libya,did not ask congress, changed the meaning of the word war to humanitarian interest, that sort of thing. (Loophole)

 

[bripat9643]

How am I going down the road of hypocrisy by pointing out they indeed employ a lot of Americans and in fact pay a shit load in payroll taxes...?

If we were discussing Exxon, you would be denouncing them.

 

[bripat9643]

I have no problem with anyone making lots and lots of money.

Right, so long as you and the criminals in Congress can confiscate almost all of it.

Who do you think you're fooling?

But if you understand that all markets are constructed, you are off to a clear start.

"Constructed" is exactly the opposite of what makes a market.

A true free market 'could' exist, or may have existed in the distant past in a local economy where all goods are locally produced and every participant lives in the same area, shares the same air, water and food source. Then the urge to cheat your neighbors would be self moderated. And any outlier would be ostracized.

You have no conception of what a free market is. Please tell us your definition. I'm dying to know.

Then an understanding of cost externalization will help you comprehend what our founding fathers believed; you can't get rich on the American people by making other Americans poor. When costs are externalized, it is a form of socialism. When that happens, it breaking the rules of a free market.

The fallacies you spout in single sentence would take several chapters of a book to explain.

Do you understand any of this, or do I need to explain?

Please do. I need a good laugh.

 

[bripat9643]

No they haven't. That's a myth. When a progressive tax was enacted in the 40s the US saw unprecendented growth, infrastructure creation and the rise of a middle class.

Your "progressive" tax was enacted in 1930. What happened then, a decade of prosperity?

After the war the U.S. prospered because the rest of the industrialized world had been bombed into the stone age.

 

[bripat9643]

Your chart makes it clear that tax rates began a steep climb at the beginning of the Great Depression. I suppose you think that's just a coincidence. Right?

Really? How do you think we paid for the Great Depression and WWII...selling Girl Scout cookies?

I'm being benevolent by calling for a temporary tax. Maybe we should make it permanent.

 

[bripat9643]

The only "opportunity" that the right has provided was the ability to work in terrible and unsafe conditions and the opportunity to have an early and painful death.

And they are trying to do it again.

Ask Arizona governor Jan Brewer about that. She's got 2 notches on her death panel belt.

I'll be you hold them responsible for the Black Plague too, right?

 

[Seawytch]

Well I don't think Obama and his group that he brought in with him as Constitutional scholars are very good for this nation. They all are searching for ways to get around our Constitution (loopholes) instead of abiding by our constitution.

Can you cite some examples?

How about the most recent? Went to UN to bomb Libya,did not ask congress, changed the meaning of the word war to humanitarian interest, that sort of thing. (Loophole)

Okay, but wouldn't that make everything we've done since WWII unconstitutional? What he did was consistent with actions made by every president since Nixon and their interpretations of the War Power Act.

Look at precedent, not the President.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I am not going to dignify that with a response.

When you can fiogure out how to conduct a logical and reasonable discussion, please let me know

Right.... So pointing out the obvious, that other countries are stealing our jobs because they have ridiculously low rates of pay and no worker protections, something that we would never be able to compensate for, is "unreasonable" and "illogical"...

But attributing American job loss to some "Anti-Business" climate, when corporate profits are at all-time highs, or to Unions, is perfectly reasonable.

That's interesting...

no one is stealing anything. It's called competition.
Please spare me the pro-union "work rules, wages and protections" mantra. It's boring.
Blame our federal government. In their haste to defer to foreign interests, while holding onto the myth that free trade will lift third world economies making all wealthy, manufacturing has taken it in the shorts here. Why? Because federal policies have made it easier for US Based businesses to build and operate plants outside the borders of the US.
Free trade sucks. We need fair trade.
The Left wing kooks thought by allowing business to go over the borders it would result in poor nations raising living standards and there would be one big happy free trade zone. Once again the Law of Unintended Consequences has struck.
One thing though, American manufacturing in some industries began circling the bowl 30 years ago. This occurred because unions refused to relent on their demands for higher wages and even more generous benefits. Piss poor management is to blame as well. Companies started trading publicly and what was once a business that cared about making a good product cared only about the price of their stock.
The of course we can point a finger at the federal government again with it's overbearing regulations and high corporate taxes.
Jobs are not being stolen. Jobs have been disappearing.
There are those who believe we should throw confiscatory tariffs on foreign goods that are also made here. Well the tariffs on Brazilian sugar cane are an indication that trade wars benefit no one. And hurt American consumers 100% of the time.
Don't go tooting the union horn here. It won't get you any points.