Hey Haiti,Indonesia. How Bout A Little Gratitude?

[High_Gravity]

I think women on welfare and food stamps should give tax paying citizens lap dances to show their appreciations.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I think women on welfare and food stamps should give tax paying citizens lap dances to show their appreciations.

lol! Cool. I'll just settle for a simple Thank You once and awhile. So many Welfare recipients in the U.S. really do feel they deserve their Food Stamps and Welfare Checks. They never think about who pays for their handouts. And it is the Left who has encouraged their ignorance. Nothing is for free. Someone always pays. Welfare Checks & Food Stamps cost and it's hard working Taxpayers who pay. So how bout a Thank You once and awhile? Is that really so much to ask?

Most of these people really do believe they deserve their Welfare and are entitled. If anything,you see these people usually whining & complaining about everything. So many ingrates. It really is very sad. This is the side of the story that's never discussed or reported on in the Media. They should start covering this side more often and maybe then people would be more gracious and grateful. Not PC enough for em i guess so they just continue on with their stale blah blah blah. It kind of pisses you off when you really think about it.

 

[Ropey]

America gives billions to Egypt, Pakistan and Yemen each year and their citizens hate us with a passion.

Bingo! Yea don't hold your breath waiting for a Thank You from those assholes. Like so many in the World,it's just take take take for them.

I think we're the only country in the world that gives billions to countries that wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.

Giving the money creates a subservient attitude and a passionate outpouring of the people of those countries since they never see the money they know is coming. They feel marginalized. And rightly so to my view.

America will move from this old world method in the coming years. In time, all countries will need to stand on their own with their resources and look to their own protection from bordering countries and their natural enemies will come to the forefront. So, don't think war will be over when America "steps back". It will increase, not decrease just as it did when Russia left their arena. Those who hate but who were controlled by those countries gaining American 'Aid" will move back to fomenting their hate on those they hate.

Paying people to stop killing each other might be a panacea, but sooner or later...

The infrastructure of Capitalist America is "Capital". That's where the control is and where it is brought to bear on other countries. Let's face it, America is not a Democratic Capitalist Society. It is a Capitalist Democratic Society.

That was clear when the Fed came to Bush, just as clear now as it comes to Obama and will be just as clear when the next president is elected and the Fed comes to talk with the new president.

Now with Rome, it was the roads. The old statement, "All Roads Lead to Rome" meant that the infrastructure of the finances of Rome was created on those roads, and so it was necessary to maintain their control of that arena to allow for transfer of goods and people unhindered. When Rome could not maintain their control of their empiric infrastructure, the empire ended.

Then came the waterways and the fight for the control of the waterways began. England won and created an empire based on the water infrastructure.

They lost that control and receded in a move that began after the end of WWII, where America took this control over. It was solidified by the seventies after the OPEC oil embargo and the full weight of the American Middle Eastern Oil Hegemony as well as worldwide shipping in the American waterways.

This is beginning to recede now. But I would not discount America innovating in the new move that is happening which is not only global but also border exclusive.

Free trade agreements between countries that are not bordered will be much more frequent in the upcoming years.

I put my money on America still. The countries that are now being supported and funded by Capitalist America will have to stand up on their own and deal with their own issues.

I hope to see the entire Middle East lose funding as well. Israel included as I believe that this financial connection is not healthy for Israel.

However, this will (I believe) take decades and maybe a generation as the Hegemony is still far too great a money generator for America to let go of and let's be clear, America went to Defcon 3 with Russia over their Israel / Egypt proxies. Russia declined and left. America intends to maintain this Hegemony militarily at the very least.

It is Americas Hegemony. I do not believe they will let it go simply to please factions that are just beginning to grow angry at their control.

Kind of like:

So...

 

[High_Gravity]

I think women on welfare and food stamps should give tax paying citizens lap dances to show their appreciations.

lol! Cool. I'll just settle for a simple Thank You once and awhile. So many Welfare recipients in the U.S. really do feel they deserve their Food Stamps and Welfare Checks. They never think about who pays for their handouts. And it is the Left who has encouraged their ignorance. Nothing is for free. Someone always pays. Welfare Checks & Food Stamps cost and it's hard working Taxpayers who pay. So how bout a Thank You once and awhile? Is that really so much to ask?

Most of these people really do believe they deserve their Welfare and are entitled. If anything,you see these people usually whining & complaining about everything. So many ingrates. It really is very sad. This is the side of the story that's never discussed or reported on in the Media. They should start covering this side more often and maybe then people would be more gracious and grateful. Not PC enough for em i guess so they just continue on with their stale blah blah blah. It kind of pisses you off when you really think about it.

I don't think a simple lap dance is too much to ask for free food and room and board, I wanna make it rain.

 

[High_Gravity]

Bingo! Yea don't hold your breath waiting for a Thank You from those assholes. Like so many in the World,it's just take take take for them.

I think we're the only country in the world that gives billions to countries that wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.

Giving the money creates a subservient attitude and a passionate outpouring of the people of those countries since they never see the money they know is coming. They feel marginalized. And rightly so to my view.

America will move from this old world method in the coming years. In time, all countries will need to stand on their own with their resources and look to their own protection from bordering countries and their natural enemies will come to the forefront. So, don't think war will be over when America "steps back". It will increase, not decrease just as it did when Russia left their arena. Those who hate but who were controlled by those countries gaining American 'Aid" will move back to fomenting their hate on those they hate.

Paying people to stop killing each other might be a panacea, but sooner or later...

The infrastructure of Capitalist America is "Capital". That's where the control is and where it is brought to bear on other countries. Let's face it, America is not a Democratic Capitalist Society. It is a Capitalist Democratic Society.

That was clear when the Fed came to Bush, just as clear now as it comes to Obama and will be just as clear when the next president is elected and the Fed comes to talk with the new president.

Now with Rome, it was the roads. The old statement, "All Roads Lead to Rome" meant that the infrastructure of the finances of Rome was created on those roads, and so it was necessary to maintain their control of that arena to allow for transfer of goods and people unhindered. When Rome could not maintain their control of their empiric infrastructure, the empire ended.

Then came the waterways and the fight for the control of the waterways began. England won and created an empire based on the water infrastructure.

They lost that control and receded in a move that began after the end of WWII, where America took this control over. It was solidified by the seventies after the OPEC oil embargo and the full weight of the American Middle Eastern Oil Hegemony as well as worldwide shipping in the American waterways.

This is beginning to recede now. But I would not discount America innovating in the new move that is happening which is not only global but also border exclusive.

Free trade agreements between countries that are not bordered will be much more frequent in the upcoming years.

I put my money on America still. The countries that are now being supported and funded by Capitalist America will have to stand up on their own and deal with their own issues.

I hope to see the entire Middle East lose funding as well. Israel included as I believe that this financial connection is not healthy for Israel.

However, this will (I believe) take decades and maybe a generation as the Hegemony is still far too great a money generator for America to let go of and let's be clear, America went to Defcon 3 with Russia over their Israel / Egypt proxies. Russia declined and left. America intends to maintain this Hegemony militarily at the very least.

It is Americas Hegemony. I do not believe they will let it go simply to please factions that are just beginning to grow angry at their control.

Kind of like:

So...

Ropey the billions they give Pakistan every year to combat "terrorism", that all goes to line the pockets of their leaders and I know some of that money finds its way to the pockets of the Taliban. Its really a sad joke, the money that we give Egypt just goes into Husni Mubaraks bank account and to their army, the people don't see jack shit. How far would these countries make it without our hands out? Egypt has been getting US aid for decades, #2 behind Israel.

 

[xotoxi]

What has happened to graciousness and gratitude in our World? All you see on the News is people whining & complaining about Aid being too slowly delivered to these nations suffering from natural disasters. But what about all the generous $Billions in Aid that is being given to these nations? Who do people think pay for this Aid? It's the hard-working Taxpayers from many Nations all over the World who pay for these $Billions in Aid. These $Billions don't just magically appear. It's real people who are giving their money to help. I still haven't seen nations like Indonesia or North Korea ever give an official Thank You for all the Aid that has been given to them over the years. My God,all we get from North Korea is more missile tests and threats of Nuclear Annihilation.

So how did we come to this? Why so many ingrates? Everyone just wants to take take take but never express gratitude. Just a little Thank You once and awhile really would go a long way. All we seem to get is more whining & complaining though. I guess i do blame the Left Wingers for this. They have created and encouraged an attitude of 'Entitlement.' Most around the World now just assume they're entitled to their $Billions in Aid and therefore don't ever have to express gratitude for it. Real people pay for this Aid though and certainly deserve some respect & gratitude. Instead all they receive is a big slap in the face. I do believe the Left Wingers have encouraged this mentality. No one is entitled to anything. Good people give Aid to these people in need but no one is entitled to it. So for once i would like to see these nations publicly give thanks to those who have helped them in their time of need. More whining & complaining doesn't exactly encourage more people to help anyway. Just a little thanks would be nice. So how bout it North Korea,Africa,Haiti,and Indonesia?

Haiti to USA: 'Thank you, thank you': The Swamp

Obama spoke for about 30y minutes with President Rene Preval this morning, according to the White House, and told the Haitian leader that "the world has been devastated by the loss and suffering in Haiti.'' Obama pledged full U.S. support.


Preval said "the needs are great, that relief is now flowing in to the people of Haiti'' and noted that support that has come from both the U.S. and many other nations.


Preval closed with a message to the American people, according to the White House: "From the bottom of my heart and on behalf of the Haitian people, thank you, thank you, thank you."

The Haitian Government would have written their thank you as an official proclamation, however their laser printer was destroyed during the earthquake and all of their elegant stationary was saturated with water.

Libpocalyps - care to comment?

 

[Ropey]

Ropey the billions they give Pakistan every year to combat "terrorism", that all goes to line the pockets of their leaders and I know some of that money finds its way to the pockets of the Taliban. Its really a sad joke, the money that we give Egypt just goes into Husni Mubaraks bank account and to their army, the people don't see jack shit. How far would these countries make it without our hands out? Egypt has been getting US aid for decades, #2 behind Israel.

Oh, I agree with you HG. Once the funds stop, then the governments will finally have to stand to their people.

How they will do that remains the question. What do you think will happen?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

What has happened to graciousness and gratitude in our World? All you see on the News is people whining & complaining about Aid being too slowly delivered to these nations suffering from natural disasters. But what about all the generous $Billions in Aid that is being given to these nations? Who do people think pay for this Aid? It's the hard-working Taxpayers from many Nations all over the World who pay for these $Billions in Aid. These $Billions don't just magically appear. It's real people who are giving their money to help. I still haven't seen nations like Indonesia or North Korea ever give an official Thank You for all the Aid that has been given to them over the years. My God,all we get from North Korea is more missile tests and threats of Nuclear Annihilation.

So how did we come to this? Why so many ingrates? Everyone just wants to take take take but never express gratitude. Just a little Thank You once and awhile really would go a long way. All we seem to get is more whining & complaining though. I guess i do blame the Left Wingers for this. They have created and encouraged an attitude of 'Entitlement.' Most around the World now just assume they're entitled to their $Billions in Aid and therefore don't ever have to express gratitude for it. Real people pay for this Aid though and certainly deserve some respect & gratitude. Instead all they receive is a big slap in the face. I do believe the Left Wingers have encouraged this mentality. No one is entitled to anything. Good people give Aid to these people in need but no one is entitled to it. So for once i would like to see these nations publicly give thanks to those who have helped them in their time of need. More whining & complaining doesn't exactly encourage more people to help anyway. Just a little thanks would be nice. So how bout it North Korea,Africa,Haiti,and Indonesia?

Haiti to USA: 'Thank you, thank you': The Swamp

Obama spoke for about 30y minutes with President Rene Preval this morning, according to the White House, and told the Haitian leader that "the world has been devastated by the loss and suffering in Haiti.'' Obama pledged full U.S. support.


Preval said "the needs are great, that relief is now flowing in to the people of Haiti'' and noted that support that has come from both the U.S. and many other nations.


Preval closed with a message to the American people, according to the White House: "From the bottom of my heart and on behalf of the Haitian people, thank you, thank you, thank you."

The Haitian Government would have written their thank you as an official proclamation, however their laser printer was destroyed during the earthquake and all of their elegant stationary was saturated with water.

Libpocalyps - care to comment?

I didn't see their Thank You and i doubt most Americans have either. I've only seen mostly whining & complaining. Maybe they should try again. I'm not singling Haiti out either. There are many many other nations around this World who just take take take and never express gratitude. I just wish the Media and others would make that a News Story once and awhile. All we seem to get from them is the same ole stale blah blah blah about how Aid isn't getting to people fast enough and how it's never enough. Maybe they should try covering the other side of the story once and awhile? People do try to help but all they seem to get are constant slaps in the face. That's not exactly encouraging people to help more. Just a little gratitude. I don't think that's too much to ask.

 

[High_Gravity]

Ropey the billions they give Pakistan every year to combat "terrorism", that all goes to line the pockets of their leaders and I know some of that money finds its way to the pockets of the Taliban. Its really a sad joke, the money that we give Egypt just goes into Husni Mubaraks bank account and to their army, the people don't see jack shit. How far would these countries make it without our hands out? Egypt has been getting US aid for decades, #2 behind Israel.

Oh, I agree with you HG. Once the funds stop, then the governments will finally have to stand to their people.

How they will do that remains the question. What do you think will happen?

Well the US is in trouble now, we can barely afford to keep things running now we have entire cities like Detroit and states like California going to hell. I think once we pull out of Iraq completely and start winding down in Afghanistan, the aid will start to decrease especially to Pakistan because we will need them less, and once we are out of Afghanistan hopefully we just shut the tap off to Pakistan completely, their country is useless.

 

[Ropey]

I asked you what you think will happen thought HG. What do you think will happen in Pakistan when the aid and American intervention stops?

 

[High_Gravity]

I asked you what you think will happen thought HG. What do you think will happen in Pakistan when the aid and American intervention stops?

Well right now Pakistan is using some of that money to appease the Militants in that country, Pakistan will have 2 choices to either do more to appease the radicals in that country or try and be serious and deal with them Militarily, although I think its pretty much too late for that. The religious fundamentalists are the very fabric of that country.

 

[xotoxi]

Haiti to USA: 'Thank you, thank you': The Swamp

The Haitian Government would have written their thank you as an official proclamation, however their laser printer was destroyed during the earthquake and all of their elegant stationary was saturated with water.

Libpocalyps - care to comment?

I didn't see their Thank You and i doubt most Americans have either. I've only seen mostly whining & complaining.

Well...now you've seen their thank you. I'm not sure what exactly you want besides that. A personal call? A full page add in the NYT or the paper of your choice? A 30 minute infomercial?

And it's rather ironic that you've created a thread whining and complaining about how these countries are whining and complaining.

 

[Ropey]

The religious fundamentalists are the very fabric of that country.

Indeed. The war comes to Pakistan when the funds stop. I agree that the funds have to stop. Appeasement and placation never seem to work in the long term.

They are simply a panacea...

 

[High_Gravity]

The religious fundamentalists are the very fabric of that country.

Indeed. The war comes to Pakistan when the funds stop. I agree that the funds have to stop. Appeasement and placation never seem to work in the long term.

They are simply a panacea...

Pakistan has built itself on Islam, nothing else. Their country was started out with money from the Saudis and the US ironically even though most Pakistanis despise the US. Pakistani Politicians can't even stand up for equal rights for Christians without being massacred, that country is finished.

 

[GHook93]

They did. Just not to you personally. Idiot.

Oh.... and giving of itself is enough. We don't do it so the world can say 'thanks'. Idiot.

They actually insulted us! They said that we couldn't fly our flag even though we provided more aid then the rest of the world combine! Of course our Chicken in Chief complied!

And yes I am still mad about this!

Absence of U.S. flag in Haiti sparks controversy - USATODAY.com
The many nations helping Haiti recover from the devastating earthquake that struck there have set up their own military compounds and fly their flags at the entrances.
France's tricolor, Britain's Union Jack and even Croatia's coat of arms flap in the breeze.

But the country whose contributions dwarf the rest of the world's — the United States — has no flag at its main installation near the Port-au-Prince airport.

The lack of the Stars and Stripes does not sit well with some veterans and servicemembers who say the U.S. government should be proud to fly the flag in Haiti, given the amount of money and manpower the U.S. is donating to help the country recover from the Jan. 12 quake.

 

[Ropey]

The religious fundamentalists are the very fabric of that country.

Indeed. The war comes to Pakistan when the funds stop. I agree that the funds have to stop. Appeasement and placation never seem to work in the long term.

They are simply a panacea...

Pakistan has built itself on Islam, nothing else. Their country was started out with money from the Saudis and the US ironically even though most Pakistanis despise the US. Pakistani Politicians can't even stand up for equal rights for Christians without being massacred, that country is finished.

Look at India. India created Pakistan from Indian land to deal with the Muslim fanatical demand for a homeland.

Now Pakistan still wants India. Through Kashmir...

Just like Hamas wants Israel. Through Gaza and the West Bank.

Appeasing them will not work either.

 

[GHook93]

They did. Just not to you personally. Idiot.

Oh.... and giving of itself is enough. We don't do it so the world can say 'thanks'. Idiot.

I haven't seen any official Government announcements of thanks especially from nations like North Korea and Indonesia. I hear a lot of whining & complaining but i hear very little thanks. No one is entitled to these $Billions in Aid. Good people give these $Billions to help. They deserve much more than constant whining & complaining. Just a little gratitude. That's all i'm asking.

Why would they be grateful to a wingnut like you who doesn't want the US to give them anything? That's like expecting black people to thank the South for freeing them

RETARD, conservatives always give more to charity the liberal hypocrites like you! The Evangenicals, who you hate, always give to charity. They are all over the globe helping out in some of the worst places to be. They are constantly setting up orphanges, caring for the sick and providing food and shelter to the helpless!

So take your self-rigtheousness and shove!

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Conservatives More Liberal Givers
Conservatives More Liberal Givers
By George Will

WASHINGTON -- Residents of Austin, Texas, home of the state's government and flagship university, have very refined social consciences, if they do say so themselves, and they do say so, speaking via bumper stickers. Don R. Willett, a justice of the state Supreme Court, has commuted behind bumpers proclaiming "Better a Bleeding Heart Than None at All," "Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless Beauty," "The Moral High Ground Is Built on Compassion," "Arms Are For Hugging," "Will Work (When the Jobs Come Back From India)," "Jesus Is a Liberal," "God Wants Spiritual Fruits, Not Religious Nuts," "The Road to Hell Is Paved With Republicans," "Republicans Are People Too -- Mean, Selfish, Greedy People" and so on. But Willett thinks Austin subverts a stereotype: "The belief that liberals care more about the poor may scratch a partisan or ideological itch, but the facts are hostile witnesses."

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.

The single biggest predictor of someone's altruism, Willett says, is religion. It increasingly correlates with conservative political affiliations because, as Brooks' book says, "the percentage of self-described Democrats who say they have 'no religion' has more than quadrupled since the early 1970s." America is largely divided between religious givers and secular nongivers, and the former are disproportionately conservative. One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It just seems like all of the focus especially from the Media is on how slow the Aid is getting to people or how it's never enough Aid. It's a real slap in the face to all those who are trying to help. These Aid efforts are incredibly complicated & difficult undertakings. All the whining & complaining only over-shadows these efforts. Indonesia is probably the worst of all the ingrates in my opinion. $Billions & $Billions in Aid poured into that country after their Tsunami and i have yet to see them show any real & meaningful gratitude. It's definitely just take take take for them. It all gets back to the Left Wingers who promote and encourage this ingrate entitlement attitude. The Left permeates our MSM News Media so it's no surprise this attitude is promoted by News Media. That's just my humble observation anyway.

 

[GHook93]

Indeed. The war comes to Pakistan when the funds stop. I agree that the funds have to stop. Appeasement and placation never seem to work in the long term.

They are simply a panacea...

Pakistan has built itself on Islam, nothing else. Their country was started out with money from the Saudis and the US ironically even though most Pakistanis despise the US. Pakistani Politicians can't even stand up for equal rights for Christians without being massacred, that country is finished.

Look at India. India created Pakistan from Indian land to deal with the Muslim fanatical demand for a homeland.

Now Pakistan still wants India. Through Kashmir...

Just like Hamas wants Israel. Through Gaza and the West Bank.

Appeasing them will not work either.

Interesting Pakistan was created in 1948 same year as the rebirth of Israel. Due note that two Muslim countries were created, East and West Pakistan. West Pakistan eventually gained independent from the genocidial Pakstanis to form Banglesh!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Less whining & complaining and more gratitude would be nice. I'm sick of the News Media dwelling on complaining about Aid getting to people too slowly or not being enough. People are trying incredibly hard to help those in need. These massive Aid efforts are incredibly difficult. These efforts will never be perfect. It's time to start dwelling on the fact that people are trying to help. The constant whining & complaining is a real slap in the face for those working hard to help. Time for a change of mentality on this.