GOP: Defund Planned Parenthood even if it didn’t break the law

[nat4900]

Your hypocrisy is noted and your poor attempt at pretending welfare programs you support are any different than those you don't support is not convincing.

Now, now......with just a bit of research, you'd find that virtually all meaningful cuts to welfare programs were done under the executive leadership of democrats. Irony of all ironies, don't you think?

 

[Avorysuds]

They have always opposed PP funding, the same way they oppose public broadcasting funding.

Not a Republican here but it makes fucking sense....

Like what is wrong with "you people" that you feel it's required that others pay for things simply because you agree with them but you froth at the mouth with hate when you are paying for things you don't agree with?

We are ~($18,000,000,000,000)~ trillion in debt and there is no path even being discussed on how to stop growing that debt, not a discussion on paying it off, just to stop growing it.

Here's why I like Libertarian ideals on how to run Government... Generally it recognized that requiring people to pay for open ended welfare to others leaves a door open for well, more welfare programs to be created. You can sit back and talk about cutting (lol) defense as a way to "pay" for bullshit like PP, but "my side" recognizes that taking money from 1 welfare program to fund another welfare program means no money was cut at all. In fact if you cut from military to pay for PP it's common sense that tells us politicians will simply entrench us in even more debt to re-fund the program they "stole" from to pay for another... Meaning if anything deficit spending will go up, not stay equal or decrease.

To have a place at the table of political theory you should at least be able to be consistent in the application of your theory. Your loose definitions of welfare leaves the door open to a never ending growth in new welfare programs. This means you will find yourself paying for programs generally supported by Republicans, like military, religious "stuff", tax cuts to big biz, tax credits and so on even when you elect the most intelligent President the world has ever seen coupled with a majority in congress. History shows and has proven that YOU CAN'T CUT WELFARE.

The answer should not be to claim welfare for PP is good and that welfare for corporations is bad in defense of keeping PP funded. But rather to realize that wealth redistribution by way of mal-investing in welfare vote buying programs as a whole is poor political structure in general.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.


If you ever wish to balance the budget and get out of debt, or end military from running around the world blowing shit up, you need to concede your hypocrisy. IE, you defending PP is you defending the Iraq war, you're simply too politically ignorant to see how and why that is.

Bye! =)

You know if you could run that post through the 'short and to the point' converter we might find that we mostly agree,

but I'm not going to wade through the underbrush of unnecessary verbosity you inflict on us to try to figure that out on my own.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is neither side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.

SO you have nothing to worry about, also no matter how many Dems hold office (Obama and a super majority) you will never get programs you dislike cut... Even when the cuts are promised to you.

You're making an argument against democratic government without proposing a viable alternative.

We have a constitution that is not followed. We have powers given to the federal Government and restrictions of power on that federal Government... yet despite the incredibly clear language in the constitution it was found that there are in fact no restrictions on what the Federal Government can and can't do. Given that newly found power of "we can do whatever the fuck we want" the Government has provided us with 18 trillion in welfare vote buying debt.

 

[nat4900]

18 trillion in welfare vote buying debt.

....but, conveniently you neglect to mention a leading cause of that humongous debt....care to guess what that cause is ?

(hint: Its not "welfare")

 

[NYcarbineer]

They have always opposed PP funding, the same way they oppose public broadcasting funding.

Not a Republican here but it makes fucking sense....

Like what is wrong with "you people" that you feel it's required that others pay for things simply because you agree with them but you froth at the mouth with hate when you are paying for things you don't agree with?

We are ~($18,000,000,000,000)~ trillion in debt and there is no path even being discussed on how to stop growing that debt, not a discussion on paying it off, just to stop growing it.

Here's why I like Libertarian ideals on how to run Government... Generally it recognized that requiring people to pay for open ended welfare to others leaves a door open for well, more welfare programs to be created. You can sit back and talk about cutting (lol) defense as a way to "pay" for bullshit like PP, but "my side" recognizes that taking money from 1 welfare program to fund another welfare program means no money was cut at all. In fact if you cut from military to pay for PP it's common sense that tells us politicians will simply entrench us in even more debt to re-fund the program they "stole" from to pay for another... Meaning if anything deficit spending will go up, not stay equal or decrease.

To have a place at the table of political theory you should at least be able to be consistent in the application of your theory. Your loose definitions of welfare leaves the door open to a never ending growth in new welfare programs. This means you will find yourself paying for programs generally supported by Republicans, like military, religious "stuff", tax cuts to big biz, tax credits and so on even when you elect the most intelligent President the world has ever seen coupled with a majority in congress. History shows and has proven that YOU CAN'T CUT WELFARE.

The answer should not be to claim welfare for PP is good and that welfare for corporations is bad in defense of keeping PP funded. But rather to realize that wealth redistribution by way of mal-investing in welfare vote buying programs as a whole is poor political structure in general.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.


If you ever wish to balance the budget and get out of debt, or end military from running around the world blowing shit up, you need to concede your hypocrisy. IE, you defending PP is you defending the Iraq war, you're simply too politically ignorant to see how and why that is.

Bye! =)

You know if you could run that post through the 'short and to the point' converter we might find that we mostly agree,

but I'm not going to wade through the underbrush of unnecessary verbosity you inflict on us to try to figure that out on my own.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is neither side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.

SO you have nothing to worry about, also no matter how many Dems hold office (Obama and a super majority) you will never get programs you dislike cut... Even when the cuts are promised to you.

You're making an argument against democratic government without proposing a viable alternative.

We have a constitution that is not followed. We have powers given to the federal Government and restrictions of power on that federal Government... yet despite the incredibly clear language in the constitution it was found that there are in fact no restrictions on what the Federal Government can and can't do. Given that newly found power of "we can do whatever the fuck we want" the Government has provided us with 18 trillion in welfare vote buying debt.

200 years of history disagree with you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They have always opposed PP funding, the same way they oppose public broadcasting funding.

Not a Republican here but it makes fucking sense....

Like what is wrong with "you people" that you feel it's required that others pay for things simply because you agree with them but you froth at the mouth with hate when you are paying for things you don't agree with?

We are ~($18,000,000,000,000)~ trillion in debt and there is no path even being discussed on how to stop growing that debt, not a discussion on paying it off, just to stop growing it.

Here's why I like Libertarian ideals on how to run Government... Generally it recognized that requiring people to pay for open ended welfare to others leaves a door open for well, more welfare programs to be created. You can sit back and talk about cutting (lol) defense as a way to "pay" for bullshit like PP, but "my side" recognizes that taking money from 1 welfare program to fund another welfare program means no money was cut at all. In fact if you cut from military to pay for PP it's common sense that tells us politicians will simply entrench us in even more debt to re-fund the program they "stole" from to pay for another... Meaning if anything deficit spending will go up, not stay equal or decrease.

To have a place at the table of political theory you should at least be able to be consistent in the application of your theory. Your loose definitions of welfare leaves the door open to a never ending growth in new welfare programs. This means you will find yourself paying for programs generally supported by Republicans, like military, religious "stuff", tax cuts to big biz, tax credits and so on even when you elect the most intelligent President the world has ever seen coupled with a majority in congress. History shows and has proven that YOU CAN'T CUT WELFARE.

The answer should not be to claim welfare for PP is good and that welfare for corporations is bad in defense of keeping PP funded. But rather to realize that wealth redistribution by way of mal-investing in welfare vote buying programs as a whole is poor political structure in general.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.


If you ever wish to balance the budget and get out of debt, or end military from running around the world blowing shit up, you need to concede your hypocrisy. IE, you defending PP is you defending the Iraq war, you're simply too politically ignorant to see how and why that is.

Bye! =)

You know if you could run that post through the 'short and to the point' converter we might find that we mostly agree,

but I'm not going to wade through the underbrush of unnecessary verbosity you inflict on us to try to figure that out on my own.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is neither side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.

SO you have nothing to worry about, also no matter how many Dems hold office (Obama and a super majority) you will never get programs you dislike cut... Even when the cuts are promised to you.

You're making an argument against democratic government without proposing a viable alternative.

We have a constitution that is not followed. We have powers given to the federal Government and restrictions of power on that federal Government... yet despite the incredibly clear language in the constitution it was found that there are in fact no restrictions on what the Federal Government can and can't do. Given that newly found power of "we can do whatever the fuck we want" the Government has provided us with 18 trillion in welfare vote buying debt.

You're arguing for dictatorship.

 

[Avorysuds]

And yet that un popular congress came to power because the majority of voters preferred them over the Democrats who were in power... Or wait, I'm sure you have a mentally retarded rebuttal somewhere.

Now look how popular they are. LOL.

I'm not defending them, simply pointing out that neither party is truly supported by the people. Both parties literally run on cutting massive programs that the party in power has created (over time) and once elected Dems and Republicans simply continue to expand old programs and create new ones.

Basically, Dems and Reps voters both want incredibly smaller Government, but once they elect their side into power they get more Government programs.... So it really does not matter who is unpopular today, vote in a Dem top replace that Republican and in very short time that Dems will let you down as they always have.

I agree, neither party truly wants to limit the government, however, democrats expand/create/maintain programs that benefit working people, republicans utilize the government to impose their moral beliefs..

Your hypocrisy is noted and your poor attempt at pretending welfare programs you support are any different than those you don't support is not convincing.

Medicaid is the single biggest 'welfare' program we have. It provides medical care to people who otherwise either can't afford it or would greatly burdened trying to afford it.

Let's hear your argument for abolishing Medicaid along with your argument for how what you would replace it with would make America a better society.

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

 

[Avorysuds]

Not a Republican here but it makes fucking sense....

Like what is wrong with "you people" that you feel it's required that others pay for things simply because you agree with them but you froth at the mouth with hate when you are paying for things you don't agree with?

We are ~($18,000,000,000,000)~ trillion in debt and there is no path even being discussed on how to stop growing that debt, not a discussion on paying it off, just to stop growing it.

Here's why I like Libertarian ideals on how to run Government... Generally it recognized that requiring people to pay for open ended welfare to others leaves a door open for well, more welfare programs to be created. You can sit back and talk about cutting (lol) defense as a way to "pay" for bullshit like PP, but "my side" recognizes that taking money from 1 welfare program to fund another welfare program means no money was cut at all. In fact if you cut from military to pay for PP it's common sense that tells us politicians will simply entrench us in even more debt to re-fund the program they "stole" from to pay for another... Meaning if anything deficit spending will go up, not stay equal or decrease.

To have a place at the table of political theory you should at least be able to be consistent in the application of your theory. Your loose definitions of welfare leaves the door open to a never ending growth in new welfare programs. This means you will find yourself paying for programs generally supported by Republicans, like military, religious "stuff", tax cuts to big biz, tax credits and so on even when you elect the most intelligent President the world has ever seen coupled with a majority in congress. History shows and has proven that YOU CAN'T CUT WELFARE.

The answer should not be to claim welfare for PP is good and that welfare for corporations is bad in defense of keeping PP funded. But rather to realize that wealth redistribution by way of mal-investing in welfare vote buying programs as a whole is poor political structure in general.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.


If you ever wish to balance the budget and get out of debt, or end military from running around the world blowing shit up, you need to concede your hypocrisy. IE, you defending PP is you defending the Iraq war, you're simply too politically ignorant to see how and why that is.

Bye! =)

You know if you could run that post through the 'short and to the point' converter we might find that we mostly agree,

but I'm not going to wade through the underbrush of unnecessary verbosity you inflict on us to try to figure that out on my own.

The entire purpose of welfare is to secure votes. The higher the dependency on welfare the more votes you get. Dems are seen as the welfare party for Unions, the poor and college students... Republicans are seen as welfare for churches, businesses and military... Reality is neither side will ever cut any welfare as cutting welfare others are now dependent on will yield you less votes and you will be demonized.

SO you have nothing to worry about, also no matter how many Dems hold office (Obama and a super majority) you will never get programs you dislike cut... Even when the cuts are promised to you.

You're making an argument against democratic government without proposing a viable alternative.

We have a constitution that is not followed. We have powers given to the federal Government and restrictions of power on that federal Government... yet despite the incredibly clear language in the constitution it was found that there are in fact no restrictions on what the Federal Government can and can't do. Given that newly found power of "we can do whatever the fuck we want" the Government has provided us with 18 trillion in welfare vote buying debt.

You're arguing for dictatorship.

Err what?

Claiming that the US could just follow the constitution is me arguing for a dictatorship???

 

[Skylar]

Republicans need to get their priorities straight.
GOP: Defund Planned Parenthood even if it didn’t break the law

Congressional Republicans say they are determined to shut Planned Parenthood down, regardless of whether it broke any laws.

In more than two months of investigations, members have yet to turn up evidence that Planned Parenthood acted illegally, the same conclusion reached by a half-dozen state investigations. The Department of Justice has so far declined to launch a formal probe.



Several Republicans acknowledged this week that they may never find proof of wrongdoing at Planned Parenthood — but said it doesn't matter.
“I don’t know whether we’re ever going to be able to answer that question, whether it was illegal for them to do what they were doing,” Rep. Raúl Labrador (R-Idaho) said during the House’s first hearing on the topic Wednesday. "I don’t know if it was illegal … but it was immoral, what was seen on that video."

Republicans have long been fierce critics of Planned Parenthood, which is the nation’s largest provider of abortion services. Under the law, the organization is banned from using federal funding for abortions, except in cases of rape, incest or medical necessity.

Stirred by outrage over secretly recorded videos at Planned Parenthood, Republicans opposed to abortion rights say it’s time to end federal funding for the group once and for all.

“The issue is not whether there’s been a crime committed or not,” Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas.) told the same group at the hearing. “This issue is whether or not taxpayers should fund Planned Parenthood. That’s the issue before this committee.”

Three House committees and six states have investigated Planned Parenthood since it was first targeted by the undercover videos in July. The Energy and Commerce Committee has interviewed two Planned Parenthood officials as well as officials from three tissue procurement companies that have partnered with the organization: Stem Express, Advanced Bioscience Resources, Inc. and Novogenix Laboratories.

Its not a matter of priorities. Its a matter of hypocrisy. Republicans don't care if Planned Parenthood broke the law. They care about stripping funds from an organization that funds abortion. And more fundamentally, in making abortion more difficult and more expensive to acquire.

Its like California in requiring ID for any purchase of ammo and forbidding online purchases. It had nothing to do with safety and everything to do with harassing those buying ammo in the hopes that they wouldn't do it.

Making rights difficult to exercise is republican bread and butter.

 

[David_42]

Now look how popular they are. LOL.

I'm not defending them, simply pointing out that neither party is truly supported by the people. Both parties literally run on cutting massive programs that the party in power has created (over time) and once elected Dems and Republicans simply continue to expand old programs and create new ones.

Basically, Dems and Reps voters both want incredibly smaller Government, but once they elect their side into power they get more Government programs.... So it really does not matter who is unpopular today, vote in a Dem top replace that Republican and in very short time that Dems will let you down as they always have.

I agree, neither party truly wants to limit the government, however, democrats expand/create/maintain programs that benefit working people, republicans utilize the government to impose their moral beliefs..

Your hypocrisy is noted and your poor attempt at pretending welfare programs you support are any different than those you don't support is not convincing.

Medicaid is the single biggest 'welfare' program we have. It provides medical care to people who otherwise either can't afford it or would greatly burdened trying to afford it.

Let's hear your argument for abolishing Medicaid along with your argument for how what you would replace it with would make America a better society.

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

Ah, here we go. 18 trillion. Yeah, we can thank a party refusing to raise taxes, imperialist ventures conducted by the US.. It can last for a very long time by doing simple things, then again, america has been around for a very long time, no nation lasts forever..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Now look how popular they are. LOL.

I'm not defending them, simply pointing out that neither party is truly supported by the people. Both parties literally run on cutting massive programs that the party in power has created (over time) and once elected Dems and Republicans simply continue to expand old programs and create new ones.

Basically, Dems and Reps voters both want incredibly smaller Government, but once they elect their side into power they get more Government programs.... So it really does not matter who is unpopular today, vote in a Dem top replace that Republican and in very short time that Dems will let you down as they always have.

I agree, neither party truly wants to limit the government, however, democrats expand/create/maintain programs that benefit working people, republicans utilize the government to impose their moral beliefs..

Your hypocrisy is noted and your poor attempt at pretending welfare programs you support are any different than those you don't support is not convincing.

Medicaid is the single biggest 'welfare' program we have. It provides medical care to people who otherwise either can't afford it or would greatly burdened trying to afford it.

Let's hear your argument for abolishing Medicaid along with your argument for how what you would replace it with would make America a better society.

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

That was not an argument for why abolishing Medicaid would make America better.

 

[Avorysuds]

And yet that un popular congress came to power because the majority of voters preferred them over the Democrats who were in power... Or wait, I'm sure you have a mentally retarded rebuttal somewhere.

Up to you to interpret if this is a "rebuttal" or not.....In 2014, it wasn't so much a "win" for republican, as much as a "loss" for democrats who did not bother to show up to vote.

In Nov. 2016, you may well see a democrat-led senate and quite a shift to the left in the House also.....I'm not guaranteeing that much will change, but it will finally shut up you right-leaning nitwits about the 2014 cycle.

Yeah so like I said...

And I'm not right leaning or a nitwit. Dems might win it all in 2016, but one thing is for sure, no programs Reps started will be cut, nor will any the Dems started.... No matter how bad they are or how much we can't afford them.

 

[Avorysuds]

I'm not defending them, simply pointing out that neither party is truly supported by the people. Both parties literally run on cutting massive programs that the party in power has created (over time) and once elected Dems and Republicans simply continue to expand old programs and create new ones.

Basically, Dems and Reps voters both want incredibly smaller Government, but once they elect their side into power they get more Government programs.... So it really does not matter who is unpopular today, vote in a Dem top replace that Republican and in very short time that Dems will let you down as they always have.

I agree, neither party truly wants to limit the government, however, democrats expand/create/maintain programs that benefit working people, republicans utilize the government to impose their moral beliefs..

Your hypocrisy is noted and your poor attempt at pretending welfare programs you support are any different than those you don't support is not convincing.

Medicaid is the single biggest 'welfare' program we have. It provides medical care to people who otherwise either can't afford it or would greatly burdened trying to afford it.

Let's hear your argument for abolishing Medicaid along with your argument for how what you would replace it with would make America a better society.

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

Ah, here we go. 18 trillion. Yeah, we can thank a party refusing to raise taxes, imperialist ventures conducted by the US.. It can last for a very long time by doing simple things, then again, america has been around for a very long time, no nation lasts forever..

Thank "a" party?

Heh, Obama had a super majority and with that he created more debt by the trillions in a short time and never raised taxes... In fact he bragged about a lot of tax credits.

Do I need to continue pointing out a near rabid amount of hypocrisy that you seem overflowing with?

Just so we know., how much should taxes be raised to close that 1.something trillion a year deficit we have?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Several Republicans acknowledged this week that they may never find proof of wrongdoing at Planned Parenthood — but said it doesn't matter."

How unsurprising, facts and the truth don't matter to most conservatives.

And there is no proof of 'wrongdoing' because there was no 'wrongdoing.'

 

[David_42]

I agree, neither party truly wants to limit the government, however, democrats expand/create/maintain programs that benefit working people, republicans utilize the government to impose their moral beliefs..

Your hypocrisy is noted and your poor attempt at pretending welfare programs you support are any different than those you don't support is not convincing.

Medicaid is the single biggest 'welfare' program we have. It provides medical care to people who otherwise either can't afford it or would greatly burdened trying to afford it.

Let's hear your argument for abolishing Medicaid along with your argument for how what you would replace it with would make America a better society.

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

Ah, here we go. 18 trillion. Yeah, we can thank a party refusing to raise taxes, imperialist ventures conducted by the US.. It can last for a very long time by doing simple things, then again, america has been around for a very long time, no nation lasts forever..

Thank "a" party?

Heh, Obama had a super majority and with that he created more debt by the trillions in a short time and never raised taxes... In fact he bragged about a lot of tax credits.

Do I need to continue pointing out a near rabid amount of hypocrisy that you seem overflowing with?

Just so we know., how much should taxes be raised to close that 1.something trillion a year deficit we have?

Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax drives sharp wedge between parties
He has tried other times as well.

 

[Avorysuds]

Your hypocrisy is noted and your poor attempt at pretending welfare programs you support are any different than those you don't support is not convincing.

Medicaid is the single biggest 'welfare' program we have. It provides medical care to people who otherwise either can't afford it or would greatly burdened trying to afford it.

Let's hear your argument for abolishing Medicaid along with your argument for how what you would replace it with would make America a better society.

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

Ah, here we go. 18 trillion. Yeah, we can thank a party refusing to raise taxes, imperialist ventures conducted by the US.. It can last for a very long time by doing simple things, then again, america has been around for a very long time, no nation lasts forever..

Thank "a" party?

Heh, Obama had a super majority and with that he created more debt by the trillions in a short time and never raised taxes... In fact he bragged about a lot of tax credits.

Do I need to continue pointing out a near rabid amount of hypocrisy that you seem overflowing with?

Just so we know., how much should taxes be raised to close that 1.something trillion a year deficit we have?

Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax drives sharp wedge between parties
He has tried other times as well.

So he waited till after he lost his super majority of 2 years to "try"....

Thanks for proving my point.

I thought I was clear in pointing out the super majority, so it's interesting that you tried to circumvent that to make an argument.... No doubt you believe you are making a fool of me somehow too.

 

[David_42]

Medicaid is the single biggest 'welfare' program we have. It provides medical care to people who otherwise either can't afford it or would greatly burdened trying to afford it.

Let's hear your argument for abolishing Medicaid along with your argument for how what you would replace it with would make America a better society.

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

Ah, here we go. 18 trillion. Yeah, we can thank a party refusing to raise taxes, imperialist ventures conducted by the US.. It can last for a very long time by doing simple things, then again, america has been around for a very long time, no nation lasts forever..

Thank "a" party?

Heh, Obama had a super majority and with that he created more debt by the trillions in a short time and never raised taxes... In fact he bragged about a lot of tax credits.

Do I need to continue pointing out a near rabid amount of hypocrisy that you seem overflowing with?

Just so we know., how much should taxes be raised to close that 1.something trillion a year deficit we have?

Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax drives sharp wedge between parties
He has tried other times as well.

So he waited till after he lost his super majority of 2 years to "try"....

Thanks for proving my point.

I thought I was clear in pointing out the super majority, so it's interesting that you tried to circumvent that to make an argument.... No doubt you believe you are making a fool of me somehow too.

Err, no, not true at all.

 

[Avorysuds]

"Several Republicans acknowledged this week that they may never find proof of wrongdoing at Planned Parenthood — but said it doesn't matter."

How unsurprising, facts and the truth don't matter to most conservatives.

And there is no proof of 'wrongdoing' because there was no 'wrongdoing.'

It should not not be funded by tax payers no matter what, just like NPR shouldn't...

FYI I'm perfectly fine with peoples choice of abortion, but that's because I believe in individual rights, not a discriminatory system where people forced via tax to pay for others choices.

 

[Avorysuds]

We made it without it, and we are doomed to fiscal instability with it.... 18 trillion in debt....

The problem is you seem to think Medicaid will be around forever... You prolly think SS, Obamacare, PP and everything else will be around forever. You realize how big of an issue 18 trillion of debt is now correct? If you don't just pretend a Republican won the white in 2016 and you will quickly never stfu about the debt. So nopw imagine if you can what 20 trillion of debt is like, then 25 trillion... then 30... then 40.... Cuz, it ain't going down until it alllllll comes down.


Unless you have a way to get it under control I'd say it's safe to say your welfare-ism has failed, it's just not "official" because there's some time left on the clock.

Ah, here we go. 18 trillion. Yeah, we can thank a party refusing to raise taxes, imperialist ventures conducted by the US.. It can last for a very long time by doing simple things, then again, america has been around for a very long time, no nation lasts forever..

Thank "a" party?

Heh, Obama had a super majority and with that he created more debt by the trillions in a short time and never raised taxes... In fact he bragged about a lot of tax credits.

Do I need to continue pointing out a near rabid amount of hypocrisy that you seem overflowing with?

Just so we know., how much should taxes be raised to close that 1.something trillion a year deficit we have?

Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax drives sharp wedge between parties
He has tried other times as well.

So he waited till after he lost his super majority of 2 years to "try"....

Thanks for proving my point.

I thought I was clear in pointing out the super majority, so it's interesting that you tried to circumvent that to make an argument.... No doubt you believe you are making a fool of me somehow too.

Err, no, not true at all.

So, Dems with a super majority failed to collectively ban together and pass tax hikes?

 

[David_42]

Ah, here we go. 18 trillion. Yeah, we can thank a party refusing to raise taxes, imperialist ventures conducted by the US.. It can last for a very long time by doing simple things, then again, america has been around for a very long time, no nation lasts forever..

Thank "a" party?

Heh, Obama had a super majority and with that he created more debt by the trillions in a short time and never raised taxes... In fact he bragged about a lot of tax credits.

Do I need to continue pointing out a near rabid amount of hypocrisy that you seem overflowing with?

Just so we know., how much should taxes be raised to close that 1.something trillion a year deficit we have?

Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax drives sharp wedge between parties
He has tried other times as well.

So he waited till after he lost his super majority of 2 years to "try"....

Thanks for proving my point.

I thought I was clear in pointing out the super majority, so it's interesting that you tried to circumvent that to make an argument.... No doubt you believe you are making a fool of me somehow too.

Err, no, not true at all.

So, Dems with a super majority failed to collectively ban together and pass tax hikes?

You do realize dems are divided within their own party, right?

 

[Avorysuds]

Thank "a" party?

Heh, Obama had a super majority and with that he created more debt by the trillions in a short time and never raised taxes... In fact he bragged about a lot of tax credits.

Do I need to continue pointing out a near rabid amount of hypocrisy that you seem overflowing with?

Just so we know., how much should taxes be raised to close that 1.something trillion a year deficit we have?

Obama’s proposal to raise the capital gains tax drives sharp wedge between parties
He has tried other times as well.

So he waited till after he lost his super majority of 2 years to "try"....

Thanks for proving my point.

I thought I was clear in pointing out the super majority, so it's interesting that you tried to circumvent that to make an argument.... No doubt you believe you are making a fool of me somehow too.

Err, no, not true at all.

So, Dems with a super majority failed to collectively ban together and pass tax hikes?

You do realize dems are divided within their own party, right?

What I realize is that you use talking points provided by the politicians running or that hold office as proof of them being better. What you lack is providing their follow through. I don't care if Obama wanted or even tried to raise taxes, fact is it was predictable that he would fail as I believe he never had intentions of raising them. In fact Obama caved on every cut of Bush era polices that he promised, magically he managed to expand an overwhelming amount of them... But here you are, a fervent supporter of a party that talks about change but fails to deliver despite a super majority.

The bigger question is why do you even vote Democrat, what do you hope for when you know that even with a monstrous majority that you will ultimately be let down on just about every front? What will it take to get legislation passed that you actually agree with, 87% of all elected offices being Democrat, 95%?

You were scammed for your vote, deal ~