jc456
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so you don't think 20 million illegals in our country, 400,000 still crossing our borders, over 200 bodies found dead in the desert a week because the coyotes released them to die , and drugs coming into our country illegally through areas where a wall isn't a crisis. BTW, it would be the spot I'd go if the objective was to get drugs into the US for revenue rather than the ports of entry. No challenge. Kids being used as slaves and sold. Naw, no fking emergency there, even though Obammy called it a crisis in 2014, and chuckie called it unacceptable in 2009 and pelosti said so in 2006. nope, you all got it. you know it fking all. yep, TDS to the max.I think the article gives some relevant things to think about, for sure!Has the Supreme Court Already Decided the Wall Case?
Interesting. I think Trump AND the country wins the wall case either way but this is interesting.
FULL DISCLOSURE
Know that I am against Trump calling this "an emergency" because it truly is not one and I think he is abusing his power by calling it one, which will diminish the meaning of Emergency, and could also set a very bad precedent for future presidents to abuse this power, as Trump has so obviously done!
I am also against it because I believe it diminishes Congress's constitutionally given power of the purse and increases the power of the Executive branch who are not elected by us and the President's power as a single operator to run OUR govt.
Diminishing Congress's power actually diminishes OUR power of electing those who represent us... they are the only ones who represent us, "no taxation, without representation", kind of thingy...
You may like it now because its the easy way to get what you want, but what about the majority of the other citizens in this Nation? And what about when there is another president in there and congress specifically, with legislation, denies that President the funds he asks for.... and that next President decides to call it a National Emergency... even though IT IS NOT ONE, to get thousands of millions of dollars that Congress, our representatives, had already denied for the project of his choice, like Climate Change or Universal Health Care or Reparations etc?
This is really not good for the country Odium, for the future of our country long term.
It's just like Congress giving up their power to vote yes or no, to declaring War... that means we the people, no longer have a say in when to send our fathers, brothers, son's to their death, in War.
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Now, for what the op ed article author said... I think he could be right... even though Trump is trying to usurp congress's power of the purse given to them by the Constitution, the congress can stop him through the legislation the House just provided, if the Senate votes in favor for it too.
Trump can veto this legislation, then the Congress would have to vote to override the veto which takes 2/3's of the House and Senate to do such.
And sadly, the Republicans in Congress do NOT care about the future of their Country, nor their constitutional requirement to appropriate all funds, and only care about their reelection....
In other words, they fear the Wrath of Trump, and losing their seat.
The lawsuit may not be able to use what Trump has said, like he doesn't need this money, or It is not an emergency but he just wants to do it faster kind of crud, as the op ed writer has speculated because it ended up not mattering that he was a bigot and said basically he wanted to ban all Muslims in the Muslim Ban court case,
and the SC may only be looking at whether this is within his power, (given to him by Congress in this case) and NOT get in to it being an emergency or not being an emergency kind of stuff, or the facts in this issue like, illegal immigration has already been reduced drastically since it's all time high....??
If that is the case, and likely so... then because Congress, the House and Senate, did not get the 2/3's to override the veto, then it all would appear to be legal, and within the law even if Trump is making the whole "Emergency" up.