Good thing Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment and banned guns.....these criminals would be getting shot all over the place.

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Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment.....so criminals run free......if you are a citizen, you are at their mercy and if you go to far in trying to protect yourself....you will go to prison....

Leftists in the U.S. are destroying our police and releasing violent criminals...

Leftists in the U.K. seem to be doing the same thing....

Leftists are gonna leftist.......and innocent people don't matter...


Public safety is said to be one of the foundational principles of the British justice system. Today, that premise seems shaky at best. Take the case of Joshua Carney. In February, authorities paroled the Welshman after he had served part of a jail sentence for committing a series of burglaries in 2017. Carney has 47 prior convictions.

Less than a week after his release, he forced his way into a Cardiff house, locking a terrified woman inside. When her 14-year-old daughter heard her distress, she came downstairs. Carney proceeded to rape both the mother and the daughter. Last week, Carney was jailed for “life,” which means he’ll be up for parole in ten years.


It feels like the U.K. has emerged from its Covid-induced slumber to find that crime itself has been decriminalized. Consider the data for less serious offenses, such as burglary.

Of the 21,000 neighborhoods in England and Wales that suffered at least one burglary in the past three years, police failed to solve even a single case in 17,000 of those areas—a failure rate of 84 percent.



So....I ask this to vagabond and captain caveman....

Is it a better outcome that this woman and her 14 year old daughter were violently raped........instead of having a gun to kill the rapist?

Recorded crime in England and Wales is at a 20-year high, and just 6 percent of cases resulted in anyone being charged or issued a summons in 2021–2022—a 10 percent drop from 2014–2015.


With the streets of our major cities looking like scenes from The Purge, the public increasingly senses that the police have given up. According to recent data, only 57 percent of Londoners have confidence that the Met can be relied upon.
 
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Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment.....so criminals run free......if you are a citizen, you are at their mercy and if you go to far in trying to protect yourself....you will go to prison....

Leftists in the U.S. are destroying our police and releasing violent criminals...

Leftists in the U.K. seem to be doing the same thing....

Leftists are gonna leftist.......and innocent people don't matter...


Public safety is said to be one of the foundational principles of the British justice system. Today, that premise seems shaky at best. Take the case of Joshua Carney. In February, authorities paroled the Welshman after he had served part of a jail sentence for committing a series of burglaries in 2017. Carney has 47 prior convictions.

Less than a week after his release, he forced his way into a Cardiff house, locking a terrified woman inside. When her 14-year-old daughter heard her distress, she came downstairs. Carney proceeded to rape both the mother and the daughter. Last week, Carney was jailed for “life,” which means he’ll be up for parole in ten years.


It feels like the U.K. has emerged from its Covid-induced slumber to find that crime itself has been decriminalized. Consider the data for less serious offenses, such as burglary.

Of the 21,000 neighborhoods in England and Wales that suffered at least one burglary in the past three years, police failed to solve even a single case in 17,000 of those areas—a failure rate of 84 percent.



So....I ask this to vagabond and captain caveman....

Is it a better outcome that this woman and her 14 year old daughter were violently raped........instead of having a gun to kill the rapist?

Recorded crime in England and Wales is at a 20-year high, and just 6 percent of cases resulted in anyone being charged or issued a summons in 2021–2022—a 10 percent drop from 2014–2015.

With the streets of our major cities looking like scenes from The Purge, the public increasingly senses that the police have given up. According to recent data, only 57 percent of Londoners have confidence that the Met can be relied upon.
How many gun crimes and murders from guns to they have in country compared to the US?
 
How many gun crimes and murders from guns to they have in country compared to the US?

Before they banned guns they had a low crime rate…..now, after
Banning guns their gun crimes are going up.


You think you have a clever argument because Britain, in the past had low crime….but you fail because crime isn’t a static activity….their crime rates are going up because their welfare state has created more and more fatherless homes, and their immigration policies have brought in 3rd world males who now run the British drug gangs…..both groups are now driving the increase in violence.

So their gun control laws are doing nothing to keep crime in check and are simply keeping good people defenseless in the face of more and more aggressive and violent criminals.
 
How many gun crimes and murders from guns to they have in country compared to the US?

Now you answer the question….

Is it better that this woman and her daughter were violently raped by this criminal rather than the mother or daughter shooting and killing the criminal?

Which outcome do you prefer?
 
Before they banned guns they had a low crime rate…..now, after
Banning guns their gun crimes are going up.


You think you have a clever argument because Britain, in the past had low crime….but you fail because crime isn’t a static activity….their crime rates are going up because their welfare state has created more and more fatherless homes, and their immigration policies have brought in 3rd world males who now run the British drug gangs…..both groups are now driving the increase in violence.

So their gun control laws are doing nothing to keep crime in check and are simply keeping good people defenseless in the face of more and more aggressive and violent criminals.
So, they went from 3 per year to 5 and you're crowing about?

Answer the question asked.
 
Britain doesn't have the 2nd Amendment.....so criminals run free......if you are a citizen, you are at their mercy and if you go to far in trying to protect yourself....you will go to prison....

Leftists in the U.S. are destroying our police and releasing violent criminals...

Leftists in the U.K. seem to be doing the same thing....

Leftists are gonna leftist.......and innocent people don't matter...


Public safety is said to be one of the foundational principles of the British justice system. Today, that premise seems shaky at best. Take the case of Joshua Carney. In February, authorities paroled the Welshman after he had served part of a jail sentence for committing a series of burglaries in 2017. Carney has 47 prior convictions.

Less than a week after his release, he forced his way into a Cardiff house, locking a terrified woman inside. When her 14-year-old daughter heard her distress, she came downstairs. Carney proceeded to rape both the mother and the daughter. Last week, Carney was jailed for “life,” which means he’ll be up for parole in ten years.


It feels like the U.K. has emerged from its Covid-induced slumber to find that crime itself has been decriminalized. Consider the data for less serious offenses, such as burglary.

Of the 21,000 neighborhoods in England and Wales that suffered at least one burglary in the past three years, police failed to solve even a single case in 17,000 of those areas—a failure rate of 84 percent.



So....I ask this to vagabond and captain caveman....

Is it a better outcome that this woman and her 14 year old daughter were violently raped........instead of having a gun to kill the rapist?

Recorded crime in England and Wales is at a 20-year high, and just 6 percent of cases resulted in anyone being charged or issued a summons in 2021–2022—a 10 percent drop from 2014–2015.

With the streets of our major cities looking like scenes from The Purge, the public increasingly senses that the police have given up. According to recent data, only 57 percent of Londoners have confidence that the Met can be relied upon.
Not our country, but that's a good case for public hanging within 2 weeks after conviction. :dunno:
 
I did…. You won’t answer my questions…you coward
I would also not want the state to force either of those crime victims to carry the rapists offspring to term.

But you do while decrying the rapes and therefore support the rapist.
 
I would also not want the state to force either of those crime victims to carry the rapists offspring to term.

But you do while decrying the rapes and therefore support the rapist.
I say he should be hanged publicly right now.
 
I would rather have a country which doesn't have a gun violence rate 646X that of the UK.

Gun deaths in America: how many people killed in US compared to UK and rest of world

Now you have
I would rather have a country which doesn't have a gun violence rate 646X that of the UK.

Gun deaths in America: how many people killed in US compared to UK and rest of world


Wrong......you aren't even close


10,000 as an average number of gun murders in the United states each year....currently it is higher because in 2015 the democrat party decided to attack our police forces and they started releasing the most violent criminals, in particular gun felons, over and over again............some years more, some years less....later we can even bump that number up...but (spoiler), it won't change the underlying truth...



.10,000 gun murders a year X 246.....



We get?



2,460,000 gun murders....



246 years....and we average out to 2,460,000 gun murders........



European mass murder 1939-1945......

15 million innocent men, women and children....


More people murdered in 6 years than 246 years of gun murder in the U.S......

If you are generous and give 20,000 as the average gun murder number in the U.S per year....and that is way over the average......

4.92 million murdered with guns in the U.S. in 246 years....

Then.....

According to the Centers for Disease Control, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year for self defense....against rape, robbery, murder, beatings, stabbings, and even mass public shootings....

1.1 million times a year......in 15 years you have used guns to save lives more than the 15 million the Europeans murdered in 6 years...

The vast majority of the murdered were innocent men, women and children.....not collateral from the socialist war....simply murdered by their governments.....



Nope...........not freaking giving up our guns cause anti-gun fanatics tell us to trust the government....



As to the 15,000,000 million number...the source...

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NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists


By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1


And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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I would also not want the state to force either of those crime victims to carry the rapists offspring to term.

But you do while decrying the rapes and therefore support the rapist.


So......you want to kill the innocent baby? Makes sense, for leftists, murder is a ready made solution to most problems...as long as the victim is an innocent human.
 
I would also not want the state to force either of those crime victims to carry the rapists offspring to term.

But you do while decrying the rapes and therefore support the rapist.


And, coward, you still didn't answer the question.....

Which do you prefer.....the woman and 14 year old daughter are raped by this repeat criminal....or the mother or daughter uses a gun to shoot and kill their rapist?

Why won't you answer that question?
 
Now you have



Wrong......you aren't even close


10,000 as an average number of gun murders in the United states each year....currently it is higher because in 2015 the democrat party decided to attack our police forces and they started releasing the most violent criminals, in particular gun felons, over and over again............some years more, some years less....later we can even bump that number up...but (spoiler), it won't change the underlying truth...



.10,000 gun murders a year X 246.....



We get?



2,460,000 gun murders....



246 years....and we average out to 2,460,000 gun murders........



European mass murder 1939-1945......

15 million innocent men, women and children....


More people murdered in 6 years than 246 years of gun murder in the U.S......

If you are generous and give 20,000 as the average gun murder number in the U.S per year....and that is way over the average......

4.92 million murdered with guns in the U.S. in 246 years....

Then.....

According to the Centers for Disease Control, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year for self defense....against rape, robbery, murder, beatings, stabbings, and even mass public shootings....

1.1 million times a year......in 15 years you have used guns to save lives more than the 15 million the Europeans murdered in 6 years...

The vast majority of the murdered were innocent men, women and children.....not collateral from the socialist war....simply murdered by their governments.....



Nope...........not freaking giving up our guns cause anti-gun fanatics tell us to trust the government....



As to the 15,000,000 million number...the source...

=======

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists


By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1


And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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Thanks for bringing stupid into the discussion.
 
I would rather have a country which doesn't have a gun violence rate 646X that of the UK.

Gun deaths in America: how many people killed in US compared to UK and rest of world


Also, the majority of those killed in gun murder in the U.S. 70-80% of the victims are criminals...not innocent people. Of the other 20-30% of the victims, the vast majority are the friends, family and associates of criminals hit by mistake.....

Meanwhile, the 15 million people murdered between 1936-1945 in Europe after they banned guns......in order to keep their citizens safe.........they were not criminals, they were innocent men, women and children..........
 
Thanks for bringing stupid into the discussion.


You won't answer the question and you won't address the mass murder of 15 million innocent men, women and children in just a 6 year period.....

Of the two of us, you are the stupid one....
 
And, coward, you still didn't answer the question.....

Which do you prefer.....the woman and 14 year old daughter are raped by this repeat criminal....or the mother or daughter uses a gun to shoot and kill their rapist?

Why won't you answer that question?
I did already.

You want your guns and the crime that come with them.
 
You won't answer the question and you won't address the mass murder of 15 million innocent men, women and children in just a 6 year period.....

Of the two of us, you are the stupid one....
That happened in the UK?
 

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