Hate Crimes Without Hate?

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    Some New York prosecutors are using a hate crimes enhancement to get stiffer penalties for crimes against the elderly. The theory is that the defendants have a belief about the ease with which the elderly can be defrauded, etc. but do not necessarily involve any hatred.

    What say you? To me, this seems like a good result but a bad method.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/nyregion/23hate.html?hpw
     
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    What is a "hate crime"? You don't kill someone because you love that person. Any crime is a hate crime considered broadly enough. Pretty soon making jokes about the prophet Muhammed will be considered a hate crime.
    The whole thing is stupid.
     
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    I say only one penalty for any crime.

    DEATH!

    Watch crime rates drop.
     
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    I think they do need stiffer penalties. Apparently, in New York, there is no jail time for a theft of funds of less than $1 Million. Many (most) elderly would be rendered impoverished by such a theft -- they deserve protection from criminals as well.
     
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    How will sentencing people protect the elderly? And why is terming it a hate crime the right way to do it?
     
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    This issue needs to be addressed by appropriate action in albany, not by having prosecutors go off the reservation and be creative.

    One of the reasons people were afraid of 'hate crime' legislation was just because prosecutors would get creative with it. Mostly the fear was that they would use it to prosecute les magestie and that kind of thing, but this shows the danger of the legislation.
     
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    I didn't know that the elderly were incorporated in hate crime legislation, as it seems simple enough to write a law with an age limit, you know, like 'early bird specials'...
    So if the aim is to include the entire class of 'elderly,' specify an age.


    But a former major of our great city once made this statement about the original idea of hate crimes...which focused on black-white crime. He said it's silly to try to read minds. Make any crime committed by a member of one race against a member of another, a hate crime.
    Makes sense to me.
     
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    I did not say it was a good idea to use hate crime enhancements. What I said was, "a good idea but a bad method". I happen to think it is possible that stiffer penalities deter crimes to a degree, and I am such an asshole I think if you bankrupt an elderly person through fraud, you should do time even if that victim was not wealthy.
     
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    It's a form of the "ends justifies the means" - I don't agree with it. I have very mixed feelings on "hate crime" legislation anyway and this pretty much sums up how it can be abused. Fraud is wrong no matter what, it doesn't need non-exhistent hate crime definitions.
     
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    Hmm if that was the case, how many people would a suspect kill just to get away from the police for shoplifting or writing a bad check?
     
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