Hate crimes against "the homeless"

[AmyNation]

Bill adds homeless to list of hate crimes

"Albuquerque, will introduce a bill next month to add homeless people to the state Hate Crimes Act. The proposed law means those who attack homeless people would be subject to harsher sentences if caught and convicted. "This sends a message to the general public - people need to have dignity," O'Neill said in an interview. "If we're going to talk about hate crimes, let's talk about the homeless."


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[occupied]

Bill adds homeless to list of hate crimes

"Albuquerque, will introduce a bill next month to add homeless people to the state Hate Crimes Act. The proposed law means those who attack homeless people would be subject to harsher sentences if caught and convicted. "This sends a message to the general public - people need to have dignity," O'Neill said in an interview. "If we're going to talk about hate crimes, let's talk about the homeless."


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Do you see something wrong with this or right with this? We occasionally read about suburban kids doing terrible things to the homeless on a lark, I am inclined to agree that stiffer penalties are deserved in cases like that.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Crime is crime and by its very nature is fueled by hate. Trying to rationalize it by giving it unique names and special penalties is dumb. The end result of crime is the same regardless of motive. If you're dead you're dead regardless of motive.....

 

[AmyNation]

I don't agree with the designation "hate crimes". Adding the homeless to the list just confirms, to me, the ridiculousness of it.

 

[occupied]

If that's what it takes to get a bunch of young psychopaths charged as adults who would set a man on fire for fun I am all for it. Google "kids set homeless man on fire", it's a damned epidemic. Anyone who would do something like that needs to be locked up for years and years, not just until they turn 18.

 

[OKTexas]

Special class designation for anyone is a clear violation of the Constitution and is nothing but another wedge use by the politicians to devide us. It's simple, you don't have EQUAL PROTECTION, when some are more equal than others.

 

[OKTexas]

If that's what it takes to get a bunch of young psychopaths charged as adults who would set a man on fire for fun I am all for it. Google "kids set homeless man on fire", it's a damned epidemic. Anyone who would do something like that needs to be locked up for years and years, not just until they turn 18.

Nope, they deserve the exact same fate.

 

[AmyNation]

The crime should determine the punishment.

Person A sets a homeless man on fire because he hates the homless, person B sets a banker on fire because he hates corporate America. How is person A deserving of a harsher punishment?

 

[Dreamy]

Crazy. All crimes are hate crimes, even those done in a moment of passion.

Why do only select groups get hate crime legislature?

Is there special "hate crime" legislature for:

Women?
Brunettes?
Fat people?
Skinny people?
Teachers?
Bus Drivers?
Comedians?
Fathers?
Sisters?
Mothers?
Brothers?
Mother-in-Laws?
Acne faced teens?
People with speech impediments?
Gingers with freckles?

 

[Dreamy]

If that's what it takes to get a bunch of young psychopaths charged as adults who would set a man on fire for fun I am all for it. Google "kids set homeless man on fire", it's a damned epidemic. Anyone who would do something like that needs to be locked up for years and years, not just until they turn 18.

What is wrong with using the existing laws for these crimes? Get the legislature to change the laws to be harsher if warranted but no to special hate crime laws for only certain subsets of society.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Crazy. All crimes are hate crimes, even those done in a moment of passion.

Why do only select groups get hate crime legislature?

Is there special "hate crime" legislature for:

Women?
Brunettes?
Fat people?
Skinny people?
Teachers?
Bus Drivers?
Comedians?
Fathers?
Sisters?
Mothers?
Brothers?
Mother-in-Laws?
Acne faced teens?
People with speech impediments?
Gingers with freckles?

Your avatar is indeed dreamy.....

Sigh..

 

[occupied]

If that's what it takes to get a bunch of young psychopaths charged as adults who would set a man on fire for fun I am all for it. Google "kids set homeless man on fire", it's a damned epidemic. Anyone who would do something like that needs to be locked up for years and years, not just until they turn 18.

Nope, they deserve the exact same fate.

How do you figure? Do you not think setting a sleeping defenseless human being on fire to be a little more serious than a couple of years in juvie at the most? You probably see it as industrious young conservatives preforming a public service.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If that's what it takes to get a bunch of young psychopaths charged as adults who would set a man on fire for fun I am all for it. Google "kids set homeless man on fire", it's a damned epidemic. Anyone who would do something like that needs to be locked up for years and years, not just until they turn 18.

Nope, they deserve the exact same fate.

How do you figure? Do you not think setting a sleeping defenseless human being on fire to be a little more serious than a couple of years in juvie at the most? You probably see it as industrious young conservatives preforming a public service.

You don't always have to be a dick.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

So I can't yell at these bums who stand at the exits of Interstates at a traffic light holding "Homeless and Hungry" signs to get a job? That's not a hate crime in my book; that's a suggestion, which they refuse if you offer them a job, btw.

 

[Dreamy]

Crazy. All crimes are hate crimes, even those done in a moment of passion.

Why do only select groups get hate crime legislature?

Is there special "hate crime" legislature for:

Women?
Brunettes?
Fat people?
Skinny people?
Teachers?
Bus Drivers?
Comedians?
Fathers?
Sisters?
Mothers?
Brothers?
Mother-in-Laws?
Acne faced teens?
People with speech impediments?
Gingers with freckles?

Your avatar is indeed dreamy.....

Sigh..

Thanks! Merry Christmas Grampa.

 

[occupied]

If that's what it takes to get a bunch of young psychopaths charged as adults who would set a man on fire for fun I am all for it. Google "kids set homeless man on fire", it's a damned epidemic. Anyone who would do something like that needs to be locked up for years and years, not just until they turn 18.

What is wrong with using the existing laws for these crimes? Get the legislature to change the laws to be harsher if warranted but no to special hate crime laws for only certain subsets of society.

We have all kinds of laws that jack up the penalties if the crime involves children under a certain age, you have no problem protecting especially vulnerable people in that way, I assume.

 

[occupied]

Nope, they deserve the exact same fate.

How do you figure? Do you not think setting a sleeping defenseless human being on fire to be a little more serious than a couple of years in juvie at the most? You probably see it as industrious young conservatives preforming a public service.

You don't always have to be a dick.

Yeah, I pretty much do to those who make a habit out of it themselves.

 

[Dreamy]

So I can't yell at these bums who stand at the exits of Interstates at a traffic light holding "Homeless and Hungry" signs to get a job? That's not a hate crime in my book; that's a suggestion, which they refuse if you offer them a job, btw.

I saw some in a NH border town where they actually appear to work in shifts. Different "homeless sign carriers" at the traffic island at different times.

I am pretty sure people can yell just not physically abuse others, not just the homeless. I want to know what is the difference in the crime between me, a woman with a home getting assaulted and a homeless man getting assaulted?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

How do you figure? Do you not think setting a sleeping defenseless human being on fire to be a little more serious than a couple of years in juvie at the most? You probably see it as industrious young conservatives preforming a public service.

You don't always have to be a dick.

Yeah, I pretty much do to those who make a habit out of it themselves.

Hadn't noticed that. I'm not on all that much anymore. Kinda for the reason you described. Too many loons

 

[Dreamy]

If that's what it takes to get a bunch of young psychopaths charged as adults who would set a man on fire for fun I am all for it. Google "kids set homeless man on fire", it's a damned epidemic. Anyone who would do something like that needs to be locked up for years and years, not just until they turn 18.

What is wrong with using the existing laws for these crimes? Get the legislature to change the laws to be harsher if warranted but no to special hate crime laws for only certain subsets of society.

We have all kinds of laws that jack up the penalties if the crime involves children under a certain age, you have no problem protecting especially vulnerable people in that way, I assume.

I understand your point and I do want to see children and elderly protected but being homeless is a choice in this country. We have shelters and a network in place to aid those who hit hard times. If I choose to take on a lifestyle that makes me more vulnerable to crime when there are alternatives that would keep me safer, whose fault is this?

Should prostitutes have special "hate crime" legislature for them?