GIs probed in 'premeditated' Iraq rape, killings

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    IF a GCM finds em guilty I hope the JAG has the moral courage to do the right thing and put them on death row. Is there a charge that would hold them accountable for the retalitory killings as well?


    GIs probed in 'premeditated' Iraq rape, killings
    Investigators say soldiers plotted attack that left 4 dead for nearly a week

    MSNBC staff and news service reports


    Updated: 4:52 a.m. CT July 1, 2006
    BEIJI, Iraq - Investigators believe a group of U.S. soldiers suspected of raping an Iraqi woman, then killing her and three members of her family plotted the attack for nearly a week, a U.S. military official said Saturday.

    Up to five soldiers are being investigated in the March killings, the fifth pending case involving alleged slayings of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops.

    The Americans entered the Sunni Arab’s family home, separated three males from the woman, raped her and burned her body using a flammable liquid in a cover-up attempt, a military official close to the investigation said. The three males were also slain.

    The soldiers had studied their victims for about a week and the attack was “totally premeditated,” the official said on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. The family had just moved into the home in the insurgent-riddled area around Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad.

    Criminal investigation
    The U.S. military issued a terse statement about the killings Friday, saying only that Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged slaying of a family of four in Mahmoudiya.

    U.S. officials said they knew of the deaths but thought the victims were killed in sectarian violence. But Mahmoudiya police Capt. Ihsan Abdul-Rahman said Iraqi officials received a report on March 13 alleging that American soldiers had killed the family in the Khasir Abyad area, about 6 miles north of Mahmoudiya.

    There were some discrepancies over how many soldiers were being investigated. The U.S. military official said it was at least four. Two other U.S. officials said Friday that five were under investigation but one already had been discharged for unspecified charges unrelated to the killings and was believed to be in the United States.

    The four still in the Army have had their weapons taken away and were confined to a U.S. base near Mahmoudiya, officials said. If convicted of premeditated murder, the soldiers could receive a death sentence under U.S. military law.

    The suspects were from the 502nd Infantry Regiment and belonged to the same platoon as two soldiers kidnapped and killed south of Baghdad this month, another official close to the investigation said Friday. The soldiers’ mutilated bodies were found June 19, three days after they were abducted by insurgents near Youssifiyah southwest of Baghdad.

    Guilt spurs revelation
    The military has said one and possibly both of the slain soldiers were tortured and beheaded. The official said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one member of the platoon to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.

    One soldier was arrested after admitting his role in the alleged attack on the family, the official said on condition of anonymity because the case was under way. The official said the rape and killings appeared to have been a “crime of opportunity,” noting that the soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols.

    One of the family members they allegedly killed was a child, said a senior Army official who also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. The senior official said the alleged incident was first revealed by a soldier during a routine counseling-type session. The official said that soldier did not witness the incident but heard about it.

    A second soldier, who also was not involved, said he overhead soldiers conspiring to commit the crimes and then later saw bloodstains on their clothes, the official said.

    The allegations of rape could generate a particularly strong backlash in Iraq, a conservative, strongly religious society in which many women will not even shake hands with men who are not close relatives.

    Other convictions, pending cases
    The case is among the most serious against U.S. soldiers allegedly involved in the deaths of Iraqi civilians. At least 14 U.S. troops have been convicted.

    Last week, seven Marines and one Navy medic were charged with premeditated murder in the shooting death of an Iraqi man near Fallujah west of Baghdad.

    U.S. officials are also investigating allegations that U.S. Marines killed two dozen unarmed Iraqi civilians Nov. 19 in the western town of Haditha in a revenge attack after a fellow Marine died in a roadside bombing.

    Other cases involve the deaths of three male detainees in Salahuddin province in May, the shooting death of an unarmed Iraqi man near Ramadi in February and the death of an Iraqi soldier after an interrogation at a detention camp in Qaim in 2003.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.
    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13630952/
     
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    If the allegations turn out to be true, no quarter. Hang them. They have disgraced this Nation, the US military, and given the lefties more fodder for their bullshit-spreader.
     
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    Hell, I'd come out of retirement to pull the lever. I cannot believe this. Bad thing is that even if the CM found em not guilty the media wouldn't buy it and two troops from the same outfit are still dead since the locals obviously believed it.
     
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    As is usual, we'll never know because there is now no way they can be a fair trial. I'm sure you're as aware as I what political animals SJA's can be.

    If guilty, I'm all for public execution.

    If not guilty, I'd like to see the media and lefties put as much effort and attention to proclaiming their innocence as they have rushing to judgement. Like THAT will ever happen.
     
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    I'm all for the execution of them and all the assholes that gave them the idea that what they were doing was somehow their American duty.

    I don't suppose for a moment that you might understand.


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    Yeah, you're TOO easy to understand. You'd hang 'em NOW, based on allegation, then go on the usual, liberal witchhunt to try and blame Bush for alleged criminals committing alleged crimes.

    Justice doesn't come into play with you in any way, shape, nor form.

    The military, as an institution does not authorize nor promote rape and/or murder. Matter of fact, both are punishable crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. End of story.
     
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    Normally I try to remain civil, even with those I don't agree with. But this is so stupid that it qualifies as a Jerrys Kid post. Here's the way it works: Crime > Allegation > Investigation > Court Martial > Punishment if guilty.
     
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    You mean to tell me that the A.C.L.U. will not come to the rescue, if these guys are found guilty? You know like they do for rapist,murderers, and molesters who are death row for several years and counting? How about those people who come out and hold candlelight vigils for such criminals. Do you think they will show up for these soldiers? Heck how about Jesse Jackson and big Al Sharpton? Maybe? I guess I will have to hold my breath.
     
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    There seems to me to be more to these charges than what I've seen regarding Haditha and some of the lesser known ones. For some reason, this rings more 'true,' at least so far.


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_rape_investigation
     
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    IMO, this is going to set of a witchhunt on a grand scale, if this isn't already the beginning.

    I have no problem with prosecuting criminals. The crimes committed are no better than the crimes committed by those we are fighting against.

    I do have a problem with backlash hindering our troops' ability toi carry out their missions.
     

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