Genocide Is Still Happening At Behest Of Sudan's Terrorist Government

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    so we're here arguing about Iraq, Iran and the election, and of course these are all well and important. but a GENOCIDE is happening in Darfur. forgive me for reaching here, but i think a government that commits genocide against its own people is a terrorist regime, because it TERRORIZES innocent people, just like your regular ol mass murderer in beslan, baghdad, bali or nyc.
    sadly, though we who serve on aircraft carriers are in the business of dropping warheads on bad guy's foreheads, we most likely will not get the chance to do so to protect the survivors in Darfur and to avenge those who have been slaughtered. however, there is still a lot we as human beings, as americans (or canadians, brits, indians, japanese, etc etc), as christians (or muslims, jews, athiests, etc etc) can do to help those who are being EXTERMINATED.

    however, i remember the wise words of colin powell's wife, alma... "if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."
    so here's a few reminders of what's happening.

    6,000-10,000 people are dying in refugee camps every month
    http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040913_1309.html

    Chemical weapons may be being utilized by Sudan and Syria to murder more Darfur residents.
    http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040916-102058-3651r.htm

    Kofi Annan grew a pair of balls and stood up to the Sudanese and Chinese for a brief moment in supporting the passage of the US-sponsored resolution.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3664348.stm

    Cruel, slow starvation is still happening as there is still a major shortfall in the amount of aid getting to survivors.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3922461.stm

    China is supporting genocide, slavery and oppression in Sudan in order to get its oil (and is backed up by Pakistan and Egypt in fighting the brave US effort to force the UN into getting off its ass and doing something)
    http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php3?id_article=5441

    Britain's conservatives are pressing for PM Blair to do more, join the US in calling it a genocide
    http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3499836

    now how to help?

    get mad and get out and do something

    Amnesty International has labeled Sept.21st as the day of action on Darfur. Have a protest, a religious service, a candlelight vigil, write an op-ed or letter, make some phone calls, please get out and do something.
    http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/sudan/activism.html

    donate money
    this site will help you discover how to help in the best manner you see fit financially
    http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/content.view/catid/38/cpid/218.htm

    pray!

    and lastly, even though the genocide may draw down eventually, its effects will linger for a long time, tragically so in the great majority of cases. here's an example.


     
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    oh, and for the record, as far as i know, france and germany are behaving... its china and the arabs that are disgracing humanity.
     
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    The situation in Darfur is horrendous. It underlines the abject failure of the UN as a force that can be depended upon to do what is right. Of course, we already knew that.

    What can be done about Darfur? Thousands are dying every month. Must America police the entire planet? The Chinese are blocking UNSC action in Darfur. They are worried that such action will set a precedent and inhibit their suppression of ethnic minorities in western China and Tibet. Islamic fascist radicals run the show in Sudan. We are already at war with radical Islam. Should we open another battlefront?
     
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    Do a better diplomatic job of getting the African Union firmly on our side... and then help them with whatever they need (which actually isn't that much) to deploy S.African and Nigerian troops (along with other nations) to Darfur (similar to what we did for the Kurds in Operation Provide Comfort after Desert Storm)

    we don't have to always put boots on the ground to project hard power.... sometimes other nations can do that for us with our assistance and support
     
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    Now it will take boots on the ground, with weapons:

    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6271943
     
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    I agree with Kathianne on this. It will take boots on the ground.

    There is no time to wait for the OAU to do anything beyond "observe." As has been noted, thousands are dying every month. UNSC action on this problem has been ineffective. If an UNSC resolution is constructed that threatens oil sanctions or military action, it will be vetoed by the Chinese.

    Are we really serious about immediately stopping genocide in Darfur? If so, these actions would succeed:

    Submit a resolution to the UNSC for immediate sanctions against the terrorist Sudan government. This will put China, Russia, Pakistan, Algeria, and probably France, on record as opposing action to end genocide in Darfur.

    Freeze all assets owned by the Sudanese government in the United States. Without the help of the UNSC (as usual), proceed with a coalition of countries willing to independently enforce sanctions. For those countries continuing to perform oil business and other trade with the murderers in Khartoum (they have used attack helicopters on villages in Darfur; see link provide by Kathianne above), evaluate the transactions and within the United States freeze an equal value of assets owned by the nations that transgress the sanctions. Since so many are dying every day, allow only 60 days for the sanctions to change minds in Sudan and its supporter countries. During this period prepare for military action in Darfur that will separate the Islamic fascists from those they are killing. In confidential diplomatic exchange, assure Sudan that if we are forced to take military action, then we will proceed with regime change in Khartoum. Inform Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir that if we are forced to pursue regime change, then he will be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity.
     
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    No longer in province of UN, time to move, which means US/UK/Australia
     
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    Won't happen before November. It's unfortunate, but it's reality, the Libs would scream and rant over more military action.

    I'd bet in Mid November to late November we'll see some ramping up to take care of business there.
     
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    Have to agree with you NT, not going to get the fix till after elections. The only good thing, regardless of Kerry not commenting, whoever wins, the US is going to deal with. No doubt, 6 weeks will result in more deaths, that didn't have to happen, but it's not like the UN/EU is going to step in.
     
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6021717/

    UN passes more half-measures while people die.

    you could stop this with about 10,000 Allied troops and two squadrons (1 helicopter, 1 jet). you'd want to create a no-go zone for sudanese military and miliitia forces throughout Darfur, while maintaining a no-fly zone. that way the relief effort can be ramped up w/o fear of being attacked.
     

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