Green Energy taxes the poor, gives to the rich

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    Another thread by the same old Environut. I say ignore it. The idiot has brain damage

    Old Crock is literally putting his hand in everyones pocket and Old Crock enjoys it.[

    It is fact that to have green energy taxes must be raised on me and you, on our moms, on our fathers, taxes must be raised on my children, taxes must be raised on food, on water, on the phone, property taxes must go up, fees must go up. The price of food must rise, the price of gasoline must rise.

    The price of everything is going up so that Old Crock can shove green energy down our throats.

    Electrical rates are already too high and they are going up. I can barely afford electricity. I a have to watch the lights, turn off the TV, watch the fridge.

    Global warming and green energy are already costing americans a trillion dollars a year

    Each person in the USA is paying more for food because of Old Crock, literally, so far global warming and green energy have won.

    That is why the price of everything is at record highs. Sure some of it is the economy but much happened before the economy. Food prices went up way before the dollar lost value, food and electricity are going up as fast as windmills and solar farms.
     
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    Alternatives will be cheaper than coal.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030&page=4As

    Cheap as Coal
    The mix of WWS sources in our plan can reliably supply the residential, commercial, industrial and transportation sectors. The logical next question is whether the power would be affordable. For each technology, we calculated how much it would cost a producer to generate power and transmit it across the grid. We included the annualized cost of capital, land, operations, maintenance, energy storage to help offset intermittent supply, and transmission. Today the cost of wind, geothermal and hydroelectric are all less than seven cents a kilowatt-hour (¢/kWh); wave and solar are higher. But by 2020 and beyond wind, wave and hydro are expected to be 4¢/kWh or less.

    For comparison, the average cost in the U.S. in 2007 of conventional power generation and transmission was about 7¢/kWh, and it is projected to be 8¢/kWh in 2020. Power from wind turbines, for example, already costs about the same or less than it does from a new coal or natural gas plant, and in the future wind power is expected to be the least costly of all options. The competitive cost of wind has made it the second-largest source of new electric power generation in the U.S. for the past three years, behind natural gas and ahead of coal.
     
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    So I guess what Old Crock is saying with this link is you will be paying so much more for food that you will be forced to buy only rice, beans, and potatoes.

    Milk products will be only availalbe for the very rich, the politicians, or government employees.

    The variety of fresh produce will be limited to few products.

    The article states it well.

    Consumers will now pay for the damage we have done to the enviroment, prices for even basic human needs will consume 80% of our annual pay.
     
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    Did they add in the cost of the government subsidies for wind, solar and geothermal? I think not.
     
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    subsidies don't count. That's not real money. just ask rockhead.
     
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    Hey dingbats. Fossil fuels have long gotten subsidies. Now the end of those subsidies in sight. And we are subsidizing these alternatives only to get the clean energy going quickly.

    Clean energy is now clearly cheaper than dirty coal. When you factor in the polution from coal and natural gas, clean energy is cheap.

    You do realize that this is a Scientific American article, do you not? Kind of blows your nonsence out of the water. Cheaper than coal and clean. Cannot get any better than that.
     
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    I guess they don't teach spelling in carpentry school.
     
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    Coal isn't a cause of interest payments to China.
     
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    I thought OR was a millwright?
     
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    Clean energy is not cheap, I have proven that Old Crock has not responded, actually Old Crock posted articles showing Green Energy is more expensive, the MIT study on geothermal is very explicit stating Geothermal is very expensive. This is a MIT study that Old Crock used as his source.


    Old Crock should explain how much energy and pollution is used to create one ton of fiberglass, I can start by stating a windmill uses 260 tons of fiberglass. Fiberglass production is not green.

    Green energy is such a weak source of energy you cannot run heavy industry with the power created from all the worlds green energy put together. Without the power to supply heavy industry how do you build a windmill, geothermal, or solar plant.

    Not one source of energy is green, least of all solar, wind, and geothermal that per kilowatt use a greater percentage of natural resources, such a higher percentage its a negative gain, more energy goes into the production of green energy than ever comes out.

    Green Energy is raising the cost of food, water, electricity, clothing, and shelter.
     

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