CDZ Gun deaths in all states per capita

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You know nothing about this country.

You don't know that if we calculated the murder rate of the entire country and removed a few of the most violent urban communities that the murder rate for the rest of the country would be cut by about 70%. or more



You don't know this because you are a simple minded sheep who likes intrusive government and being treated like a child.
Do you want gun laws in 30% of the country?

How about states with much fewer vehicles, scrap car safety and speed limits
 
Still repeating yourself
Still hypocritical for complaining about repetition when I merely am responding to your own repetition.

Wrong as well. My comment that the UK needs to change and restore their freedom is "brand new".

Although, if you continue to repeat yourself, I do intend to frequently repeat my call for the UK to change and restore their freedom.
 
Only because men hunt them down and they have no means to defend themselves.
Gosh, if only those solitary individualistic Tigers had banded together and slaughtered and feasted on those humans before they all got together and evolved....
And no there is not CC TV everywhere in the US.
Not what I said, but your lack of comprehension is becoming obvious to all.
You people need permission to carry a simple multitool.
No we don't. I often carry a Swiss Army knife quite legally and openly, never been stopped or arrested.
And if that 3 in pocket knife has a simple locking mechanism it is illegal.
Depends on the "simple locking mechanism".
 
Wrong........Britain has more violent crime than the U.S.......

We thought Bier’s points were reasonable, so we tried to replicate his approach. We looked at the raw violent crime numbers for each country, using statistics for England and Wales for 2012 and for the United States for 2011, in a way that sought to compare apples to apples. (We should note that the United Kingdom includes Scotland and Northern Ireland, but the numbers in the meme appear to be based only on crime in England and Wales, which are calculated separately.)

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

ROFL! Cherry picking again. Read the whole article.

"This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

However, before we put too much credibility on these calculations, we should note that criminologists say there is actually no good way to compare violent crime rates in these two countries.

Our rough effort to equalize the definitions improved the quality of the comparison, but what we did is not enough to fix the comparison entirely, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University. "Once you get away from clearly defined terms like homicides, all kinds of problems come in," Fox said. "You have to take comparisons not just with a grain of salt but with the entire shaker."

For instance, the vast majority of violent crimes are aggravated assaults, and this is a category that isn’t as well defined as homicides, rapes and robberies. Many aggravated assaults don’t result in an injury, Fox said, and even police in the same country don’t always use the same standard in counting this particular crime.

Another problem is that aggravated assaults, rapes and robberies are victim-reported crimes, so whether the crime gets reported varies widely, depending on such factors as the victim’s trust in the police. This difference shows up in comparisons of FBI crime data, which consists of crimes reported to police, and the far higher rates of crime victimization found in a survey of Americans by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics. The survey counts all crimes that respondents say they have experienced, not just those they reported to police.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by an arm of the United Nations most recently in 2005, shows the difference between reported crime and all crimes committed by conducting polls that ask people if they've been victims of specific crimes. Polling data showed that England and Wales had 2,600 cases of robbery per 100,000 population and 8,100 cases of "assaults and threats" per 100,000. While those figures are even higher than the meme suggested, the U.S levels are also much higher -- 1,100 cases of robbery and 8,300 cases of assaults and threats per 100,000. And the rate of sexual assault is actually about 50 percent higher in the United States than it is in England and Wales. So this data set doesn’t support the thrust of the meme, either.

"Recorded crime data are problematic due to definitional issues, reporting rates and other concerns," said Shane D. Johnson, a professor in the University College of London Department of Security and Crime Science. "There may also be considerable variation across counties, or states."

When we presented the Skeptical Libertarian blog post and our own research to the source of the meme -- Adam Kokesh, a libertarian activist -- an aide to Kokesh sent us the original link from the Daily Telegraph and said, "We appreciate the close eye on that post and all the research."

Our ruling
The meme said "there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K.," compared to "466 violent crimes per 100,000" in the United States. Our preliminary attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime rates between the two countries, but criminologists say differences in how the statistics are collected make it impossible to produce a truly valid comparison. We rate the claim False.



 
Gosh, if only those solitary individualistic Tigers had banded together and slaughtered and feasted on those humans before they all got together and evolved....

Not what I said, but your lack of comprehension is becoming obvious to all.

No we don't. I often carry a Swiss Army knife quite legally and openly, never been stopped or arrested.

Depends on the "simple locking mechanism".
My leatherman multi tool is illegal in your country because it has not one but 3 locking blades

The pocket knife I carry daily is illegal in your country because it has a simple locking mechanism which btw makes it safer to use

In fact since I am retired I would have no "reasonable excuse" to carry that leatherman multi tool on my belt
 
Do you want gun laws in 30% of the country?

How about states with much fewer vehicles, scrap car safety and speed limits
Actually we do have different speed limits in different states.

States that have large stretches of sparsely populated areas have speed limits that are much higher than those in city limits.

Once again you flaunt your ignorance of the US.

And all we need to do is actually enforce the gun laws we already have on the books.

I have told you multiple times already that cops and [politicians refuse to enforce those laws and why
 
Blues Man , you're just in an echo chamber on this thread, you guys have just repeated the same crap that many times that the thread is pointless. I'll catch up with ya all at the next mass shooting, no doubt kids of course, as there's no room in the heads of gun nuts to say anything other than the 10 Gun Nut Commandments.
 
Blues Man , you're just in an echo chamber on this thread, you guys have just repeated the same crap that many times that the thread is pointless. I'll catch up with ya all at the next mass shooting, no doubt kids of course, as there's no room in the heads of gun nuts to say anything other than the 10 Gun Nut Commandments.
Just like you repeat the same crap.

Gun laws do not reduce murder rates.

If they did then the murder rate of the UK would be lower than it was before you all started passing draconian gun laws in the 60's and it isn't.

The murder rate in the US is also about the same as it was in 1950 even though since 1950 we had a 10 year so called assault weapon ban, instituted background checks for all purchases through licensed dealers and have passed literally thousand more gun laws.

Gun laws do not lower murder rates.
 
ROFL! Cherry picking again. Read the whole article.

"This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

However, before we put too much credibility on these calculations, we should note that criminologists say there is actually no good way to compare violent crime rates in these two countries.

Our rough effort to equalize the definitions improved the quality of the comparison, but what we did is not enough to fix the comparison entirely, said James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University. "Once you get away from clearly defined terms like homicides, all kinds of problems come in," Fox said. "You have to take comparisons not just with a grain of salt but with the entire shaker."

For instance, the vast majority of violent crimes are aggravated assaults, and this is a category that isn’t as well defined as homicides, rapes and robberies. Many aggravated assaults don’t result in an injury, Fox said, and even police in the same country don’t always use the same standard in counting this particular crime.

Another problem is that aggravated assaults, rapes and robberies are victim-reported crimes, so whether the crime gets reported varies widely, depending on such factors as the victim’s trust in the police. This difference shows up in comparisons of FBI crime data, which consists of crimes reported to police, and the far higher rates of crime victimization found in a survey of Americans by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics. The survey counts all crimes that respondents say they have experienced, not just those they reported to police.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by an arm of the United Nations most recently in 2005, shows the difference between reported crime and all crimes committed by conducting polls that ask people if they've been victims of specific crimes. Polling data showed that England and Wales had 2,600 cases of robbery per 100,000 population and 8,100 cases of "assaults and threats" per 100,000. While those figures are even higher than the meme suggested, the U.S levels are also much higher -- 1,100 cases of robbery and 8,300 cases of assaults and threats per 100,000. And the rate of sexual assault is actually about 50 percent higher in the United States than it is in England and Wales. So this data set doesn’t support the thrust of the meme, either.

"Recorded crime data are problematic due to definitional issues, reporting rates and other concerns," said Shane D. Johnson, a professor in the University College of London Department of Security and Crime Science. "There may also be considerable variation across counties, or states."

When we presented the Skeptical Libertarian blog post and our own research to the source of the meme -- Adam Kokesh, a libertarian activist -- an aide to Kokesh sent us the original link from the Daily Telegraph and said, "We appreciate the close eye on that post and all the research."

Our ruling
The meme said "there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K.," compared to "466 violent crimes per 100,000" in the United States. Our preliminary attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime rates between the two countries, but criminologists say differences in how the statistics are collected make it impossible to produce a truly valid comparison. We rate the claim False.





..I read the entire article, every time I use it against you guys, and I have shown you this over and over again...

Politifact tries to lie about the crime rates but when they actually show the Apples to Apples Comparison....they show that Britain has more violent cxrime than the U.S....you twit....

They try to cover their attempt to lie by stating....

a much smaller difference in violent crime rates

But, ........When they actually show the numbers, it shows that Britain has a higher violent crime rate than the U.S.......

Politifact does an Apples to Apples comparison.....which they then try to lie about....


For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.



So....at that point....when they can't hide the fact that Britain is more violent than the U.S.....they begin their tap dance.....which is the rest of the article....

This naked, open, lying by anti-gun leftists just shows us why we can't trust you people...
 
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