Flashback: Obama Calls Plame Leak a Crime, Calls for Congressional Investigation (Vid

[blackhawk]

If the leaking of this persons name was intentional or not I can't say but it is yet another example of Incompetence from people in this administration from the I.R.S., the DOJ targeting reporters, the Obamacare roll out, the VA, to this someone screws up big time but no one is ever fired over said screw up.

Figures. Nobody was fired over the incompetency on 9-11, like our military jets not intercepting the hijacked airplanes.

Yeah rather hard to track planes with the transponder turned off plus at that time we didn't have armed military jets flying patrols over the country or on standby ready to launch at a moments notice. Even if we did have all that in place with the exception of the plane that the passengers forced down in Pennsylvania the other's were over large cities. So given that what could have been done if they were intercepted? Given the hijackers goals I don't believe they would have willing landed the planes so other than shooting them down over the city what could they have done.

 

[blackhawk]

So now we have had two incompetent administrations in a row, if we all throw out partisanship and are honest with ourselves.. Correct?

Way more than two if we want to be really honest with ourselves I would be hard pressed to name the last administration that was considered competent.

Ike?

Before my time but ok. How sad is it we have to go that far back?

 

[OKTexas]

poor steffie... the plane link WAS a crime because it was intentionally done to pay back her husband for pointing out that the admin was lying about yellowcake.

or did you selectively forget that, dear?

You commies keep spewing that propaganda with no facts to back it up. Why do you chose to lie when it's so easily proven as such?

Calling someone a "Commie" because they are liberal, isn't factual. So in a sense, you are lying and that lie is easily proven. Or, you really don't have a clue about communism. Which is it?

I base my observation on its posting history and the stupid shit is supports, BTW, your deflection is noted.

 

[kiwiman127]

You commies keep spewing that propaganda with no facts to back it up. Why do you chose to lie when it's so easily proven as such?

you think anyone who isn't a rightwingnut obama deranged nut job isn a commie.

*yawn*

and no matter how much you whine, facts are facts. reality seems not to be something rightwingnuts like.

Idiot above won't understand this, most others will.....

And those "most others will" are some far righties, who also are clueless about who is a real commie and who isn't. I strongly doubt anyone who attended college for as little as a quarter would be so ignorant as to freely call anyone to the left of their fringe thinking, a "commie".
When I see folks use freely and incorrectly, the term "commie", I immediately question their intelligence.

 

[Vigilante]

Plane was I intentionally outed. It was a crime. Your point?

Really, Armitage (sp) said he did it accidentally, he wasn't prosecuted. In fact no one was charged for outing her, Libby's charges were not for the disclosure. The special prosecutor showed his partisanship when he continued to investigate after he knew it was Armitage,

Just because Armitage said "he did it accidentally," does not mean he really did it accidently. In fact, he may not have done it at all. Have you ever heard the phrase "falling on your sword?" The most likely persons to out Plame would be either cheney or rove. Armitage may have admitted it to stop the scandal from getting closer to the WH especially if cheney was the villian. Keep in mind that even if armitage had outted Plane and been sentenced he would not have spent very long in prison. bush could have quickly pardoned him as he did libby.

Just because the Obuma Regime said "They did it accidentally," does not mean they really did it accidently!

Morons everywhere!

 

[OKTexas]

Plane was I intentionally outed. It was a crime. Your point?

Really, Armitage (sp) said he did it accidentally, he wasn't prosecuted. In fact no one was charged for outing her, Libby's charges were not for the disclosure. The special prosecutor showed his partisanship when he continued to investigate after he knew it was Armitage,

Just because Armitage said "he did it accidentally," does not mean he really did it accidently. In fact, he may not have done it at all. Have you ever heard the phrase "falling on your sword?" The most likely persons to out Plame would be either cheney or rove. Armitage may have admitted it to stop the scandal from getting closer to the WH especially if cheney was the villian. Keep in mind that even if armitage had outted Plane and been sentenced he would not have spent very long in prison. bush could have quickly pardoned him as he did libby.

I'll accept that, just as soon as you provide more than speculation and opinion. I think I'll die of old age before that happens.

 

[OKTexas]

you think anyone who isn't a rightwingnut obama deranged nut job isn a commie.

*yawn*

and no matter how much you whine, facts are facts. reality seems not to be something rightwingnuts like.

Idiot above won't understand this, most others will.....

And those "most others will" are some far righties, who also are clueless about who is a real commie and who isn't. I strongly doubt anyone who attended college for as little as a quarter would be so ignorant as to freely call anyone to the left of their fringe thinking, a "commie".
When I see folks use freely and incorrectly, the term "commie", I immediately question their intelligence.

If you don't realize that the left fringe that currently runs the democrat party and who these lefties support aren't in favor of total central government control then you might what to check your intelligence. Also I find it as appropriate as the leftist scum calling people teabaggers that they have never met. If your are looking for accuracy on word definitions don't bother to look left or anywhere else on this board. To make it simple, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Vigilante]

you think anyone who isn't a rightwingnut obama deranged nut job isn a commie.

*yawn*

and no matter how much you whine, facts are facts. reality seems not to be something rightwingnuts like.

Idiot above won't understand this, most others will.....

And those "most others will" are some far righties, who also are clueless about who is a real commie and who isn't. I strongly doubt anyone who attended college for as little as a quarter would be so ignorant as to freely call anyone to the left of their fringe thinking, a "commie".
When I see folks use freely and incorrectly, the term "commie", I immediately question their intelligence.

It's a shame you don't know that both the Communist, and Socialist parties of America support Obuma.... Does that make you a commie, by association with subversives who support him? Logic dictates that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, can you postulate from there?...I doubt it, for I see no intelligence from your post.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

wow, say I'm shocked...hardly heard a peep from his base here on the board either...they've Evolved
Links with article and a video at site

SNIP;

Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 4:55 PM

Jesse Watters pointed out today on The Five that during the Valerie Plame affair back in 2005 Senator Barack Obama called the leak a crime. He also called for an immediate investigation.


“Remember what Obama as senator said about Valerie Plame? We have it right here. He called for an immediate Congressional investigation. He called it a possible “criminal act.” He said it jeopardized the safety of the networks of our intelligence agencies.”

Plame was a CIA desk jockey at the time. Last weekend the Team O leaked the name of the CIA station chief in Afghanistan.


Video and the rest here
Flashback: Obama Calls Plame Leak a Crime, Calls for Congressional Investigation (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

poor steffie... the plane link WAS a crime because it was intentionally done to pay back her husband for pointing out that the admin was lying about yellowcake.

or did you selectively forget that, dear?

Really? Armitage outed her for that? Funny that is not what he claimed and no one prosecuted him for it. Care to provide any legal documentation to support the claim? Something that would stand up in a court of law counselor? Or is this just another one of those " we all know the facts" kinda claim?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

poor steffie... the plane link WAS a crime because it was intentionally done to pay back her husband for pointing out that the admin was lying about yellowcake.

or did you selectively forget that, dear?

You commies keep spewing that propaganda with no facts to back it up. Why do you chose to lie when it's so easily proven as such?

you think anyone who isn't a rightwingnut obama deranged nut job isn a commie.

*yawn*

and no matter how much you whine, facts are facts. reality seems not to be something rightwingnuts like.

You claim it is a fact, provide this information that provides us with these facts. No one was prosecuted for outing Plame. And Armitage admitted he did it. he also admitted no one told him to do it. Libby was convicted of Perjury. He was never charged with outing Plame.

Link us to your facts Counselor.

 

[The Professor]

Plane was I intentionally outed. It was a crime. Your point?

I respectfully disagree.

There are many people, including many legal experts, who don't believe any crime was committed by disclosing Valerie Plame's name and her former work as a covert agent. It is important to note that no one was convicted of any crime involving the release of information about Valerie Plame. In fact no one was even charged with such crime.

“Libby was convicted in March of lying to a grand jury and to FBI agents investigating the leak, and was sentenced in June to 2 1/2 years in prison. President Bush commuted Libby's sentence this month, eliminating the prison time. No one was charged with the crime of intentionally disclosing Plame's covert identity” (emphasis my own).

Plame's Suit Against Top Officials Dismissed

Does anyone know WHY no one was ever charged? Although I cannot be absolutely certain, I suggest it's because there was no violation of any law. The law does not prohibit disclosing the names of ALL covert agents, only those who meet certain criteria. Here's a link that explains it in layman's terms:

“In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife [Valerie Plame] both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins (explanatory insertion [Valerie Plame] my own).

“Six years later, in July 2003, the name of the CIA officer — Valerie Plame — was revealed by columnist Robert Novak. The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a 'covert agent' must have been on an overseas assignment 'within the last five years.' The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003.
"Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities.”

USATODAY.com - CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

In the 1982 act (Intelligence Identities Protection Act, 50 U.S.C) referred to in the above link, Section 426(4) defines “covert agent” to mean:

(A) A present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member
of the armed forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

(B) A United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and—
(i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or
(ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or

(C) An individual, other than a United States citizen [this section not relevant]

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RS21636.pdf

It appears that Valerie Plame may not have been a covert agent – as that term is defined at law – when her information was released. In my humble opinion, that is the only thing which would explain why no charges were ever filed against anyone for the disclosure. If there is another reason, I can't even imagine what it was.

As far as I know this was the only time in American judicial history when someone was convicted of perjury in a case where no other criminal charges were filed.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Plane was I intentionally outed. It was a crime. Your point?

I respectfully disagree.

There are many people, including many legal experts, who don't believe any crime was committed by disclosing Valerie Plame's name and her former work as a covert agent. It is important to note that no one was convicted of any crime involving the release of information about Valerie Plame. In fact no one was even charged with such crime.

“Libby was convicted in March of lying to a grand jury and to FBI agents investigating the leak, and was sentenced in June to 2 1/2 years in prison. President Bush commuted Libby's sentence this month, eliminating the prison time. No one was charged with the crime of intentionally disclosing Plame's covert identity” (emphasis my own).

Plame's Suit Against Top Officials Dismissed

Does anyone know WHY no one was ever charged? Although I cannot be absolutely certain, I suggest it's because there was no violation of any law. The law does not prohibit disclosing the names of ALL covert agents, only those who meet certain criteria. Here's a link that explains it in layman's terms:

“In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife [Valerie Plame] both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins (explanatory insertion [Valerie Plame] my own).

“Six years later, in July 2003, the name of the CIA officer — Valerie Plame — was revealed by columnist Robert Novak. The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a 'covert agent' must have been on an overseas assignment 'within the last five years.' The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003.
"Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities.”

USATODAY.com - CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

In the 1982 act (Intelligence Identities Protection Act, 50 U.S.C) referred to in the above link, Section 426(4) defines “covert agent” to mean:

(A) A present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member
of the armed forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

(B) A United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and—
(i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or
(ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or

(C) An individual, other than a United States citizen [this section not relevant]

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RS21636.pdf

It appears that Valerie Plame may not have been a covert agent – as that term is defined at law – when her information was released. In my humble opinion, that is the only thing which would explain why no charges were ever filed against anyone for the disclosure. If there is another reason, I can't even imagine what it was.

As far as I know this was the only time in American judicial history when someone was convicted of perjury in a case where no other criminal charges were filed.

It was illegal as well Federal law stipulates that one can not be solely investigated and charged with Perjury without some other crime being involved.

 

[Politico]

It's only a crime when it happen on a republicans watch, as simple mistake when the commies do it.

That's how Democrats roll.