First Debate: Elmer Gantry vs. Mr. Roberts.

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    Romney's "Elmer Gantry" style may have "wowed" those not paying attention, but those in the know are going to unpack the plethora of outright lies, distortions and policy shifts rolled out by Romney last night. While Obama's "Mr. Roberts" seemed a bit stoic and flatfooted, he stayed on message and avoided any major gaffes..such as looking annoyed or losing his cool. Personally? I wish Obama would have called him on some of the bullshit. Something like:

    Mitt: I am not going to cut taxes, I am going to lower rates..

    Obama: Wait a minute, what exactly do you think those rates are? That's what the government draws it's revenue from. The rest of the world refers to them as taxes. So when you say you want to lower rates..what you are really saying is that you want to cut taxes.


    But that didn't happen.

    While I am not a big fan of the "Elmer Gantry" thing..it does seem to work in the short term.

    Lets see how it works out in the longer term.

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    pssst, you can't make chicken salad form chicken shit.
     
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    For those not in the know..

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30TkCJGsXas]Elmer Gantry-Welcome to the House of God! - YouTube[/ame]

    vs.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVNUmKvpm0k]Henry Fonda, Jack Lemmon & William Powell in "Mister Roberts" (1955) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Romney didn't say what the democrats wanted him to say so he lied.
     
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    More like Elmer Fudd vs. Mr. Roberts. :lol:
     
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    Erm no.
     
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    Rommey is going to eliminate some deductions/loopholes/subsidies/etc. Doing so will raise revenues, which then means he can lower the tax rates.

    It isn't that hard to understand if you have an intelligence above that of a peanut.

    As for Obama, he was very dishonest. For example:

    Notice how he wants you to believe that just raising taxes on the rich will created millions of new jobs, create a surplus, and create a whole lot of new millionaires!

    But what none of his piss drinkers have ever explained to me the many times I have asked is, if Clinton's tax rates were so orgasmically good for the country, why are you asking ONLY rich people to enjoy them again?

    You see, it was not just rich people who had higher tax rates in the era of 23 million new jobs, budget surpluses, and new millionaires.

    Obama does not want the Bush tax cuts to expire. He wants to raise taxes on the rich. This has nothing to do with the Bush tax cuts.

    Therefore, attempting to draw some kind of line to the Clinton era's surpluses is a big, fat lie.

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    Maybe it's just me, but "taxes" is a fairly general term. You have tax rates and tax revenues. Romney said more than once that he wants to lower rates but eliminate loopholes to essentially keep revenues consistent. Last time i checked, one thing liberals complain about a lot are tax loopholes that favor the rich. Supposed bad guy and rich asshole wants to close loopholes? Why is this not being cheered by the liberals?

    But back to the point. When Romney says he's not going to cut taxes, he may be referring to "tax revenues." If you have 4 of something, destroy two of them (lowering rates) but then replace them with 2 new ones (eliminating loopholes), you still have 4. That's the thinking anyway, it's just a matter of whether or not the voting populace buys it.
     
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    having four of something isn't so great when you need six.
     
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    The Dangerous Myth About The Bill Clinton Tax Increase - Forbes

    However, with his masterful 1995 flip-flop on taxes, President Clinton took the first step toward a successful campaign for re-election and a shift in policy that produced the economic boom that occurred during his second term.
    •Welfare reform, which he signed in the summer of 1996, led to a massive reduction in the effective tax rates on the poor by ameliorating the rapid phase out of benefits associated with going to work.
    •The phased reduction in tariff and non-tariff barriers between the U.S., Mexico and Canada under the North American Free Trade Agreement continued, leading to increased trade.
    •In 1997, Clinton signed a reduction in the (audible liberal gasp) capital gains tax rate to 20% from 28%.
    •The 1997 tax cuts also included a phased in increase in the death tax exemption to $1 million from $600,000, and established Roth IRAs and increased the limits for deductible IRAs.
    •Annual growth in federal spending was kept to below 3%, or $57 billion.
    •The Clinton Administration also maintained its policy of a strong and stable dollar. Over his entire second term, consumer price inflation averaged only 2.4% a year.

    O's lack of economic policy is...well...what a community organizer would do. It's no surprise.
     
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