Gog Magog Ezekiel 38-39

[Clyde 154]

And who best knows this scripture of truth Dan 10:21? Not Jim, not Joe, & not Jesus.
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fights the prince of Persia).

Whom am I to believe.........the Word of God your personal biased interpretation? I choose to serve God through TRUTH.

And? Cherry picking a passage away from the contextual integrity of the entire chapter is nothing but a personal interpretation that is forbidden by God. The scriptures interpret themselves when read and comprehended IN CONTEXT.

The Apostle Peter, just as the Apostle Paul enlightens the Christian that they have a duty to Study the Word and acquire truthful knowledge from the scriptures (2 Peter 1, 2 Tim. 2). Peter In 2 Peter 1 goes on to declare the obvious, personal interpretation of any prophecy or scripture gives you nothing but false doctrine. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation." -- 2 Peter 1:19

The method used by all the FAKE CULTS are guilty of attempting to mold the scriptures around their personal interpretation instead of allowing the scriptures, the Word of God.....to mold their character. There is only one method to worship the God of Creation, IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH (John 4:23)......the very mission statement of Jesus Christ was to deliver truth from Heaven in order to save the Spirit of Man from eternal separation from the Creator.

Jesus claims to be THE TRUTH (John 14:6), He states that God's word is truth (John 17:17), and that you can know the truth and that truth shall set you free.(John 8:30-31). Jesus is either telling the TRUTH or He was LYING with these claims, you can't have it both ways, you can't claim they are merely His claims of truth but you have a different truth.

The word of God is our only weapon against the traps and snares of those who oppose God. (Hebrews 4:12) Jesus came to earth to USE THIS SWORD OF TRUTH (Matthew 10:34). There is a continued SPIRITUAL WARFARE still today......the Christian uses TRUTH to battle aginst the dark powers and principalities of this world. (Eph. 6:12) There is only one source of TRUTH as far as those seeking slavation must know.......The Word of God.

Its simple.......this statement is either TRUTH delivered by the Word of God, or its considered a lie by YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us (Law of Moses), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross." -- Col. 2:14

The same for this statement, "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law (of Moses); you have fallen from grace." -- Gal. 5:4

 

[HaShev]

Whom am I to believe.........the Word of God your personal biased interpretation? I choose to serve God through TRUTH.

And? Cherry picking a passage away from the contextual integrity of the entire chapter is nothing but a personal interpretation that is forbidden by God. The scriptures interpret themselves when read and comprehended IN CONTEXT.

The Apostle Peter, just as the Apostle Paul enlightens the Christian that they have a duty to Study the Word and acquire truthful knowledge from the scriptures (2 Peter 1, 2 Tim. 2). Peter In 2 Peter 1 goes on to declare the obvious, personal interpretation of any prophecy or scripture gives you nothing but false doctrine. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation." -- 2 Peter 1:19

The method used by all the FAKE CULTS are guilty of attempting to mold the scriptures around their personal interpretation instead of allowing the scriptures, the Word of God.....to mold their character. There is only one method to worship the God of Creation, IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH (John 4:23)......the very mission statement of Jesus Christ was to deliver truth from Heaven in order to save the Spirit of Man from eternal separation from the Creator.

Jesus claims to be THE TRUTH (John 14:6), He states that God's word is truth (John 17:17), and that you can know the truth and that truth shall set you free.(John 8:30-31). Jesus is either telling the TRUTH or He was LYING with these claims, you can't have it both ways, you can't claim they are merely His claims of truth but you have a different truth.

The word of God is our only weapon against the traps and snares of those who oppose God. (Hebrews 4:12) Jesus came to earth to USE THIS SWORD OF TRUTH (Matthew 10:34). There is a continued SPIRITUAL WARFARE still today......the Christian uses TRUTH to battle aginst the dark powers and principalities of this world. (Eph. 6:12) There is only one source of TRUTH as far as those seeking slavation must know.......The Word of God.

Its simple.......this statement is either TRUTH delivered by the Word of God, or its considered a lie by YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us (Law of Moses), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross." -- Col. 2:14

The same for this statement, "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law (of Moses); you have fallen from grace." -- Gal. hezekiah and Isaiah 53 about Israel5:4

What interpretation? I left a simple verse, it says Michael, it does not say Jesus, therefore you lose through your own excuse "that it's your interp" not as it's SIMPLY WRITTEN. If we had your interpretarion debate you'd lose, because every placement of Jesus is out of context and not who the verses are about, like Isaiah 9 being about King Hezekiah & Isaiah 53 about Israel.

 

[HaShev]

Perfect example of cherry picking to reinforce cognitive rigidity ( in this case belief in prophecy and a happy ending) .

Of course it is just another comfort story for Jews and Christians to latch on to -- the Goodies will defeat the Baddies in the last chapter , etc , etc.

But here , back in the real world , any strict or orthodox cult followers are useful because to the greater extent they pay their taxes and are compliant as good citizens .
An excellent type of Sheeple -- gullible and malleable .

They will believe almost anything, if they can link it to their Fairy Tales , and they will equally believe anything handed to Babylonthem if it is packaged appropriately .
Make excellent slaves .

They think they know better , rofl. Agree with them . Makes them Pushovers .
imho

Rome was the bad guy to them, subverting & taxing & controlling them, before that it was Babylon.
Because Rome was authority by proxy, there were many slang terms used so that authority didn't know underground they were being spoken about, like during revolts. To understand the Bible in certain eras & context, you need a lexicon, & commentary from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which show us referrence to understand the meaning of those words and imagery. Ex: Ships=Rome's soldiers
Sea=Rome 2horn red devil=horns=powers of authority so the scarlet beast is the color of Rome who used a 2horn system to control & invade kingdoms through. The political horn masked behind the religuous horn, so they could collect tithes (taxes) in the guise of it veing to their cultures gods, hence avoiding the many tax revolts.
One of the 3Christs used in the Jesus myth the Galilean named Yehuda was a tax revolter hence the comments about not paying taxes seen in the NT.
Rome was also called Kittim, revolters used that phrase in secrecy also, so you find it in scrolls, that's who they mean, it's not another group or sect. In other words, if you don't know the meaning of Biblical era terms/slang it's like parents not knowing their kids slang (who use it to hide acts from their authoritative parents) and therefore parents confusing everything said by lack of defining each term in it's proper usage.

 

[Clyde 154]

""

"NT" became a blue print for MASSIVE GENOCIDE

Point out the Book, Chapter and Verse in the N.T. Doctrine that authorizes "MASSIVE GENOCIDE". As stated, its the words of Jesus Christ that shall judge..........not the words of men. (John 12:47) You have the N.T. confused with the O.T. as far as promoting genocide, as Biblical Israel lived by the law of an eye for an eye.

 

[Clyde 154]

What interpretation? I left a simple verse, it says Michael, it does not say Jesus, therefore you lose through your own excuse "that it's your interp" not as it's SIMPLY WRITTEN. If we had your interpretarion debate you'd lose, because every placement of Jesus is out of context and not who the verses are about, like Isaiah 9 being about King Hezekiah & Isaiah 53 about Israel.

You are cherry picking a single passage away from the entirety of Daniel's prophecies.

When read in context these areTHE MESSENGER ANGELS. That is the duty of an angel (Heb.2:2).......a messenger that is sent, much like the messenger angel in Revelation 1:1, sent from heaven via Christ Jesus to signify things that are to shortly take place.

Angels: Are: Messengers: (Heb.2:2). Their number is to great to count, just as described in Revelation (Heb. 12:22, Rev.5:11) Of that vast number of angels.......men only know 2 angels by name (Michael Jude 9, and Gabriel Luke 1:19, Dan. 10:13-21, Dan. 8:16, 9:21) Angels are Spiritual beings (Heb. 1:4), They are part of the original creation being spirit beings (Col. 1:16-17) created with the rest of the world (Ps. 148:2-5). Jesus was not created............He was with God in the Beginning and was God, it was Jesus whom created the world (John 1:3, Col. 1:16, 1 Cor. 8:6, John 1:10)

Most importantly.........no angel is to be worshiped, they are fellow servants of God, even the arch angels, along with men and are not to be worshiped (Rev. 19:10)

The Book of Daniel is simply prophesying concerning certain events of what is now History. Even when you project that prophecy into the future.........the prophecy points to the Roman Empire of the 1st century, which in reality is the 4th Great Empire mentioned by Daniel.

This Kingdom of God being foretold......which would be ruled by the Messiah of prophecy would be constructed during the reign of the 4th Great Empire on Earth. Read All of Daniels prophecies ........the kingdom would be established, an everlasting kingdom without end, having all the nations on earth under its command........during the timeline of the 4th great empire on earth (Daniel 2:40,44) That Kingdom belongs to Jesus Christ, who was made both Lord and Christ by the Father (Acts 2:36)

When was the 4th great empire on earth? Rome 1st century A.D. The Kingdom of God is not yet to come.....its been on earth for over 2000 years now. Just as Jesus declared, it came in the 1st century (Mark 9:1, Matthew 16:28). To be saved you do not worship a created angel, you must worship the Godhead and be baptized into the Kingdom .......that Godhead consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19)

 

[irosie91]

Whom am I to believe.........the Word of God your personal biased interpretation? I choose to serve God through TRUTH.

And? Cherry picking a passage away from the contextual integrity of the entire chapter is nothing but a personal interpretation that is forbidden by God. The scriptures interpret themselves when read and comprehended IN CONTEXT.

The Apostle Peter, just as the Apostle Paul enlightens the Christian that they have a duty to Study the Word and acquire truthful knowledge from the scriptures (2 Peter 1, 2 Tim. 2). Peter In 2 Peter 1 goes on to declare the obvious, personal interpretation of any prophecy or scripture gives you nothing but false doctrine. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation." -- 2 Peter 1:19

The method used by all the FAKE CULTS are guilty of attempting to mold the scriptures around their personal interpretation instead of allowing the scriptures, the Word of God.....to mold their character. There is only one method to worship the God of Creation, IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH (John 4:23)......the very mission statement of Jesus Christ was to deliver truth from Heaven in order to save the Spirit of Man from eternal separation from the Creator.

Jesus claims to be THE TRUTH (John 14:6), He states that God's word is truth (John 17:17), and that you can know the truth and that truth shall set you free.(John 8:30-31). Jesus is either telling the TRUTH or He was LYING with these claims, you can't have it both ways, you can't claim they are merely His claims of truth but you have a different truth.

The word of God is our only weapon against the traps and snares of those who oppose God. (Hebrews 4:12) Jesus came to earth to USE THIS SWORD OF TRUTH (Matthew 10:34). There is a continued SPIRITUAL WARFARE still today......the Christian uses TRUTH to battle aginst the dark powers and principalities of this world. (Eph. 6:12) There is only one source of TRUTH as far as those seeking slavation must know.......The Word of God.

Its simple.......this statement is either TRUTH delivered by the Word of God, or its considered a lie by YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us (Law of Moses), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross." -- Col. 2:14

The same for this statement, "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law (of Moses); you have fallen from grace." -- Gal. 5:4

LOL at jelly-bean school "personal interpretation"

 

[Clyde 154]

LOL at jelly-bean school "personal interpretation"

Said the reprobate Jew that is yet to present any evidence of your faith.....in any orthodox manner by presenting knowledge of any book, chapter or verse in any tranlsation. Clearly you are ignorant of your supposed heritage as demonstrated by your ad homeniem BS responses. If you can't run with the big dogs its best to stay on the porch. Its basic Pyshcology 101.....laughter attempts to hide anger.

There is a list provided in the O.T. exactly for such people as yourself. Proverbs 1:22, The fool does not want to learn. The fool rejects correction -- Proverbs 15:5. The fool acts like they are learning..but in reality nothing ever changes the fool incapable of learning (Matthew 7:26-27). The fool goes through life in the darkness of ignorance -- Eccl. 2:14 The fool always reveals his/her foolishness through the language they use, example...see above -- Proverbs 13:16

The fool is never interested in anything except their own voice, he/she just spouts off -- Proverbs 18:2 Once his/her mouth begins flapping everyone knows there is nothing of substance there -- Proverbs 12:23. The fool does not use reason and logic......they are guided by their "emotions"......can anyone say LIBERAL pretending to be something they are not? -- Proverbs 28:6

The fool is quickly angered -- Eccl. 7:9. The fools attempts to hide their anger behind a mask of humor and backstabbing barbs -- Proverbs 10:18

The list is goes on and on..........As stated, we are to learn from the mistakes made by those who refused to obey the law of Moses.

 

[HaShev]

You are cherry picking a single passage away from the entirety of Daniel's prophecies.

When read in context these areTHE MESSENGER ANGELS. That is the duty of an angel (Heb.2:2).......a messenger that is sent, much like the messenger angel in Revelation 1:1, sent from heaven via Christ Jesus to signify things that are to shortly take place.

Angels: Are: Messengers: (Heb.2:2). Their number is to great to count, just as described in Revelation (Heb. 12:22, Rev.5:11) Of that vast number of angels.......men only know 2 angels by name (Michael Jude 9, and Gabriel Luke 1:19, Dan. 10:13-21, Dan. 8:16, 9:21) Angels are Spiritual beings (Heb. 1:4), They are part of the original creation being spirit beings (Col. 1:16-17) created with the rest of the world (Ps. 148:2-5). Jesus was not created............He was with God in the Beginning and was God, it was Jesus whom created the world (John 1:3, Col. 1:16, 1 Cor. 8:6, John 1:10)

Most importantly.........no angel is to be worshiped, they are fellow servants of God, even the arch angels, along with men and are not to be worshiped (Rev. 19:10)

The Book of Daniel is simply prophesying concerning certain events of what is now History. Even when you project that prophecy into the future.........the prophecy points to the Roman Empire of the 1st century, which in reality is the 4th Great Empire mentioned by Daniel.

This Kingdom of God being foretold......which would be ruled by the Messiah of prophecy would be constructed during the reign of the 4th Great Empire on Earth. Read All of Daniels prophecies ........the kingdom would be established, an everlasting kingdom without end, having all the nations on earth under its command........during the timeline of the 4th great empire on earth (Daniel 2:40,44) That Kingdom belongs to Jesus Christ, who was made both Lord and Christ by the Father (Acts 2:36)

When was the 4th great empire on earth? Rome 1st century A.D. The Kingdom of God is not yet to come.....its been on earth 1-for over 2000 years now. Just as Jesus declared, it came in the 1st century (Mark 9:1, Matthew 16:28). To be saved you do not worship a created angel, you must worship the Godhead and be baptized into Christian talking points likethe Kingdom .......that Godhead consists of the Father, 1stthe Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew Truth28:19)

No and names don't change otherwise Jesus is no longer a valid prophecy, nor valid to say Jesus is in everything you take out of context and cherry pick for a false narrative, in other words you busted your own talking points. Is Dan out of context in Dan 12:1-4? Plus you can look up online the Messenger (Malakh)of truth is not Jesus, the Dead Sea Scrolls commentary validates what Dan 10:21 says. That means Jesus coming as the 1st and fallen messiah impostering the Shiloh is therefore Lucifer as he claimed himself to be at the end of the Roman joke
-rev 22:16
See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)
“So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
“... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

 

[irosie91]

Said the reprobate Jew that is yet to present any evidence of your faith.....in any orthodox manner by presenting knowledge of any book, chapter or verse in any tranlsation. Clearly you are ignorant of your supposed heritage as demonstrated by your ad homeniem BS responses. If you can't run with the big dogs its best to stay on the porch. Its basic Pyshcology 101.....laughter attempts to hide anger.

There is a list provided in the O.T. exactly for such people as yourself. Proverbs 1:22, The fool does not want to learn. The fool rejects correction -- Proverbs 15:5. The fool acts like they are learning..but in reality nothing ever changes the fool incapable of learning (Matthew 7:26-27). The fool goes through life in the darkness of ignorance -- Eccl. 2:14 The fool always reveals his/her foolishness through the language they use, example...see above -- Proverbs 13:16

The fool is never interested in anything except their own voice, he/she just spouts off -- Proverbs 18:2 Once his/her mouth begins flapping everyone knows there is nothing of substance there -- Proverbs 12:23. The fool does not use reason and logic......they are guided by their "emotions"......can anyone say LIBERAL pretending to be something they are not? -- Proverbs 28:6

The fool is quickly angered -- Eccl. 7:9. The fools attempts to hide their anger behind a mask of humor and backstabbing barbs -- Proverbs 10:18

The list is goes on and on..........As stated, we are to learn from the mistakes made by those who refused to obey the law of Moses.

I got news for the jelly bean school valedictorian ----the book of Daniel
was written in Hebraized aramaic by a jew-----the jelly-bean translation
is virtually meaningless

 

[Clyde 154]

No and names don't change otherwise Jesus is no longer a valid prophecy, nor valid to say Jesus is in everything you take out of context and cherry pick for a false narrative, in other words you busted your own talking points. Is Dan out of context in Dan 12:1-4? Plus you can look up online the Messenger (Malakh)of truth is not Jesus, the Dead Sea Scrolls commentary validates what Dan 10:21 says. That means Jesus coming as the 1st and fallen messiah impostering the Shiloh is therefore Lucifer as he claimed himself to be at the end of the Roman joke
-rev 22:16
See Lucifer here etymology of "": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677)
“So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star (LUCIFER)rises in your hearts.” -- 2 Peter 1:19
“... from my Father. To the one who conquers(DESTROYS) I will also give the morning star(LUCIFER).” -- Revelation 2:28
· Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things in the churches.
· I am the bright and Morning Star (lucifer)

Paul makes it perfectly clear that Jesus is the Son of God and superior to any angel. "For to which of His angels did He ever say, "You are My Son, today I have begotten You"? And again, I will be to Him a Father and He shall be to Me a Son? But when He again brings the first born into the world, He says, "Let the angels worship Him.........., and of the angels He says, "who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire." BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER............" Hebrews 1 goes on to declare that Jesus the Son of God, ".......in the beginning laid the foundation of the world....." -- Hebrews 1:5-15 All angels to include the archangels are created beings, Jesus always was I AM, through Him the worlds are made.

Some might declare that Jesus is an archangel, because He will return from Heaven with the sound of an Archangel at His coming, and that makes Jesus an archangel, because Jesus is accompained by the sound of an Archangel? But the same passage of scriptures declares that Jesus will return with the Sound of God's Trumpet........does that not make Jesus GOD? If not why not? 1 Thess. 4:16. Strange is the fact that Michael is never mentioned as the Archangel who shout will accompany Jesus. No where in the Holy Scriptures are these angels named except where it has been previously documented.

 

[irosie91]

Paul never met Jesus-----THAT is CLEAR

 

[fncceo]

No I can read and do read history.

This ... in NOT history.

 

[HaShev]

Paul makes it perfectly clear that Jesus is the Son of God and superior to any angel. "For to which of His angels did He ever say, "You are My Son, today I have begotten You"? And again, I will be to Him a Father and He shall be to Me a Son? But when He again brings the first born into the world, He says, "Let the angels worship Him.........., and of the angels He says, "who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire." BUT TO THE SON HE SAYS, YOUR THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER............" Hebrews 1 goes on to declare that Jesus the Son of God, ".......in the beginning laid the foundation of the world....." -- Hebrews 1:5-15 All angels to include the archangels are created beings, Jesus always was I AM, through Him the worlds are made.

Some might declare that Jesus is an archangel, because He will return from Heaven with the sound of an Archangel at His coming, and that makes Jesus an archangel, because Jesus is accompained by the sound of an Archangel? But the same passage of scriptures declares that Jesus will return with the Sound of God's Trumpet........does that not make Jesus GOD? If not why not? 1 Thess. 4:16. Strange is the fact that Michael is never mentioned as the Archangel who shout will accompany Jesus. No where in the Holy Scriptures are these angels named except where it has been previously documented.

So you just admited Jesus was the only other archangel =Lucifer, which is what the NT tells you and proper simple sequences, Lucifer comes first, Jesus came first,simple logical sequences seen in any IQ test.

 

[HaShev]

Paul never met Jesus-----THAT is CLEAR

Plus which paul and which christ is also problematic to the discussion of a legend not historical personas.

 

[Clyde 154]

So you just admited Jesus was the only other archangel =Lucifer, which is what the NT tells you and proper simple sequences, Lucifer comes first, Jesus came first,simple logical sequences seen in any IQ test.

How can anyone admit that there are only 2 archangels when the scriptures detail there are uncountable angels (messengers) under God's command? -- Heb. 12:22. Where have I declared that only 2 archangels exist? I declared and proved that only 2 angels of any nature (all are servants of God) are mentioned by name in the Holy Scriptures.

Show me in the Holy Scriptures (the only verifiable method to know and comprehends God's will) where the number of archangels are limited to the 2 mentioned in scripture. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You have just presented a LOGICAL FALLACY......a negative that you can't prove. As God does not reveal everything, only those things pertaining to life and godliness through His Son Christ Jesus (2 Peter 1:3-10)

Again.......clear and unambiguous text that is literal not signified/symbloic that explains that All Angels are Spiritual Beings that were created along with everything else in the beginning..........while Jesus preexisted the creation of the world and the things visible and invisible that were made/created.


Angels are Spirit Beings sent out by God to "serve" for the sake of those seeking salvation (Hebrews 1:14). A spirit has neither flesh nor bones as detailed by Jesus Christ Himself........Jesus had flesh and blood after His resurrection, "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself (Jesus); handle Me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as ye see Me have...." -- Luke 24:39

Tell us again how Jesus could be an angel.......yet is responsible for creating all things visible and invisible,

"For by Him (Jesus) all things were created (all things to include the angels) IN HEAVEN and on earth; VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE (again, spirits can be visble and invisible, but have no flesh or bones), thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities (again......archangels are authoritive spirt beings in heaven)........ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM (Jesus). And He (Jesus) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS (to include the archangels) and in Him all things hold together." -- Col. 1:16-17

In order to reason or argue that Jesus is an archangel.........you will have to deny the truth presented in the Holy Scriptures.

Again demonstrating your cults FALSE and DECEPTIVE Doctrine of evil. I look upon the JW's and its Kingdom Hall and give it the same respect as I would the cults directed by Jim Jones, David Koresh, or even the Heavens Gate cult........what? Are you awaiting your ride on a coment's tail also? You certainly can't document your cults existence in the Holy Scriptures, thus you must use your own translation that suits your false ideology..........the New World Translation, where there has been inserted into the langaue........extra details that do not exist in other viable modern translations, as you have already demonstrated........when you attempted to declare that Michael is mentioned elsewhere other than the those in the original text.

 

[HaShev]

How can anyone admit that there are only 2 archangels when the scriptures detail there are uncountable angels (messengers) under God's command? -- Heb. 12:22. Where have I declared that only 2 archangels exist? I declared and proved that only 2 angels of any nature (all are servants of God) are mentioned by name in the Holy Scriptures.

Show me in the Holy Scriptures (the only verifiable method to know and comprehends God's will) where the number of archangels are limited to the 2 mentioned in scripture. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You have just presented a LOGICAL FALLACY......a negative that you can't prove. As God does not reveal everything, only those things pertaining to life and godliness through His Son Christ Jesus (2 Peter 1:3-10)

Again.......clear and unambiguous text that is literal not signified/symbloic that explains that All Angels are Spiritual Beings that were created along with everything else in the beginning..........while Jesus preexisted the creation of the world and the things visible and invisible that were made/created.


Angels are Spirit Beings sent out by God to "serve" for the sake of those seeking salvation (Hebrews 1:14). A spirit has neither flesh nor bones as detailed by Jesus Christ Himself........Jesus had flesh and blood after His resurrection, "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself (Jesus); handle Me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as ye see Me have...." -- Luke 24:39

Tell us again how Jesus could be an angel.......yet is responsible for creating all things visible and invisible,

"For by Him (Jesus) all things were created (all things to include the angels) IN HEAVEN and on earth; VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE (again, spirits can be visble and invisible, but have no flesh or bones), thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities (again......archangels are authoritive spirt beings in heaven)........ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM (Jesus). And He (Jesus) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS (to include the archangels) and in Him all things hold together." -- Col. 1:16-17

In order to reason or argue that Jesus is an archangel.........you will have to deny the truth presented in the Holy Scriptures.

Again demonstrating your cults FALSE and DECEPTIVE Doctrine of evil. I look upon the JW's and its Kingdom Hall and give it the same respect as I would the cults directed by Jim Jones, David Koresh, or even the Heavens Gate cult........what? Are you awaiting your ride on a coment's tail also? You certainly can't document your cults existence in the Holy Scriptures, thus you must use your own translation that suits your false ideology..........the New World Translation, where there has been inserted into the langaue........extra details that do not exist in other viable modern translations, as you have already demonstrated........when you attempted to declare that Michael is mentioned elsewhere other than the those in the original text.

Go to any dictionary or web search for the word "TOP" and learn what it means, all quarterbacks can't be top quarterbacks, all basketball players can't be top player, top means nobody above them. Now look up the word Shiloh, for "one who's right it is" means someone stole/impostered the true top malakh, the first fallen claimed top dog was just a phoney place setter for the Shiloh. You would know this even if you never read the stories in the Bible, if you just knew the story of how Yeru-Shalem becomes the city of Shalom (when the Evening Star removes/overturns the Morning star).

 

[Clyde 154]

Go to any dictionary or web search for the word "TOP" and learn what it means, all quarterbacks can't be top quarterbacks, all basketball players can't be top player, top means nobody above them. Now look up the word Shiloh, for "one who's right it is" means someone stole/impostered the true top malakh, the first fallen claimed top dog was just a phoney place setter for the Shiloh. You would know this even if you never read the stories in the Bible, if you just knew the story of how Yeru-Shalem becomes the city of Shalom (when the Evening Star removes/overturns the Morning star).

Again......why speak in riddles and conjecutre when the Truth is easy to document by Book, Chapter and Verse? I have presented the exact location in the Holy Scriptures that define Jesus as the Son of God, and the scriptural location that proves that angels are created spirtual beings that have one mission to, serve God (Eccl. 12:13-14), just like the prupose of man is to serve God, and Jesus pre-existed all of creation, as the world and all things, invisible and visible in Heaven and on Earth where created TROUGH Jesus Christ that Son of God. (Hebrews 1:1-8)..........Jesus could not be an angel.

There is no nourishment provided by chewing on a dry bone. I simply defend the truth as presented by Book, Chapter and Verse. The scriptures are clear and unambiguous, "By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent His ONE AND ONLY SON INTO THE WORLD THAT WE MIGHT LIVE THROUGH HIM." -- 1 John 4:9

As far as Michael and Gabriel being the only 2 archangels.....they are the only angels known by name, but the scriptures enlighten us to the fact that there are more than 2 archangels serving God, as messengers and leaders of angels. In the scriptures Michael is mentioned as JUST ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES.........(Daniel 10:13). What? Are we to believe that God had more than ONE SON when the scriptures tell us that God had only ONE SON? (1 John 4:9, John 3:16, John 1:1-14)

 

[HaShev]

Again......why speak in riddles and conjecutre when the Truth is easy to document by Book, Chapter and Verse? I have presented the exact location in the Holy Scriptures that define Jesus as the Son of God, and the scriptural location that proves that angels are created spirtual beings that have one mission to, serve God (Eccl. 12:13-14), just like the prupose of man is to serve God, and Jesus pre-existed all of creation, as the world and all things, invisible and visible in Heaven and on Earth where created TROUGH Jesus Christ that Son of God. (Hebrews 1:1-8)..........Jesus could not be an angel.



There is no nourishment provided by chewing on a dry bone. I simply defend the truth as presented by Book, Chapter and Verse. The scriptures are clear and unambiguous, "By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent His ONE AND ONLY SON INTO THE WORLD THAT WE MIGHT LIVE THROUGH HIM." -- 1 John 4:9



As far as Michael and Gabriel being the only 2 archangels.....they are the only angels known by name, but the scriptures enlighten us to the fact that there are more than 2 archangels serving God, as messengers and leaders of angels. In the scriptures Michael is mentioned as JUST ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES.........(Daniel 10:13). What? Are we to believe that God had more than ONE SON when the scriptures tell us that God had only ONE SON? (1 John 4:9, John 3:16, John 1:1-14)

This falls into the comments I made about knowing meaning of Biblical terms in it's day and context, especially when transliteration and terms don't always translate well from various culture's languages to our language now.

The term "Son of" in context means "reflection of" not out of the loins lineage son. Your error usage of the term comes from Rome creating the 1 world religion,

1)they mean it literal to compete with similar deities.

2God)they are imitating the dying god mythology of the Canaanites whereby the son called morning star surpasses his father Baal on the throne by dying & bringing attention to himself as the new mask for Baal.

So in scripture the term son of God given David=reflection of God, Solomon was also deemed God's son as was the children of Israel=sons of God. So how can Jesus be God's only begotten, that does not fit reality, it fits a cult method to seperate itself in authority through a deified image=idol worship.

Your grabbing a fantasy mistaken interp has only one notation in Judaic prophecy as a warning of a bad thing:

These children of the Morning Star age are also referred to as the following;

Scrolls:An Aramaic Apocalypse" 4Q246 part2

"The Son of God he will be proclaimed (or proclaim himself) and the son of the most high they will call him....They will reign for years on the earth & they will trample all. People will trample people

(THIS has Happened in the Name of the Church of the morning star-Rev 22:16) Over 50 million murders in thousands of wars trying to convert people to Lucifer worship.

Again......why speak in riddles and conjecutre when the Truth is easy to document by Book, Chapter and Verse? I have presented the exact location in the Holy Scriptures that define Jesus as the Son of God, and the scriptural location that proves that angels are created spirtual beings that have one mission to, serve God (Eccl. 12:13-14), just like the prupose of man is to serve God, and Jesus pre-existed all of creation, as the world and all things, invisible and visible in Heaven and on Earth where created TROUGH Jesus Christ that Son of God. (Hebrews 1:1-8)..........Jesus could not be an angel.

There is no nourishment provided by chewing on a dry bone. I simply defend the truth as presented by Book, Chapter and Verse. The scriptures are clear and unambiguous, "By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent His ONE AND ONLY SON INTO THE WORLD THAT WE MIGHT LIVE THROUGH HIM." -- 1 John 4:9

As far as Michael and Gabriel being the only 2 archangels.....they are the only angels known by name, but the scriptures enlighten us to the fact that there are more than 2 archangels serving God, as messengers and leaders of angels. In the scriptures Michael is mentioned as JUST ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES.........(Daniel 10:13). What? Are we to believe that God had more than ONE SON when the scriptures tell us that God had only ONE SON? (1 John 4:9, John 3:16, John 1:1-14)

This falls into the comments I made about knowing meaning of Biblical terms in it's day and context, especially when transliteration and terms don't always translate well from various culture's languages to our language now.

The term "Son of" in context means "reflection of" not out of the loins lineage son. Your error usage of the term comes from Rome creating the 1 world religion,
1)they mean it literal to compete with similar deities.
2God)they are imitating the dying god mythology of the Canaanites whereby the son called morning star surpasses his father Baal on the throne by dying & bringing attention to himself as the new mask for Baal.

So in scripture the term son of God given David=reflection of God, Solomon was also deemed God's son as was the children of Israel=sons of God. So how can Jesus be God's only begotten, that does not fit reality, it fits a cult method to seperate itself in authority through a deified image=idol worship.

Your grabbing a fantasy mistaken interp has only one notation in Judaic prophecy as a warning of a bad thing:

These children of the Morning Star age are also referred to as the following;

Scrolls:An Aramaic Apocalypse" 4Q246 part2

"The Son of God he will be proclaimed (or proclaim himself) and the son of the most high they will call him....They will reign for years on the earth & they will trample all. People will trample people

(THIS has Happened in the Name of the Church of the morning star-Rev 22:16) Over 50 million murders in thousands of wars trying to convert people to Lucifer worship.

 

[shimon]

These children of the Morning Star age are also referred to as the following;

Scrolls:An Aramaic Apocalypse" 4Q246 part2

"The Son of God he will be proclaimed (or proclaim himself) and the son of the most high they will call him....They will reign for years on the earth & they will trample all. People will trample people

(THIS has Happened in the Name of the Church of the morning star-Rev 22:16) Over 50 million murders in thousands of wars trying to convert people to Lucifer worship.

I would also like to point out that the Roman’s or the scribes that wrote the New Testament always left clues or little tidbits of humour in their work( little Easter eggs if one would like) .. If one digs a little and looks dilegently they can be found and understood quite easily once one knows what to look for…Further connecting the idol /Jesus to Baal the sun god .. Here is a prime example In the New Testament it is stated that Jesus did not enter the temple of the most high till he was 12 . Most would take this at face value and miss the clue of what the scribes who wrote about him were trying to show and this was a sneeky way of them showing that the SUN in the sky was most high at 12 noon not that Jesus himself entered a physical temple( the one in Jerusalem) . So the sun/son reference we continually findin the New Testament had connections to the physical sun in the sky not the Hebrew concept . But no one outside of the Jewish world could ever find this out as it was forbidden to talk to or converse with someone Jewish like a rabbi( teacher) to find these things out as per a verse or two found in Timothy if I am not mistaken that forbids this or denigrates those who might straighten out an misconceptions or misunderstandings that one might have.. Unfortunately In this way the masses could be kept ignorant and under control There are many other examples I can show about this morning star but I am sure Michael can reveal them much better then I can…

 

[Clyde 154]

This falls into the comments I made about knowing meaning of Biblical terms in it's day and context, especially when transliteration and terms don't always translate well from various culture's languages to our language now.

The term "Son of" in context means "reflection of" not out of the loins lineage son. Your error usage of the term comes from Rome creating the 1 world religion,
1)they mean it literal to compete with similar deities.
2God)they are imitating the dying god mythology of the Canaanites whereby the son called morning star surpasses his father Baal on the throne by dying & bringing attention to himself as the new mask for Baal.

So in scripture the term son of God given David=reflection of God, Solomon was also deemed God's son as was the children of Israel=sons of God. So how can Jesus be God's only begotten, that does not fit reality, it fits a cult method to seperate itself in authority through a deified image=idol worship.

Your grabbing a fantasy mistaken interp has only one notation in Judaic prophecy as a warning of a bad thing:

These children of the Morning Star age are also referred to as the following;

Scrolls:An Aramaic Apocalypse" 4Q246 part2

"The Son of God he will be proclaimed (or proclaim himself) and the son of the most high they will call him....They will reign for years on the earth & they will trample all. People will trample people

(THIS has Happened in the Name of the Church of the morning star-Rev 22:16) Over 50 million murders in thousands of wars trying to convert people to Lucifer worship.

Yeah......its the Holy Scriptures that are wrong not your cult? And speaking of errors of transliteration..........can you spell JEHOVAH? An error of combining the German Language with English. There is no such word as Jehovah......its an error of transliteration from the original Hebrew text.

How did YAHWEH become Jehovah? The Jews were concerned that God's name would be taken in vain. By the year 300 B.C. it became tradition not to mention God by name, instead of using YAHWEH from the Hebrew text......they used the word LORD. This tradition was picked up in the "Septuagint" translation wherever the Greek word for YHWH was found.

By the 6th century A.D. the origianl Hebrew language was no longer commonly spoken and the Jews were afraid that people would soon forget how to pronounce the language (as the original Hebrew text contained only consonants in written format....no vowels)...........so vowel pointers were added. But when they came to the word YHWH, the vowels for LORD were used.

When the Hebrew was then attempted to be tranliterated into English.......the German System was used (as was the common practice during that time period). If you have spoken or learned German........you know and comprehend that J's sound like Y's and V's sound like W's.

The early translators did not know about the vowel shift......thus they picked up the wrong vowels from the Hebrew language. The King James translation did not constantly and consistenly use the errant word JEHOVAH for God, instead the majority of the time when God is referenced in the King James.........the Word LORD is used in All caps. The King James Bible uses the word JEHOVAH but 8 times all throughout the Bible. It was not common practice to use Jehovah until the later translations such as the American Standard Version.

Thus in reality: The word Jehovah did not become commonly used until the middle of the 1900s. The American Standard Version used the word Jehovah for Lord 5,818 times.......due to this error of Transliteration.

In other words.....YOUR ENTIRE CULT is based upon an error of copy due to historical ignorance. Only the JWs would take a mistranliterated word and make an entire false religion from the misue. When you can prove that the King James Version used JEHOVAH as the name for God in more than 8 places.....let us know.