France and Germany shut out!

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    Too bad for them. :laugh:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Citing national security reasons, U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has ruled that prime contracts to rebuild Iraq (news - web sites) will exclude firms from nations such as France and Germany that opposed the U.S. war.

    In a policy document released on Tuesday, Wolfowitz said he was limiting competition for 26 reconstruction contracts worth up to $18.6 billion that will be advertised in coming days.

    "It is necessary for the protection of the essential security interests of the United States to limit competition for the prime contracts of these procurements to companies from the United States, Iraq, coalition partners and force contributing nations," Wolfowitz said in a notice published on the web site www.rebuilding-iraq.net.

    The move is likely to anger France and Germany and other traditional allies in NATO (news - web sites) and the U.N. Security Council who are being blocked out of prime contracts after their opposition to the war. They may bid for sub-contracts.

    But the decision will placate countries such as Britain, Italy and Spain, which provided troops to Iraq but whose companies were excluded from the first round of deals that went to U.S. firms.

    The contracts cover electricity, communications, public buildings, transportation, public works and security and justice. Additional contracts are also being awarded to oversee those projects.

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031209/wl_nm/iraq_contracts_dc_3
     
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    they were invited to the party but threw a hissy fit and stayed home, now that the cake is being cut up and served they all of a sudden want let in the back door.:finger: em..let em:wank:
     
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    This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Made my sides hurt laughing so hard. But they should have seen this coming from when they decided to try to railroad us. Well you know they can still get in on it, im sure someplace over there needs a tiolet cleaned.

    By the way, im new to this board. And from what ive seen of it, there is finally a place where i can get along with like minded people...lol


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    This whole debacle brings up another important question though. Why should other nations who weren't in the "coalition" now contribute to the recontruction. They can only contribute money now. They have no say in where it goes, nor they can no longer share there expertise. I think this decisions is going rip an alright fragile international wound.

    Word here in Canada, is that our new PM is considering dropping the aid donation because simply because it now has no say in where it goes and this is left up to the US. I frankly think our new PM has a point.
     
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    But why shouldnt the US put restrictions on who get to help rebuild? IMHO the ones that have troops over there dying are the ones that should get the lions share of the contracts. Its not like the others are being totally shut out. There are other contracts over there. I think I read something like another 13 billion? Just because they dont get the prime contracts doesnt mean they have you get all pissy about it.
    If they would have contributed some manual labor...
     
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    Yeah but the US is asking for help to make it an mutlinational venture. By saying the aid now is only to be directed and done by US friendly firms the US is effectively saying "Okay, our coalition is our coalition we don't need any outside help.", but that's certainly not the official line. Put it this way, it is a terrible way no multinationalize the Iraqi rebuilding effort and I think the US will see many nations pull out their reconstruction money.
     
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    Obviously they arent goign to come right out and say tough shit to those who didnt want to help originaly. but anyone with half a brain cell knows the truth about that.
    There would be no trouble with multinationalizing this venture, IF the UN wasnt crying about having a "significant role". When what they mean is they want to be in charge. If they wanted to be in charge, they should have stopped the dead line gig and took a hard line with sadam and stopped babying him.
    I dont know how many other Vets are on this board, but I for one have had my fill of operating in an NBC suit. Or have to carry/ possibly use an antropiene (sp) injector. That needle is huge. And jsut because WMD werent found, doesnt mean they arent there. Thats a big ass place.
     
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    But why do that? You don't have to let the UN take over, I can understand logically why the US doesn't want that, but giving the ultimate rebuff to people who want to spend aid in Iraq is sending a pretty bad message. I think the next few days will be very interesting to see who pulls out their aid.

    To be honest, I hope Canada does. It's simply fiscally imprudent to spend money, but have no say or idea where it goes. And that's a shame, because i do think Iraqis truly need it.
     
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    Not trying to make excuses for either side, but why would some countries say I want my money to go to aid this part but not that part? Why shouldnt all the money to into a pot and be dished out to where ever part needs it? Wouldnt this be more prudent than getting to pick what money goes where?
     
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    I thought the whole point of donating money to the rebuilding efforts was to help the Iraqi people? It sounds as if some are saying "deny us lucrative contracts and we will take back our initial donations". You wouldn't be penalizing the US, you would be penalizing the Iraqi people. Not to mention it won't matter anyway as the money will ultimately get there.

    And what about countries that have made larger sacrifices than a small handfull of money? We should not give them the first chance at contracts?

    It's humorous that France, Germany, Russia & Canada wanted to competely distance themselves from the entire Iraq issue, but now bitch and complain when they can't make money off of the situation. If they REALLY want to help the Iraqi people - give them monetary assistance and then sit back in the safety of of their respective countries. To say "we'll only assist if we can make some money" is disgusting.
     

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