Feds say these nuts "Had to be Taken Down"

[Paulie]

I don't get it.. you're for freeing the alleged MUSLIM terrorists...

and for jailing the alleged CHRISTIAN terrorists.....

Something about that smells funny.

The evidence collected by the FBI and other US agencies is pretty transparent and looks like the real deal.

The alleged Muslim terrorists less so. In fact, in many cases they are murky to say the least and not open to public scrutiny, which these summary of facts will be.

And most people are for freeing the alleged Muslim terrorists if there in no evidence to state otherwise.

However, I would go one step further and would love to know what evidence there is to show that the Gitmo prisoners are terrorists in the first place. At least with this Michigan ijits there are some allegations on the table, with some reasonable anecdotal evidence to back up the arrests...

For the terminally stupid who live in other country's and pretend to know all about America...let me break it down for you....
When you're captured on the field of battle with an AK-47, after shooting in the direction of U.S. troops screaming "Allahu Akbar!!!"...I think that THAT little factoid basically says...this guy is pretty much an ENEMY OF AMERICA.

Try to keep up. If you can't we have great medical care until it collapses in about 3 years...you could come here and get treated for your case of brainfartitus.

Let's just play devil's advocate, here.

When an outside country invades your country and bombs the ever loving shit out of your friends and family, and threatens to kill you too unless you lay down and comply, what else do you expect the indigenous people to do besides act on their instinct to protect THEIR country and people?

Not every single person on the "battlefield" sees us as liberators. And you can't necessarily blame them, either. Some people just don't fucking want us there at all. That should be their choice, seeing as how it's THEIR country.

So if they pick up a weapon and defend their neighborhood, it's not necessarily because they're "enemies of the USA".

Food for thought.

 

[mudwhistle]

But just because they self-identified as Christians, does not mean that they were Christians or that they espoused Christian beliefs.

(N.B. - Please remember that muslim fundamentalists always espouse Islamic beliefs.)

True, true, but if that's their name, then that's their name.

It's not an accusation against anyone to call the group what they call themselves.

No....that's the name the media labeled them with.

Let's face it....the media is on a roll....racism.....anti-white bullshit....now Christians with guns.....what other stereotype are they gonna focus on to bail Obama's balls out of the fire and marginalize the Tea-Party movement?

 

[Queen]

The uncomfortable ugly bottom line is this: so long as we run secret prisons across the globe we, as a Nation, have no authority to speak about a justice system.

For this particular case....it's too close to a Minority Report minus all three pre-cogs. It's similar to the recent arrest of an individual based on what they "thought" he was going to do.

We have given up concrete Rights for a cotton candy Homeland Security Umbrella. As disturbing as the reports are, I have yet to see anything solid they will be convicted on.

So you don't believe these people are Christian 'warriors' of the anti-government group Hutaree?

What exactly do you think they were up to if not to kill the police, as the FBI has found their plan to be?

And what's your source of information?

 

[AllieBaba]

MaggieMae's most recent insane theory is "there must be a missing protein in kids". Next step: prison camps for Republicans.

 

[Ravi]

The evidence collected by the FBI and other US agencies is pretty transparent and looks like the real deal.

The alleged Muslim terrorists less so. In fact, in many cases they are murky to say the least and not open to public scrutiny, which these summary of facts will be.

And most people are for freeing the alleged Muslim terrorists if there in no evidence to state otherwise.

However, I would go one step further and would love to know what evidence there is to show that the Gitmo prisoners are terrorists in the first place. At least with this Michigan ijits there are some allegations on the table, with some reasonable anecdotal evidence to back up the arrests...

For the terminally stupid who live in other country's and pretend to know all about America...let me break it down for you....
When you're captured on the field of battle with an AK-47, after shooting in the direction of U.S. troops screaming "Allahu Akbar!!!"...I think that THAT little factoid basically says...this guy is pretty much an ENEMY OF AMERICA.

Try to keep up. If you can't we have great medical care until it collapses in about 3 years...you could come here and get treated for your case of brainfartitus.

Let's just play devil's advocate, here.

When an outside country invades your country and bombs the ever loving shit out of your friends and family, and threatens to kill you too unless you lay down and comply, what else do you expect the indigenous people to do besides act on their instinct to protect THEIR country and people?

Not every single person on the "battlefield" sees us as liberators. And you can't necessarily blame them, either. Some people just don't fucking want us there at all. That should be their choice, seeing as how it's THEIR country.

So if they pick up a weapon and defend their neighborhood, it's not necessarily because they're "enemies of the USA".

Food for thought.

Good for you. A healthy mistrust of people with badges is always the way to go.

 

[Queen]

But just because they self-identified as Christians, does not mean that they were Christians or that they espoused Christian beliefs.

(N.B. - Please remember that muslim fundamentalists always espouse Islamic beliefs.)

True, true, but if that's their name, then that's their name.

It's not an accusation against anyone to call the group what they call themselves.

No....that's the name the media labeled them with.

Let's face it....the media is on a roll....racism.....anti-white bullshit....now Christians with guns.....what other stereotype are they gonna focus on to bail Obama's balls out of the fire and marginalize the Tea-Party movement?

The media made their website for them?

The Hutaree, according to their website, consider themselves Christian warriors, and were preparing for armed self-defense and the arrival of the Antichrist.

Another member of Christian militia Hutaree arrested - latimes.com

 

[Ravi]

Next step: prison camps for Republicans.

One of my fondest dreams.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

The evidence collected by the FBI and other US agencies is pretty transparent and looks like the real deal.

The alleged Muslim terrorists less so. In fact, in many cases they are murky to say the least and not open to public scrutiny, which these summary of facts will be.

And most people are for freeing the alleged Muslim terrorists if there in no evidence to state otherwise.

However, I would go one step further and would love to know what evidence there is to show that the Gitmo prisoners are terrorists in the first place. At least with this Michigan ijits there are some allegations on the table, with some reasonable anecdotal evidence to back up the arrests...

For the terminally stupid who live in other country's and pretend to know all about America...let me break it down for you....
When you're captured on the field of battle with an AK-47, after shooting in the direction of U.S. troops screaming "Allahu Akbar!!!"...I think that THAT little factoid basically says...this guy is pretty much an ENEMY OF AMERICA.

Try to keep up. If you can't we have great medical care until it collapses in about 3 years...you could come here and get treated for your case of brainfartitus.

Let's just play devil's advocate, here.

When an outside country invades your country and bombs the ever loving shit out of your friends and family, and threatens to kill you too unless you lay down and comply, what else do you expect the indigenous people to do besides act on their instinct to protect THEIR country and people?

Not every single person on the "battlefield" sees us as liberators. And you can't necessarily blame them, either. Some people just don't fucking want us there at all. That should be their choice, seeing as how it's THEIR country.

So if they pick up a weapon and defend their neighborhood, it's not necessarily because they're "enemies of the USA".

Food for thought.

Well...if their country hadn't been harboring an international terrorist organization that flew several planes into buildings in the "outside country" maybe the "outside country" wouldn't be bombing the ever-loving shit out of them and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Food for thought.

 

[random3434]

The uncomfortable ugly bottom line is this: so long as we run secret prisons across the globe we, as a Nation, have no authority to speak about a justice system.

For this particular case....it's too close to a Minority Report minus all three pre-cogs. It's similar to the recent arrest of an individual based on what they "thought" he was going to do.

We have given up concrete Rights for a cotton candy Homeland Security Umbrella. As disturbing as the reports are, I have yet to see anything solid they will be convicted on.

So you don't believe these people are Christian 'warriors' of the anti-government group Hutaree?

What exactly do you think they were up to if not to kill the police, as the FBI has found their plan to be?

And what's your source of information?

I'd like to know this too. Isn't it better to stop 'terror' before people are killed? Am I missing something here from those on this thread and elsewhere who are making excuses for these people?

 

[Paulie]

For the terminally stupid who live in other country's and pretend to know all about America...let me break it down for you....
When you're captured on the field of battle with an AK-47, after shooting in the direction of U.S. troops screaming "Allahu Akbar!!!"...I think that THAT little factoid basically says...this guy is pretty much an ENEMY OF AMERICA.

Try to keep up. If you can't we have great medical care until it collapses in about 3 years...you could come here and get treated for your case of brainfartitus.

Let's just play devil's advocate, here.

When an outside country invades your country and bombs the ever loving shit out of your friends and family, and threatens to kill you too unless you lay down and comply, what else do you expect the indigenous people to do besides act on their instinct to protect THEIR country and people?

Not every single person on the "battlefield" sees us as liberators. And you can't necessarily blame them, either. Some people just don't fucking want us there at all. That should be their choice, seeing as how it's THEIR country.

So if they pick up a weapon and defend their neighborhood, it's not necessarily because they're "enemies of the USA".

Food for thought.

Good for you. A healthy mistrust of people with badges is always the way to go.

Was this sarcastic?

 

[Queen]

The uncomfortable ugly bottom line is this: so long as we run secret prisons across the globe we, as a Nation, have no authority to speak about a justice system.

For this particular case....it's too close to a Minority Report minus all three pre-cogs. It's similar to the recent arrest of an individual based on what they "thought" he was going to do.

We have given up concrete Rights for a cotton candy Homeland Security Umbrella. As disturbing as the reports are, I have yet to see anything solid they will be convicted on.

So you don't believe these people are Christian 'warriors' of the anti-government group Hutaree?

What exactly do you think they were up to if not to kill the police, as the FBI has found their plan to be?

And what's your source of information?

I'd like to know this too. Isn't it better to stop 'terror' before people are killed? Am I missing something here from those on this thread and elsewhere who are making excuses for these people?

You brought up something really funny. If the FBI didn't catch them before they killed, the right would probably blame Obama for being soft or something.

 

[Ravi]

Let's just play devil's advocate, here.

When an outside country invades your country and bombs the ever loving shit out of your friends and family, and threatens to kill you too unless you lay down and comply, what else do you expect the indigenous people to do besides act on their instinct to protect THEIR country and people?

Not every single person on the "battlefield" sees us as liberators. And you can't necessarily blame them, either. Some people just don't fucking want us there at all. That should be their choice, seeing as how it's THEIR country.

So if they pick up a weapon and defend their neighborhood, it's not necessarily because they're "enemies of the USA".

Food for thought.

Good for you. A healthy mistrust of people with badges is always the way to go.

Was this sarcastic?

Not at all. IMO, people shouldn't be convicted unless they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And people with badges have been known to abuse their power. It's just human nature.

That's why I'm against the death penalty. Gives the government too much power.

 

[Paulie]

For the terminally stupid who live in other country's and pretend to know all about America...let me break it down for you....
When you're captured on the field of battle with an AK-47, after shooting in the direction of U.S. troops screaming "Allahu Akbar!!!"...I think that THAT little factoid basically says...this guy is pretty much an ENEMY OF AMERICA.

Try to keep up. If you can't we have great medical care until it collapses in about 3 years...you could come here and get treated for your case of brainfartitus.

Let's just play devil's advocate, here.

When an outside country invades your country and bombs the ever loving shit out of your friends and family, and threatens to kill you too unless you lay down and comply, what else do you expect the indigenous people to do besides act on their instinct to protect THEIR country and people?

Not every single person on the "battlefield" sees us as liberators. And you can't necessarily blame them, either. Some people just don't fucking want us there at all. That should be their choice, seeing as how it's THEIR country.

So if they pick up a weapon and defend their neighborhood, it's not necessarily because they're "enemies of the USA".

Food for thought.

Well...if their country hadn't been harboring an international terrorist organization that flew several planes into buildings in the "outside country" maybe the "outside country" wouldn't be bombing the ever-loving shit out of them and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Food for thought.

A random guy on the battlefield who feels the need to pick up a gun and defend his neighborhood from an invading army has nothing to do with whether or not his country supported terrorism.

All I'm saying is that not every foreign combatant is automatically an enemy of the USA.

If someone invaded us tomorrow, and their army came rolling through your neighborhood, you'd pick up a fucking gun and fight if one was available to you. And you would probably do it regardless of the publicly stated intentions of the invading nation. Because if you don't want them in your neighborhood, you don't want them in your neighborhood. None of that would have anything to do with what your government was or wasn't responsible for.

 

[AllieBaba]

The uncomfortable ugly bottom line is this: so long as we run secret prisons across the globe we, as a Nation, have no authority to speak about a justice system.

For this particular case....it's too close to a Minority Report minus all three pre-cogs. It's similar to the recent arrest of an individual based on what they "thought" he was going to do.

We have given up concrete Rights for a cotton candy Homeland Security Umbrella. As disturbing as the reports are, I have yet to see anything solid they will be convicted on.

So you don't believe these people are Christian 'warriors' of the anti-government group Hutaree?

What exactly do you think they were up to if not to kill the police, as the FBI has found their plan to be?

And what's your source of information?

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN guilty.

Queen, you slobbering idiot. In this country, the US, it isn't the job of people to PROVE INNOCENCE. Get it? Huh? Rather, you PROVE GUILT.

Fucking moron.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Let's just play devil's advocate, here.

When an outside country invades your country and bombs the ever loving shit out of your friends and family, and threatens to kill you too unless you lay down and comply, what else do you expect the indigenous people to do besides act on their instinct to protect THEIR country and people?

Not every single person on the "battlefield" sees us as liberators. And you can't necessarily blame them, either. Some people just don't fucking want us there at all. That should be their choice, seeing as how it's THEIR country.

So if they pick up a weapon and defend their neighborhood, it's not necessarily because they're "enemies of the USA".

Food for thought.

Well...if their country hadn't been harboring an international terrorist organization that flew several planes into buildings in the "outside country" maybe the "outside country" wouldn't be bombing the ever-loving shit out of them and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Food for thought.

A random guy on the battlefield who feels the need to pick up a gun and defend his neighborhood from an invading army has nothing to do with whether or not his country supported terrorism.

All I'm saying is that not every foreign combatant is automatically an enemy of the USA.

If someone invaded us tomorrow, and their army came rolling through your neighborhood, you'd pick up a fucking gun and fight if one was available to you. And you would probably do it regardless of the publicly stated intentions of the invading nation. Because if you don't want them in your neighborhood, you don't want them in your neighborhood. None of that would have anything to do with what your government was or wasn't responsible for.

Oh yes it does!!!!!!! You act like we invaded Afghanistan just for the hell of it and that's CLEARLY NOT THE CASE.

 

[Paulie]

Well...if their country hadn't been harboring an international terrorist organization that flew several planes into buildings in the "outside country" maybe the "outside country" wouldn't be bombing the ever-loving shit out of them and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Food for thought.

A random guy on the battlefield who feels the need to pick up a gun and defend his neighborhood from an invading army has nothing to do with whether or not his country supported terrorism.

All I'm saying is that not every foreign combatant is automatically an enemy of the USA.

If someone invaded us tomorrow, and their army came rolling through your neighborhood, you'd pick up a fucking gun and fight if one was available to you. And you would probably do it regardless of the publicly stated intentions of the invading nation. Because if you don't want them in your neighborhood, you don't want them in your neighborhood. None of that would have anything to do with what your government was or wasn't responsible for.

Oh yes it does!!!!!!! You act like we invaded Afghanistan just for the hell of it and that's CLEARLY NOT THE CASE.

You don't get it.

There are going to be people in Afghanistan who don't want us intervening in their affairs. Being as how that's THEIR country, they have that choice.

Again, if someone invaded us and expected you to just lay down and concede your neighborhood to their army, would you?

Don't think about it in terms of what either of the countries' governments did, because in Afghanistan there are people who have no fucking idea what's going on outside of their own village. It's not like they have internet and cable tv, and a kid who delivers newspapers on their doorsteps every morning.

Personally, I don't give a fuck about ANY other circumstances if someone invaded my neighborhood and told me I had to live under their military rules. My neighborhood is my fucking neighborhood, and you better believe I'm locking and loading.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

A random guy on the battlefield who feels the need to pick up a gun and defend his neighborhood from an invading army has nothing to do with whether or not his country supported terrorism.

All I'm saying is that not every foreign combatant is automatically an enemy of the USA.

If someone invaded us tomorrow, and their army came rolling through your neighborhood, you'd pick up a fucking gun and fight if one was available to you. And you would probably do it regardless of the publicly stated intentions of the invading nation. Because if you don't want them in your neighborhood, you don't want them in your neighborhood. None of that would have anything to do with what your government was or wasn't responsible for.

Oh yes it does!!!!!!! You act like we invaded Afghanistan just for the hell of it and that's CLEARLY NOT THE CASE.

You don't get it.

There are going to be people in Afghanistan who don't want us intervening in their affairs. Being as how that's THEIR country, they have that choice.

Again, if someone invaded us and expected you to just lay down and concede your neighborhood to their army, would you?

Don't think about it in terms of what either of the countries' governments did, because in Afghanistan there are people who have no fucking idea what's going on outside of their own village. It's not like they have internet and cable tv, and a kid who delivers newspapers on their doorsteps every morning.

Personally, I don't give a fuck about ANY other circumstances if someone invaded my neighborhood and told me I had to live under their military rules. My neighborhood is my fucking neighborhood, and you better believe I'm locking and loading.

I understand your point about ignorance of what your government does...Afghanistan is quite the backwards country. In your scenario of course I could understand why they pick up a rifle and attack the outside country. That's why those who did that were vetted at Gitmo and released.

 

[Dr Grump]

Well...if their country hadn't been harboring an international terrorist organization that flew several planes into buildings in the "outside country" maybe the "outside country" wouldn't be bombing the ever-loving shit out of them and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Food for thought.

1) Who says they had AK47's when they were picked up? You know a lot of them were "dobbed in' by their neighbours.
2) Their country was? You are really naive when it comes to the inner mechanisms of how Afghanistan is run. I am not surprised at your lack of knowledge. Your inept conclusions and Jingoistic neocon populism that reeks out of every pore in your posts are there for all to see. As somebody rightly pointed out recently, Afghanistan is a tribal society, but having a PhD in brainfarts you try and attribute modern, western ideals to a tribal-based society.
3) Food for thought indeed.....

 

[Dr Grump]

Oh yes it does!!!!!!! You act like we invaded Afghanistan just for the hell of it and that's CLEARLY NOT THE CASE.

And you being an elitist neocon whackjob are claiming that some how the Afghanistani version of you (the Taliban) represented the Afghani people. They didn't. If some US airforce bombs my wedding and US politicos etc want to call my friends and family collateral damage, the chances of me picking up a weapon and wanting to shoot your arse are pretty high. And morally and ethically I'd be in the right. You'd be in the wrong.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Feds: Christian militia needed to be 'taken down' - Yahoo! News


I wonder what would have happened if they hadn't been caught? What kind of bloodshed would have happened? Thank you FBI!

Oh the list of chronically unemployed Union thug, entitlement minded Democrats who are going to be determined to take the government by force is ENDLESS... and I'm all for takin' 'em all down.

Of course we haven't even BEGUN TO SEE even the edge of the nutball...

Wait until November, when the Left is kicked to the curb... I suspect it's gonna get very interestin'...

Odds are a fair percentage of these cranks will actually try to find ways to hook up with their allies in Islam; and we should see quite a Left-fest when the Legislature defunds Obama sCare... and the media starts to focus on the starving ranks of the chronically unemployed... and has little interviews with little crank groups yucking it up in little shacks out in the woods... talking about how they are ENTITLED to a JOB... HOUSING... HEALTHCARE and the government isn't providing it.

And the same idiots that are here crying over the faux-'Christian Militia' will be proudly declaring that 'its ON!'...