Have Conservatives Gone Completely Insane?

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Why should conservatives support a socialist plan to "bail out the economy"?

 

[nukeman]

When the lending institutions stop lending money then you have no economy left.

You really can't be this stupid can you. Lending to anyone and everyone is what got us into this mess. As Ali has said people who can AFFORD it will continue to get loans only the NON PAYING SLATHER ASSES will have to find some other way. Personally I thin it is great that the Dems were forced to *gasp* take a deep breath and thin about what they are doing instead of pushing through a plan that is $700,000,000,000.00 do you even understand how much money that is and they want YOU and ME to foot the bill entirely. Who exactly do yo think will pay for all that.... Moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AVG-JOE]

This time last week the libs on this board were running around fl;apping their arms that the bailout was a plan by Bush to hijack the US and impose martial law.

I wish you idiots would make up your mind...

Might be a plan. And I still oppose the bail out.

I don't get your point, bro'...

And I'm not a 'lib'. I'm Average.

-Joe

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

Might be a plan. And I still oppose the bail out.

I don't get your point, bro'...

And I'm not a 'lib'. I'm Average.

-Joe

Not addressed to you so much as the responses.

 

[Orange_Juice]

They are not blocking it. Democrats crafted the plan without Republican input and have stated that if the Repubs don't sign off on it, as is, there will not be a plan.

I vote no fucking plan. Let the chips fall. Half of the assholes who are pushing the plan stand to lose the most because they were the ones getting sweetheart deals through this mess, Obama included.

Let them all go bankrupt. You wanted the rich guys brought low, here's your big chance.

Democrats drafted Bush's bailout plan?

Whatever

 

[Orange_Juice]

A true conservative would not vote for a bailout in any way shape or form.

Proving once again that ideology trumps reality with the Conservative base.

Just like with budget busting tax cuts

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Proving once again that ideology trumps reality with the Conservative base.

Just like with budget busting tax cuts

The reality is that if we keep going down the path we're going that there's going to be much bigger problems down the road. A problem caused by government regulation cannot possibly be solved by more government regulation.

I don't simply oppose the bailouts because they're taking money from the taxpayers, though that is one part of it. The second part would be the transfer of all that power to one un-elected official. And the third part is, once again, that the bailouts only solve the short-term problems, we're going to see worse crises in the future because we refuse to stop regulating the market.

 

[Care4all]

I am a Democrat and I am against bailing out Wall Street, I strongly believe IF there is any bail out at all, it should be done as a TRICKLE UP plan, where the homewowners are helped in to conventional mortgages....from their much higher adjustable mortgages....this will keep future foreclosures from happening at the unaffordable rate that they are and indirectly be bailing the financial institution, and will help all of America better than this TRICKLE DOWN thing, giving our money to the very crooks that preyed on the vulnerable with this absolutely crazy, irresponsible loans and lending practices that they CHOSE to use, all on their own....

Care

 

[jillian]

You really dont understand all this Allie do you?

It wouldn't matter if she understood it or not. She'd still misrepresent it. As you know, the FACT is that the plan came from Bush's Treasury Secutary Paulson and the banks. The Bush admin pushed the deal and the dems signed on in a bi-partisan effort to get things fixed quickly. Is it the best possible plan? Probably not cause ultimatrely i think a trickle up plan is better, too. But I'm not an economist... and all I know is if there's no credit... there's no economy.

Doesn't matter, though. McCain said during the debate that he's on board with the settlement. Even the right wing pundits this a.m. said he's locked into it.

 

[Orange_Juice]

The reality is that if we keep going down the path we're going that there's going to be much bigger problems down the road. A problem caused by government regulation cannot possibly be solved by more government regulation.

I don't simply oppose the bailouts because they're taking money from the taxpayers, though that is one part of it. The second part would be the transfer of all that power to one un-elected official. And the third part is, once again, that the bailouts only solve the short-term problems, we're going to see worse crises in the future because we refuse to stop regulating the market.

A problem caused by regulation???

You win the stupid award for today.

 

[Orange_Juice]

I am a Democrat and I am against bailing out Wall Street, I strongly believe IF there is any bail out at all, it should be done as a TRICKLE UP plan, where the homewowners are helped in to conventional mortgages....from their much higher adjustable mortgages....this will keep future foreclosures from happening at the unaffordable rate that they are and indirectly be bailing the financial institution, and will help all of America better than this TRICKLE DOWN thing, giving our money to the very crooks that preyed on the vulnerable with this absolutely crazy, irresponsible loans and lending practices that they CHOSE to use, all on their own....

Care

I hear what you are saying, and can't disagree with it, really. But since no one is suggesting such a plan I'm going to go with the plan that is out there simply because something has to be done. Swedan went through this in the 1990's and survived and flourished, so I'm hoping we can to.

 

[AVG-JOE]

I hear what you are saying, and can't disagree with it, really. But since no one is suggesting such a plan I'm going to go with the plan that is out there simply because something has to be done. Swedan went through this in the 1990's and survived and flourished, so I'm hoping we can to.

Actually, the republican alternative of making the investment bankers buy insurance on the debt instruments and then providing funds for home owners to refinance out of the whack-ass ARM's that were sold, similar to the plan successfully used in the 1930's, is kind of a trickle up plan, at least in my book.

Woo Hoo to the republican bail out busters in congress!!!

(Don't worry, I'm still voting for Obama, this is just more evidence that the democratic leadership in congress for the last 6 years is at least deserving of the electoral boot as Georgie-boy.)

-Joe

 

[editec]

What I find fascinating is that there appears to be a major split int he Republican party right now.

Some Rs seem to be sticking to their guns that the bailout is wrong because it's rewarding failure, while others insist that without an agreement the world as we know it will grind to a credit-starved halt

Now, get ready to call Guiness because I'm about to say something few of you will expect from me.

BOTH WINGS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE RIGHT THIS TIME!​

This mess is a failure of banking capitalists, and rewarding them by bailing them out is WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Yet, sans some kind of agreement to return to liquidity to the markets the world as we know it IS going to come crashing down.

Talk about your politics making strange bedfellow?

Imagine me having a ménage à trois with the two wings of the Republican Party?!?

It makes me feel kinda dirty, but right is right and in this case both sides of the debate are completely right.

 

[WillowTree]

What I find fascinating is that there appears to be a major split int he Republican party right now.

Some Rs seem to be sticking to their guns that the bailout is wrong because it's rewarding failure, while others insist that without an agreement the world as we know it will grind to a ahlf.

Not get ready to call Guiness because I'm about to say something few of you will expect from me.

BOTH WINGS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE RIGHT THIS TIME!

This mess is a failure of banking capitalists, and rewarding them by bailing them out is WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Yet, sans some kind of agreement to return to liquidity to the markets the world as we know it IS going to come crashing down.

Talk about you politics making strange bedfellow?

Imagine me agreeing with two opposing sides of an internacine battle in the Republican Party.

It makes me feel kinda dirty, but right is right and in this case both sides of the debate are completely right.

yep, I agree, all those bastards left and right deserve to have it come crashing down. I never thought I would pray for failure but I'm praying now.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

A problem caused by regulation???

You win the stupid award for today.

So you would blame our current crisis on the free market, despite the fact that we don't have a free market?

 

[Invayne]

I have a very good understanding of it, and what's more, my understanding of it coincides with the understanding of your party leaders. They aren't fighting for you..they're fighting to bail THEMSELVES out, and make you pay for it.

It's certainly the way Bill Clinton sees it. It's the way the economic correspondents on CNN see it.

It's just the little people at the bottom of the lib ladder who are so indoctrinated that they'll swallow any pill offered them who don't get it. You don't fix a problem caused by government interference, and giving money to people who don't deserve it, by giving MORE MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT.

Get it?

You damn sure don't give more money to the idiots who MADE the problem in the first place.

All this bail out does is reward incompetence. You bail them out once, they'll be back to the same old shit when nobody's looking. I say let them drown in their cesspool of stupidity, and leave us alone.

 

[Invayne]

I hear what you are saying, and can't disagree with it, really. But since no one is suggesting such a plan I'm going to go with the plan that is out there simply because something has to be done. Swedan went through this in the 1990's and survived and flourished, so I'm hoping we can to.

We're not supposed to be socialists over here....

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I hear what you are saying, and can't disagree with it, really. But since no one is suggesting such a plan I'm going to go with the plan that is out there simply because something has to be done. Swedan went through this in the 1990's and survived and flourished, so I'm hoping we can to.

One reason Sweden came back is because they were willing to cut spending. They weren't 9 trillion dollars in debt and fighting two endless wars with two Presidential candidates both proposing that they increase federal spending.

 

[Orange_Juice]

So you would blame our current crisis on the free market, despite the fact that we don't have a free market?

We have an economy that is a free market that is regulated. Sometimes its more regulated than others. Obvioulsy the regulators were asleep at the wheel this time. And that's according to the regulators themselves

 

[Yurt]

We have an economy that is a free market that is regulated. Sometimes its more regulated than others. Obvioulsy the regulators were asleep at the wheel this time. And that's according to the regulators themselves

uh, what? it ain't free if it is regulated