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    Just curious as to everyone's thought on post- and transhumanism. Yea or nay and why?
     
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    I dunno. But I am pro protons.
     
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    i have given it tought...as in borg's etc...how much of a person can be artifical now? survival is a strong instinct and if you can improve your life with science why not? we already are doing it...artificial limbs that sense nerve impluses and mimic movement. pacemakers to regular the heart....electric probs for seizures and turrets.

    then one has to deal with the issue of a 'superior race' due to engeneering
     
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    No more than we now have a super race thanks to improved medicine and nutrition. I see no reason to believe these technologies will lead to anything other than greater diversity and variation among those who embrace it, as they each seek to fulfill their own visions.
     
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    Really? A "super race thanks to improved medicine and nutrition?" I think just the opposite is true. Due to improved medicine and care as well as nutrition, I am convinced there are more stupid people in the world today. Doctors today are better able to save the lives of the terminally stupid. Actions that would have once culled them from the herd are now mere inconveniences.
     
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    You seem to have somehow read my post as saying the opposite of what it said :eusa_eh:

    My argument is that cybernetics and, to a lesser extent, transhumanism would have the same effects as modern medicine- the preservation of both desirable and less desirable persons.
     
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    Nay- I like my humans flawed and imperfect, as it adds interest and character into the equation.
     
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    I'm thinking more along the lines of H-minus.
     
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    After spending time working on a shared post human transapient fiction universe with others from across the world (love the internet) I came to a realization...

    Only communists and atheists believe in transhumanism.

    I approached it as an interesting sci fi setting because it was fairly hard science fiction that nobody worth a damn was writing nowadays. But after delving into some of Vernor Vinge's work and other "luminaries", I realized... yeah. It's a crap theory where they essentially create their god.

    But after spending 3 years working on the project and every single solution they had built into the setting led to post-scarcity hedonic collectivism till someone somehow transcended into a messianic Nietzschian Ubermensch and ruled them all... perfectly... I realized I wasn't in the right place anymore. Human beings were only viewed as jungian archetypes with no personal drive, imperfection and self interest (enlightened or otherwise). They were viewed as insects... kinda like how many of the other creators viewed other people I think.

    So, no. Transhumanism is the new atheist/collectivist figure of god in the philosopher and soon the machine if it is to be believed. But like most sci fi (particularly bad sci fi) it will end up in the 'amusing but wrong' pile soon enough.
     
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