Going to war for the eu and big oil?

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    Panetta: Syria Clash With Turkey May Escalate

    ABC NEWS
    October 7, 2012

    "The continued exchange of artillery fire between Syria and Turkey raises additional concerns that the conflict may escalate and spread to neighboring countries, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Saturday.

    Panetta said the U.S. is using its diplomatic channels to relay worries about the fighting in the hopes that it will not broaden.

    His comments came on the heels of warnings from Turkey's prime minister that his country is not far from war with Syria.


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    Turkey alleges Syria is firing mortars into Turkey
    thereby giving Turkey the right to retaliate by firing artillery into Syria.

    Mortar rounds fired from Syria have struck Turkey and have killed people.

    The question is:


    "WHO IN SYRIA IS FIRING MORTAR ROUNDS INTO TURKEY"


    Whoever is doing so it is not authorized by Syria's government to do so for it has much to lose and nothing to gain by doing so.

    What is most likely, and what to me appears a near certainty, is that operatives of the West are firing mortar rounds into Turkey seeking to thereby provide Turkey an excuse for going to war with Syria
    so as to overthrow Assad
    and thus enable the West to take control of Syria
    so as to control the flow of oil and gas from the Gulf to the EU,
    just as the West has tried to do in respect to Afghanistan
    in its failed effort to control the flow of oil and gas from Central Asia and the Mid East.

    Look at A MAP of the Mid-East and remember that the countries of the European Union (think NATO) are desperate for oil and gas
    and largely dependent upon Russia for their supplies of oil and gas,
    and recall that Quatar and other Gulf areas have immense stores of natural gas that to reach market in the EU must do so via pipelines.

    The US has no vital interest in providing the EU with natural gas, although money interests that control our elections do have an interest. The money to be made from portal to portal control of and passage of natural gas from the Gulf to the EU is almost unimaginable, but the US and the people of the US will-would not benefit from such money.

    We need to do what we can to end the possibility of a Mid East War, not promote one, for if push comes to shove, feckless America will be the loser,
    but by following the American age-long process of provoking war,
    those who control us via our ruling establishment
    are gambling our lives and possibly our future
    upon behalf of corporations and the European Union
    by attempting to provoke the start of a war
    that could end with the destruction of the ability of the West to compete with the East.

    But how can we end the war when Obama and Romney are but flip sides of the same coin?

    SHOCKLEY
     
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    We don't know yet. But I can tell you they want Syria completely destroyed and weak. That's why Saudi Arabia is slowly giving light and few weapons to the rebels. They want Syria to depend on them for the next decades after that. Just like Libya. It's politics. And they don't want the Muslim brotherhood to find a way to fix things fast.
     
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    Syria usin' cluster bombs on civilians...
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    Assad forces using cluster bombs in Syria war: Human Rights Watch
    14 Oct.`12 - Syrian government forces have dropped Russian-made cluster bombs over civilian areas in the past week as they battle to push back rebel gains, Human Rights Watch said on Sunday.
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    Dependence leash is power.
     
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    Tallyin' up the war crimes - on both sides...
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    A look at atrocities in Syria's civil war
    Nov 2,`12 -- International human rights groups say the vast majority of atrocities in Syria's civil war have been committed by the regime, but violations by those fighting to topple President Bashar Assad are on the rise as rebels gain more territory and a multitude of militias, jihadists and criminals join the armed opposition. Over 36,000 people have been killed since the uprising began in March 2011. The following are some of the atrocities committed over the course of the conflict.
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    Granny says Israel not gonna be able to strike Iran `cause dey gonna be fightin' Syria...
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    Israel drawn into Syria fighting for first time
    Nov 11,`12 -- Israel was drawn into the fighting in neighboring Syria for the first time Sunday, firing warning shots across the border after an errant mortar shell landed near an Israeli military installation in the Golan Heights.
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    Syrian civil war spreads to Lebanon...
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    Syria's civil war spills into Lebanon, 4 dead
    Dec 9,`12: Syria's civil war spilled over into neighboring Lebanon once again on Sunday, with gun battles in the northern city of Tripoli between supporters and opponents of President Bashar Assad's regime that left four dead.
     
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    Syrian regime on the ropes; finally admits they can't win...

    Syrian vice president says army can't win
    Dec 17,`12 -- Syria's vice president has acknowledged that the army cannot defeat the rebel forces trying to topple the regime and called for a negotiated settlement to save the country from ruin.
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    Dec 17,`12 -- It wasn't exactly a break-up moment between Iran and ally Bashar Assad. But Tehran's whiplash diplomacy over the weekend suggested its embrace of the Syrian president could be cooling.
     
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    Says you. According to all reports, the Syrian regime has been firing mortars and Scud missiles at the rebels, some of which have landed in Turkey.

    Has Syria denied this?


    Don't be manufacturing bullshit about our country being behind the mortars and Scuds landing in Turkey, dipshit.

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    Will Assad take the hint and step down?...

    Putin: Russia recognizes need for change in Syria
    Dec 20,`12 -- Russian President Vladimir Putin distanced himself further than ever before from his longtime ally in Syria on Thursday, saying he understands Syria needs change and that he is not protecting its president.
     

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