Gerald Ford didn't lie or feel a need to lie about this

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    Don’t trust me about this, read and hear it for yourself. Follow the link and it will set you free.




    By Bob WoodwardWashington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, December 28, 2006; Page A01

    Former president Gerald R. Ford said in an embargoed interview in July 2004 that the Iraq war was not justified. "I don't think I would have gone to war," he said a little more than a year after President Bush launched the invasion advocated and carried out by prominent veterans of Ford's own administration.

    In a four-hour conversation at his house in Beaver Creek, Colo., Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously. In the tape-recorded interview, Ford was critical not only of Bush but also of Vice President Cheney -- Ford's White House chief of staff -- and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who served as Ford's chief of staff and then his Pentagon chief.

    More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/27/AR2006122701558.html

    Jerry was a friend of mine. I worked with Jerry Ford and 2nd Lt. Bush, you ain’t no Jerry Ford.

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    His body's not even cold. Have you no shame?

    OIC. You're a Liberal.:rofl:
     
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    His body is as cold as his truth to power even if he didn't want them repeated until after he was dead.

    OIC. You're a self described conservative with no understanding of it's overwhelming destructive powers that bind you. :rofl:

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    I don't see a problem with releasing Fmr. Pres. Ford's statements as it would seem that while they were slated to be part of a future book effort, they were going to be freely usable after the President's death.

    And as I read the text from the excerpts posted, it would seem that Fmr. Pres. Ford was not saying that any of Pres. Bush's military actions were mistakes, but rather that he and his administration failed to present a single, cohesive argument for going into Iraq.
    No problem with that excerpt. Freeing other oppressed peoples should not take precedence over our national interest. Although I wonder how many liberals will go for that if I mention Darfur?
    The operative portion here is "on the basis of the facts as I saw them publicly." Fmr. Pres. Ford understood both the fact that much of the material evidence supporting the war in Iraq was probably NOT made public, just as much of his own administration kept some things under its hat. But we do see that Fmr. Pres. Ford WOULD have supported direct action such as sanctions, etc. based solely on the information made public. So who knows how far he would have committed had he been privy to the information NOT made public? No one can know, can we?
    Again, no problem here. I'd love to hear the entire interview to see if/how Fmr. Pres. Ford ties the second excerpt in with the third (humanitarian concerns for the Iraqis under Saddam's heel vs. WMD as a national security issue.) My guess is that Fmr. Pres. Ford would have preferred the justification for entering Iraq to be the national security interest first, and the humanitarian interest second.
    Again, the emphasis is not on going into Iraq, but in how it was presented to the public.

    As I have held throughout, the fact that Saddam posed a continuing threat to national security should have been the main argument, and the secondary argument should have been the humanitarian angle, just as Fmr. Pres. Ford would seem to indicate via these select excerpts. But this presents a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for Pres. Bush. either he's damned for not caring about the poor, oppressed peoples of the world, or he's soft on national security. I disagree with how the Bush administration tried to put both issues at the forefront at one time or another, but I do not disagree with the military action in Iraq.

    As to your little fantasy to the end of your post, get a life. Statements like that are wholly unprovable and serve no purpose.

    ** citations are from the Woodward article in the original post
     
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    What's your point, nimrod? Lots of people disagree with President Bush's decision to invade Iraq. So?

    President Ford's statements FAR from support all the bullshit accusations you've posted on this board over the years. All I see is an opposing point of view from a polite, intelligent person. Something you obviously aren not.
     
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    Enlighten me.:cool:
     
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    Are you cross dressing or simply cross threading? Give me a hint as to what the hell you are talking about?

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    yes i heard this a day or so after he died....ford never really did much of anything so no real surprise that he would not have gone to iraq...hell he would not have gone to afganistan....he probably would have pardoned OBL to facilitate national healing
     
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    He did trip and fall down the stairs getting off Air Force One once .......:rofl:
     
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