Gore Is To Blame For Climatewarming Fail

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  1. Annie
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    Lots of truth in this. Who made the most money? Just the intro and conclusion. Lots of links:

    How Al Gore Wrecked Planet Earth - Walter Russell Mead's Blog - The American Interest

     
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    Hmmmm...... So when the predictions of major dislocations from the presently changing climate come true, the 'sceptics' are preparing a way out.

    No, Gore was not a liar, he was just incompetant at conveying the urgency of the message.

    Like I have been saying all along, you people are going to blame the scientists as the inevitable happens.

    And you are completely incapable of seeing the fundemental dishonesty of your position. Not a good survival trait.
     
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    There were warnings and admonishments to both sides, scientists and non. You did read it, right?

    I've yet to hear reasonable skeptics say we shouldn't address fuel efficiency, alternative fuels, recycling, etc.

    The question posed is whether doom is imminent and the jury is more than out on that issue.
     
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    Oh my, you are so right. The jury is way out on that.

    So what we have is a situation where things are rapidly changing, the people that study that change have been saying for over a hundred years that the cause of the change is the increase in GHGs created by the burning of fossil fuels. And the industry that profits on the use of those fuels has been fighting the facts with denial and lies for the last fifty years.

    And we see the change accelerating, we know that it is affecting life in the ocean at present in a negative manner, and, from past geological evidence, may create major disturbances in climate on land. Land that we depend on for agriculture. But, since we don't know for certain where the edge of the cliff is, just keep the hammer down on the accelorator, we have nothing to worry about.

    Not fighting alternative energies? LOL. Every time someone mentions wind, solar, or geothermal, there is a loud chorus of boos on this board.
     
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    Really? Perhaps you haven't been reading the distrust of destroying existing businesses while the new technologies aren't up to speed, nor even close. That the best source of new technologies will come from private sector, not government pay to study or worse, demand the regulations before the development? (Sort of like forcing green cars on GM, when the market demand isn't there?)

    OR, you refuse to acknowledge the possibility that there may be more than man made issues here, like cyclical. Again one needs to address the problem with the attempts to adjust temps, based on warmer friendly methods, and indeed ignore the known medieval warming period-where man made issues were non-existent regarding atmosphere.

    I'm not about to fight this all over again, however you would do well to read your posts from a year, two, more ago about not ignoring the information at hand. You didn't know about the manipulations then, but there is no excuse today.
     
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    I would say we are all doomed! But the shit won't hit the fan for about 10,000 years or so. Somebody dig me up and let me know when it happens!
     
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    Boy, the shit is already hitting the fan. And your children will surely see some real interesting times.
     
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    So they manipulated the glaciers? The ice caps?

    And how do you account for the fact that even the skeptics have to agree that it has been significantly warmer? Not my figures, theirs.

    In fact, there is very little evidence that they manipulated the figures. When you compare the figures they have to those of Spencers and Christys, there are only minor differances. Both show rapid warming.
     
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    I'm clueless to how you screwed up quotes so bad. Nonetheless, I'm not fighting this with you again-as neither of us will or can win-the jury is still out. I'm sure you don't like that, but here we are.

    From what I've read, I'm not in the auto industry and I'll make a stab in the dark that you aren't either, not only have 'green cars' sales been falling, the demand for used models is also down. That doesn't mean that there's not a future in them, my guess is there will be. However price and even 'good feelings' about owning them are working against currently. I'm sure both will change, though the later first.
     

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