Gun Control - What's the Problem?

[Uncensored2008]

No gun show loophole?? Anybody with a drivers license can get a gun at a gun show with no BG check, they just have to orally answer 2 questions... It's way to easy. Is that how you want it?

Now that's a fucking lie. Why do you Bolsheviks do that? No one is going to believe your fucking lies but other Communists, If your goal is to get the American people to surrender their rights, perhaps offering a compelling reason for it would be a better idea than shitting in their face and telling them it's sunshine...

 

[Slade3200]

No gun show loophole?? Anybody with a drivers license can get a gun at a gun show with no BG check, they just have to orally answer 2 questions... It's way to easy. Is that how you want it?

Now that's a fucking lie. Why do you Bolsheviks do that? No one is going to believe your fucking lies but other Communists, If your goal is to get the American people to surrender their rights, perhaps offering a compelling reason for it would be a better idea than shitting in their face and telling them it's sunshine...

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Guns for sale - inside an American gun show - BBC News

 

[Rustic]

Only a blithering idiot would think that all military personnel would back a socialist asshole as commander-in-chief and go against the people.
Now go hide

Only a paranoid fanatic is preparing for the next civil war. I hope you got your bunker fully stocked, because as you stock your arsenal preparing for the war that will never come, the majority of us are trying to do things that actually make a difference.

What is with all the references to the war on drugs?? I don't see the relation, that is a completely different subject.

No, not really. Recreational narcotics have been against the law as long as I've been alive. Yet the people that want drugs get them. That's the relationship.

It's the same way with guns. If Democrats had their dream which is to make all guns illegal, then only the criminal and police would have guns because the criminals are not about to give their guns up.

Thanks for posting an intelligent argument and not just calling the Pres an asshat. I see the relationship between drugs and guns that you are talking about but the big difference is drugs are illegal and guns are not. When it comes to prescription meds there are ton of hoops you have jump through to get those, like seeing a doctor and getting a prescription. I just don't agree that Dems only want cops and criminals to have guns and even if that is the desire of some, that is not a realistic possibility and I don't see anybody rational leader proposing that. The measures that have been put on the table all make sense, but yet the pro-gunners fight tooth and nail against an invisible agenda of what they think will come in the future. If it is just about the issues proposed i'd think any responsible person, especially gun owners would support them. If not then please explain how they are harming your rights. I'm talking about closing the gun show loophole, improving background checks and the database etc...

The people wanting these things are nothing more than control freaks, and the government has no credibility on the subject. They work for us not the other way around.

The scariest thing in the world is the phrase - we are from the government and are here to help.

BTW there is no gun show loophole

No gun show loophole?? Anybody with a drivers license can get a gun at a gun show with no BG check, they just have to orally answer 2 questions... It's way to easy. Is that how you want it?

So? No gangbangers are buying overpriced firearms at gun shows. In How many of these killing do the firearms come from gun shows??

This is an nonissue...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now... bunch of entitled, ungrateful, whiners... It really bothers me when all people do is bitch and complain as they sit around being useless... It just makes you part of the problem. Do any of you do ANYTHING to help better your community or others? If so, do you receive the pleasure of being ridiculed for your efforts like you do for the President?

You have helped me understand why I was confused about the argument... Apparently it's just a bunch of old school, close minded, protagonists that sit in judgement without an articulate, rational or logical reason for their unrest.

And you come across as the typical naive liberal who couldnt connect the dots in a million years.
Things are about to go south in this country,we have unsustainable debt and the job market sucks. How in the world you have any confidence in the future of America is beyond me.

We live in a God Damn paradise compared to most in this world. Tell me, how's your typical day go, as you sit typing away at your computer, probably getting ready to watch your nightly TV show?? Are you fearing for your life on your way home for work? Searching for food or clean water? Bathing in other peoples shit? They have you so brainwashed about how bad we have it... Go to Africa, Asia, the Middle East, pick a country and see how they live day to day. You paint me as a crazy liberal but i actually lean more on the conservative side on most fiscal issues... I am just objective about it and take each situation at face value... I don't see many doing that with this subject

It's pretty obvious you want to ignore the 2nd and it's intent,whether you believe in the possibility of social unrest due to a collapsed economy is moot.
Same reason you have a fire extinguisher...just in case,and the way the world is going these days I think it's a damn good idea to hedge your bets.

And as I've said..control the ghetto and our murder rate would plummet.

 

[Rustic]

Gun culture in this country has gotten pretty far out there... its got me shaking my head and i'm a gun owner,. #embarrassing

1min 40sec
Guns for sale - inside an American gun show - BBC News

Most all firearms used in crimes are stolen...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Gun culture in this country has gotten pretty far out there... its got me shaking my head and i'm a gun owner,. #embarrassing

1min 40sec
Guns for sale - inside an American gun show - BBC News

BBC?

 

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[HereWeGoAgain]

Only a blithering idiot would think that all military personnel would back a socialist asshole as commander-in-chief and go against the people.
Now go hide

Only a paranoid fanatic is preparing for the next civil war. I hope you got your bunker fully stocked, because as you stock your arsenal preparing for the war that will never come, the majority of us are trying to do things that actually make a difference.

What is with all the references to the war on drugs?? I don't see the relation, that is a completely different subject.

No, not really. Recreational narcotics have been against the law as long as I've been alive. Yet the people that want drugs get them. That's the relationship.

It's the same way with guns. If Democrats had their dream which is to make all guns illegal, then only the criminal and police would have guns because the criminals are not about to give their guns up.

Thanks for posting an intelligent argument and not just calling the Pres an asshat. I see the relationship between drugs and guns that you are talking about but the big difference is drugs are illegal and guns are not. When it comes to prescription meds there are ton of hoops you have jump through to get those, like seeing a doctor and getting a prescription. I just don't agree that Dems only want cops and criminals to have guns and even if that is the desire of some, that is not a realistic possibility and I don't see anybody rational leader proposing that. The measures that have been put on the table all make sense, but yet the pro-gunners fight tooth and nail against an invisible agenda of what they think will come in the future. If it is just about the issues proposed i'd think any responsible person, especially gun owners would support them. If not then please explain how they are harming your rights. I'm talking about closing the gun show loophole, improving background checks and the database etc...

The people wanting these things are nothing more than control freaks, and the government has no credibility on the subject. They work for us not the other way around.

The scariest thing in the world is the phrase - we are from the government and are here to help.

BTW there is no gun show loophole

No gun show loophole?? Anybody with a drivers license can get a gun at a gun show with no BG check, they just have to orally answer 2 questions... It's way to easy. Is that how you want it?

Never been to a gun show have you?
And of course the total lack of knowledge regarding gun shows makes me consider whether or not you even own a gun.

 

[Slade3200]

You guys are still missing the whole point... Nobody is arguing that you can't have a gun!!!! You are defending that position but nobody is trying to take that away. Show me the legislation proposing that... There is none.

You say that making improvements to the purchase process won't prevent criminals from getting guns but you still don't explain why you think it is a bad idea???? Why are you fighting against actions that intend on securing that only responsible individuals are able to buy guns????

 

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[HereWeGoAgain]

You guys are still missing the whole point... Nobody is arguing that you can't have a gun!!!! You are defending that position but nobody is trying to take that away. Show me the legislation proposing that... There is none.

You say that making improvements to the purchase process won't prevent criminals from getting guns but you still don't explain why you think it is a bad idea???? Why are you fighting against actions that intend on securing that only responsible individuals are able to buy guns????

You've been told countless times,you just choose to ignore the answer.

 

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[Centinel]

You say that making improvements to the purchase process won't prevent criminals from getting guns but you still don't explain why you think it is a bad idea????

It's a bad idea because none of congress' enumerated powers would allow it to make a law criminalizing the sale of a gun at a gun show (or anywhere else) without performing a background check. That's your answer as to why it's a bad idea.

 

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[Slade3200]

Dude, enough with the photos... Like I tell my toddler... Use your words...
Centinel, Please elaborate... Because Congress can not make it illegal it is a bad idea? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Rustic]

You guys are still missing the whole point... Nobody is arguing that you can't have a gun!!!! You are defending that position but nobody is trying to take that away. Show me the legislation proposing that... There is none.

You say that making improvements to the purchase process won't prevent criminals from getting guns but you still don't explain why you think it is a bad idea???? Why are you fighting against actions that intend on securing that only responsible individuals are able to buy guns????

Barry does not have the wisdom, morales and ethics to tell anyone what to do... Especially on an issue he has no grasp of.
He can take his crocodile tears and shove them up his ass... He's nothing more than a petty control freak.

 

[Centinel]

Centinel, Please elaborate... Because Congress can not make it illegal it is a bad idea? That doesn't make sense.

Correct. If congress enacts laws for which it has no constitutional authority, then that's a bad idea.

 

[Uncensored2008]

1min 40sec
Guns for sale - inside an American gun show - BBC News

A private seller can sell his property to whom he wants. You can NOT buy a gun from a dealer at a gun show without a background check.

{
The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.
Gun shows aren’t the equivalent of the Wild West. The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property.
The White House publicity blitz is having an effect on public opinion, as a recent poll put support around 90 percent for criminal-background checks for all gun sales. Washington politicians are determined to do “something” about the Newtown, Conn., shooting, but it makes no sense to put so much effort into an area where criminals aren’t buying their guns.}

MILLER: The gun-show loophole myth

You of the left lie in your war on civil rights. The facts don't serve your agenda of ending rights, so you have to spice it up.