FDR's Lend-Lease....or Stalin's?

[PoliticalChic]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek.
Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.





2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.




3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.





4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces."
From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.





5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson'sw "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, an put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse."
George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.





a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant.
Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.




When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence from KGB archives, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.


Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?

No doubt.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Wait, wait, wait, wait! Wait just a minute there! Are you saying that the US built up it's long time cold War Enemy? Next thing yer gonna' tell us is that Bankers helped Lenin get in power!

American Lend/Lease Bell P-39 Fighter:

 

[mamooth]

Was there a point to the OP? We know lend-lease existed. It's absurd to claim it was because FDR was a commie, and pointless to cherrypick dubious factoids.

Quoting Johnson doesn't help credibility either, given that Johnson hated Kennedy for not going war over Cuba, adored dictators like Franco and Pinochet, thought Nixon was a victim of the liberals, and is known for creative versions of history.

Oh, when a B-25 from the Doolittle raid diverted to Russia, the Russians took the crew into custody, as was required by their treaty with Japan. And treated the crew very well. And later helped the crew "escape" into Iran and back to allied lines. Doesn't sound like they hated us.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Was there a point to the OP? We know lend-lease existed. It's absurd to claim it was because FDR was a commie, and pointless to cherrypick dubious factoids.

Quoting Johnson doesn't help credibility either, given that Johnson hated Kennedy for not going war over Cuba, adored dictators like Franco and Pinochet, thought Nixon was a victim of the liberals, and is known for creative versions of history.

Oh, when a B-25 from the Doolittle raid diverted to Russia, the Russians took the crew into custody, as was required by their treaty with Japan. And treated the crew very well. And later helped the crew "escape" into Iran and back to allied lines. Doesn't sound like they hated us.

"It's absurd to claim it was because FDR was a commie,..."



1. "William Albert Wirt (1874–1938) was a superintendent of schools in Gary, Indiana. Wirt developed the Gary Plan for the more efficient use of school facilities, a reform of the Progressive Movement that was widely adopted in other cities.... After his testimony against the Roosevelt Brain Trust, he was denounced as a reactionary by Democrats and those on the left,..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wirt_(educator)



2. You see, Roosevelt's New Deal was riddled with communists....paid agents of Stalin.
At a dinner party, a number administration officials spilled the beans, spoke openly about the plans to cause a revolution so they can rebuild America in the Soviet's image.
"Wirt claimed he had "discovered" evidence of a plot within FDR's administration to launch a Bolshevik takeover of the United States..... garnering all kind of media attention, and even testifying before Congress about his evidence of a "concrete plan" for the overthrow of the U.S. government crafted by members of FDR's "Brain Trusters."

"Roosevelt is only the Kerensky of this revolution," he quoted them. (Kerensky was the provisional leader of Russia just before the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.) The hoodwinked president would be permitted to stay in office, they said, "until we are ready to supplant him with a Stalin." The Washington Monthly


3. On April 10, 1934, Wirt was brought before a select committee of two Republicans and three Democrats.\
"Contrary to custom, Wirt wouldn't be allowed to read his 10-minute opening statement (3-2 party line vote), would not be allowed counsel (3-2 party line vote), wouldn't be allowed to rebut charges against him (3-2 party line vote), even the false accusation that he had been jailed for German sympathies (Democrat chairman admitted they were false five days later).
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p.2.

a. The committee (guess the vote) refused to call any of the administration officials Wirt cited, including the Agriculture Department who told Wirt about retarding economic recovery to speed the revolution, and the housing officials planning to collectivize American workers in government planned communities.
West, Op.Cit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.





Perhaps we thought there would be too high a risk to reinforce those troops?

How would it compare to the risk of supplying the Soviets?

In July, 1942, a supply convoy called PQ-17 was sent to supply the USSR at Murmansk. Only 11 of the 35 merchant ships in the convoy survived German attacks.
Robert Sherwood, "The White House Papers of Harry L. Hopkins: An Intimate History," vol.2, p.634-645.





Could an attempt to supply MacArthur have cost more men and material?




The explanation: an unnoticed, unimagined crime of Communist penetration and influence on American policy, not only during the war....but after.

There was the infamous "betrayal at Yalta" that handed Eastern Europe to the Soviet.


Perhaps a greater betrayal was the besmirching of America's shining moment: at the end of WWII when our leaders allowed the lesson of our great moral and noble achievement to sink from memory to be replaced by postmodern doubt and multicultural division.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 48.


Certainly appears that FDR was taking orders from elsewhere.....or at least persuaded....or influenced?

 

[Spoonman]

what is more damning is the the majority of the supplies provided were never even opened and used during the war. they sat on docks and in storage yards. Stalin kept calling for more when he wasn't even using what he was getting.

 

[regent]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek.
Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.





2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.




3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.





4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces."
From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.





5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson'sw "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, an put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse."
George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.





a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant.
Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.




When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence from KGB archives, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.


Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?

No doubt.

Yes, if we had shipped those airplanes to the Philippines instead of Russia, they would have been destroyed on the ground along with the rest of the airplanes we had sent to MacArthur. Another little error by Mac.
Every German killed by the Russians was one German less to oppose the Americans and British. In fact, could we have defeated Germany without the Russians, and what would the allied casualties have been like?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek.
Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.





2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.




3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.





4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces."
From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.





5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson'sw "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, an put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse."
George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.





a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant.
Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.




When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence from KGB archives, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.


Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?

No doubt.

Yes, if we had shipped those airplanes to the Philippines instead of Russia, they would have been destroyed on the ground along with the rest of the airplanes we had sent to MacArthur. Another little error by Mac.
Every German killed by the Russians was one German less to oppose the Americans and British. In fact, could we have defeated Germany without the Russians, and what would the allied casualties have been like?

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.


So.....you don't want to take the challenge, reggie?

 

[Unkotare]

The scumbag FDR is indefensible for a great many reasons, some you have described quite well above.

 

[regent]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek.
Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.





2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.




3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.





4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces."
From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.





5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson'sw "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, an put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse."
George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.





a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant.
Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.




When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence from KGB archives, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.


Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?

No doubt.

Yes, if we had shipped those airplanes to the Philippines instead of Russia, they would have been destroyed on the ground along with the rest of the airplanes we had sent to MacArthur. Another little error by Mac.
Every German killed by the Russians was one German less to oppose the Americans and British. In fact, could we have defeated Germany without the Russians, and what would the allied casualties have been like?

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.


So.....you don't want to take the challenge, reggie?

So what's the challenge, to defend a president that was elected four times by the American people (a record) and rated America's greatest president by the most noted historians and presidential experts?
To offer evidence such as sending butter to Russia might have had more impact if it was also mentioned that FDR physically leaned a lot on his son, and Eleanor's columns were idle chatter and that FDR was such an egoist that he insisted we win our war.
Still, after all these years I can understand why FDR is still such a thorn to conservatives when they offer us such, as Bush and Romney. Perhaps there is an estimate somewhere in all those tomes of the number of Americans that would have died if the USSR had made a peace with Hitler? Butter indeed.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, if we had shipped those airplanes to the Philippines instead of Russia, they would have been destroyed on the ground along with the rest of the airplanes we had sent to MacArthur. Another little error by Mac.
Every German killed by the Russians was one German less to oppose the Americans and British. In fact, could we have defeated Germany without the Russians, and what would the allied casualties have been like?

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.


So.....you don't want to take the challenge, reggie?

So what's the challenge,.

How about to address the very specific points raised by Political Chick instead of avoiding them in favor of sloppy, moist, hero-worship of the worst scumbag ever to soil the office of President of the United States?

 

[hoosier88]

Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

Perhaps we thought there would be too high a risk to reinforce those troops?

How would it compare to the risk of supplying the Soviets?

In July, 1942, a supply convoy called PQ-17 was sent to supply the USSR at Murmansk. Only 11 of the 35 merchant ships in the convoy survived German attacks.
Robert Sherwood, "The White House Papers of Harry L. Hopkins: An Intimate History," vol.2, p.634-645.

Could an attempt to supply MacArthur have cost more men and material?

The explanation: an unnoticed, unimagined crime of Communist penetration and influence on American policy, not only during the war....but after.

There was the infamous "betrayal at Yalta" that handed Eastern Europe to the Soviet.

Perhaps a greater betrayal was the besmirching of America's shining moment: at the end of WWII when our leaders allowed the lesson of our great moral and noble achievement to sink from memory to be replaced by postmodern doubt and multicultural division.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 48.

Certainly appears that FDR was taking orders from elsewhere.....or at least persuaded....or influenced?

(My bold)

McArthur had perfectly adequate supplies & ammo & arms. Eisenhower was his XO, & Eisenhower was excellent on logistics. McArthur, however, detached from the US Army, & getting paid handsomely to head up the Philippine military, decided to defend against a Japanese invasion @ the beaches. (He didn't have the manpower nor prepared positions. Nor a plan for callup & formation of units & deployment, after arming & equipping the men. But he did move his supply depots to just behind the beaches, where they were excellent supplements for the Japanese invasion forces to liberate & celebrate with.)

McArthur also failed to carry out his orders from the US to launch a full-fledged long-range bomber attack (B-17s, as I recall. That's why B-17s were assigned to the Philippines in the first place) on the Japanese main airbase for the attack on the Philippines in Formosa. He dithered & wept & basically lost his nerve - darker murmurings are that he took a pile of baksheesh from the Philippine governor to throw the match & allow the Japanese into essentially an "open country". Last laugh on the governor, if that was true. The Japanese wanted resources & space, & they weren't about to waste a bullet on anyone when there was katana & bayonet practice to be had.

So, McArthur had thrown away the supplies he had. Good milk after bad wouldn't have helped us @ all. Although MrArthur did buck up after we held a tickertape parade for him & awarded him the Medal of Honor, for gallantly abandoning his command to the tender mercies of the IJA & IJN.

Back @ the main event, FDR sent every scrap of aid he could get to the USSR because they were killing Nazis. The USSR was the only country killing Nazis in great numbers, & the only WWII country that ever did kill great numbers of Nazis (look @ casualties for WWII) although the USSR itself finally staggered to an end in the 1990s.

Or would you rather be speaking German these days? If you actually look like your avatar, the Sonderkommando might have allowed you to live. Although given your politics, maybe not.

 

[Spoonman]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek.
Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.





2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.




3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.





4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces."
From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.





5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson'sw "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, an put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse."
George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.





a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant.
Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.




When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence from KGB archives, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.


Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?

No doubt.

Yes, if we had shipped those airplanes to the Philippines instead of Russia, they would have been destroyed on the ground along with the rest of the airplanes we had sent to MacArthur. Another little error by Mac.
Every German killed by the Russians was one German less to oppose the Americans and British. In fact, could we have defeated Germany without the Russians, and what would the allied casualties have been like?

macarthur got nothing. men, material. everything he got was outdated and not wanted by the other generals for the war in Europe. macarthur was left to rot on the vine. told to hold out as long as he could with what he had. his defeat was expected and they only hoped he could hold out as long as he could. it was very clear the strategy was Europe first. any resources in the pacific went to Nimitz.

 

[regent]

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.


So.....you don't want to take the challenge, reggie?

So what's the challenge,.

How about to address the very specific points raised by Political Chick instead of avoiding them in favor of sloppy, moist, hero-worship of the worst scumbag ever to soil the office of President of the United States?

How about letting PC answer for herself? As for your opinion on FDR how does one answer the charges that the sun revolves about the earth?

 

[Unkotare]

So what's the challenge,.

How about to address the very specific points raised by Political Chick instead of avoiding them in favor of sloppy, moist, hero-worship of the worst scumbag ever to soil the office of President of the United States?

How about letting PC answer for herself? As for your opinion on FDR how does one answer the charges that the sun revolves about the earth?

And here you are avoiding facts again in favor of mindless hero-worship.

 

[regent]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek.
Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.





2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.




3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.





4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces."
From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.





5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson'sw "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, an put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse."
George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.





a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant.
Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.




When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence from KGB archives, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.


Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?

No doubt.

Yes, if we had shipped those airplanes to the Philippines instead of Russia, they would have been destroyed on the ground along with the rest of the airplanes we had sent to MacArthur. Another little error by Mac.
Every German killed by the Russians was one German less to oppose the Americans and British. In fact, could we have defeated Germany without the Russians, and what would the allied casualties have been like?

macarthur got nothing. men, material. everything he got was outdated and not wanted by the other generals for the war in Europe. macarthur was left to rot on the vine. told to hold out as long as he could with what he had. his defeat was expected and they only hoped he could hold out as long as he could. it was very clear the strategy was Europe first. any resources in the pacific went to Nimitz.

The Philippines were written off with the loss of the ships at Pearl, all the Orange plans were to no avail.
Nimitz got the fleet, because he was navy. There is, and was, tremendous inter-service rivalry and because of that rivalry the Pacific was divided into two primary theaters, Southwest Pacific and Central Pacific. Did that dividing the Pacific lengthen the Pacific war, and did we need to retake the Philippines or was that just a MacArthur's ego trip?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

Perhaps we thought there would be too high a risk to reinforce those troops?

How would it compare to the risk of supplying the Soviets?

In July, 1942, a supply convoy called PQ-17 was sent to supply the USSR at Murmansk. Only 11 of the 35 merchant ships in the convoy survived German attacks.
Robert Sherwood, "The White House Papers of Harry L. Hopkins: An Intimate History," vol.2, p.634-645.

Could an attempt to supply MacArthur have cost more men and material?

The explanation: an unnoticed, unimagined crime of Communist penetration and influence on American policy, not only during the war....but after.

There was the infamous "betrayal at Yalta" that handed Eastern Europe to the Soviet.

Perhaps a greater betrayal was the besmirching of America's shining moment: at the end of WWII when our leaders allowed the lesson of our great moral and noble achievement to sink from memory to be replaced by postmodern doubt and multicultural division.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 48.

Certainly appears that FDR was taking orders from elsewhere.....or at least persuaded....or influenced?

(My bold)

McArthur had perfectly adequate supplies & ammo & arms. Eisenhower was his XO, & Eisenhower was excellent on logistics. McArthur, however, detached from the US Army, & getting paid handsomely to head up the Philippine military, decided to defend against a Japanese invasion @ the beaches. (He didn't have the manpower nor prepared positions. Nor a plan for callup & formation of units & deployment, after arming & equipping the men. But he did move his supply depots to just behind the beaches, where they were excellent supplements for the Japanese invasion forces to liberate & celebrate with.)

McArthur also failed to carry out his orders from the US to launch a full-fledged long-range bomber attack (B-17s, as I recall. That's why B-17s were assigned to the Philippines in the first place) on the Japanese main airbase for the attack on the Philippines in Formosa. He dithered & wept & basically lost his nerve - darker murmurings are that he took a pile of baksheesh from the Philippine governor to throw the match & allow the Japanese into essentially an "open country". Last laugh on the governor, if that was true. The Japanese wanted resources & space, & they weren't about to waste a bullet on anyone when there was katana & bayonet practice to be had.

So, McArthur had thrown away the supplies he had. Good milk after bad wouldn't have helped us @ all. Although MrArthur did buck up after we held a tickertape parade for him & awarded him the Medal of Honor, for gallantly abandoning his command to the tender mercies of the IJA & IJN.

Back @ the main event, FDR sent every scrap of aid he could get to the USSR because they were killing Nazis. The USSR was the only country killing Nazis in great numbers, & the only WWII country that ever did kill great numbers of Nazis (look @ casualties for WWII) although the USSR itself finally staggered to an end in the 1990s.

Or would you rather be speaking German these days? If you actually look like your avatar, the Sonderkommando might have allowed you to live. Although given your politics, maybe not.

Was macht Sie glauben, ich spreche kein Deutsch?





" FDR sent every scrap of aid he could get to the USSR because they were killing Nazis."

You really haven't addressed the point.


Unless your argument is that the Russians were dropping bathtubs and pianos on the Nazis, and hardening their arteries with Paula Deen-butter laden dishes.....


Here's that partial list again....

2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.


3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.



And, pay special attention to the hearing Congress held on the atomic materials sent....




Need I spell out what the subtext is?

 

[regent]

Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

Perhaps we thought there would be too high a risk to reinforce those troops?

How would it compare to the risk of supplying the Soviets?

In July, 1942, a supply convoy called PQ-17 was sent to supply the USSR at Murmansk. Only 11 of the 35 merchant ships in the convoy survived German attacks.
Robert Sherwood, "The White House Papers of Harry L. Hopkins: An Intimate History," vol.2, p.634-645.

Could an attempt to supply MacArthur have cost more men and material?

The explanation: an unnoticed, unimagined crime of Communist penetration and influence on American policy, not only during the war....but after.

There was the infamous "betrayal at Yalta" that handed Eastern Europe to the Soviet.

Perhaps a greater betrayal was the besmirching of America's shining moment: at the end of WWII when our leaders allowed the lesson of our great moral and noble achievement to sink from memory to be replaced by postmodern doubt and multicultural division.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 48.

Certainly appears that FDR was taking orders from elsewhere.....or at least persuaded....or influenced?

(My bold)

McArthur had perfectly adequate supplies & ammo & arms. Eisenhower was his XO, & Eisenhower was excellent on logistics. McArthur, however, detached from the US Army, & getting paid handsomely to head up the Philippine military, decided to defend against a Japanese invasion @ the beaches. (He didn't have the manpower nor prepared positions. Nor a plan for callup & formation of units & deployment, after arming & equipping the men. But he did move his supply depots to just behind the beaches, where they were excellent supplements for the Japanese invasion forces to liberate & celebrate with.)

McArthur also failed to carry out his orders from the US to launch a full-fledged long-range bomber attack (B-17s, as I recall. That's why B-17s were assigned to the Philippines in the first place) on the Japanese main airbase for the attack on the Philippines in Formosa. He dithered & wept & basically lost his nerve - darker murmurings are that he took a pile of baksheesh from the Philippine governor to throw the match & allow the Japanese into essentially an "open country". Last laugh on the governor, if that was true. The Japanese wanted resources & space, & they weren't about to waste a bullet on anyone when there was katana & bayonet practice to be had.

So, McArthur had thrown away the supplies he had. Good milk after bad wouldn't have helped us @ all. Although MrArthur did buck up after we held a tickertape parade for him & awarded him the Medal of Honor, for gallantly abandoning his command to the tender mercies of the IJA & IJN.

Back @ the main event, FDR sent every scrap of aid he could get to the USSR because they were killing Nazis. The USSR was the only country killing Nazis in great numbers, & the only WWII country that ever did kill great numbers of Nazis (look @ casualties for WWII) although the USSR itself finally staggered to an end in the 1990s.

Or would you rather be speaking German these days? If you actually look like your avatar, the Sonderkommando might have allowed you to live. Although given your politics, maybe not.

Was macht Sie glauben, ich spreche kein Deutsch?





" FDR sent every scrap of aid he could get to the USSR because they were killing Nazis."

You really haven't addressed the point.


Unless your argument is that the Russians were dropping bathtubs and pianos on the Nazis, and hardening their arteries with Paula Deen-butter laden dishes.....


Here's that partial list again....

2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.


3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.



And, pay special attention to the hearing Congress held on the atomic materials sent....




Need I spell out what the subtext is?

You might want to do some more homework on Lend-Lease? What was it's objective? Did your author mention reverse lend lease, materials other nations sent to the US including uranium, and cheese?

 

[PoliticalChic]

(My bold)

McArthur had perfectly adequate supplies & ammo & arms. Eisenhower was his XO, & Eisenhower was excellent on logistics. McArthur, however, detached from the US Army, & getting paid handsomely to head up the Philippine military, decided to defend against a Japanese invasion @ the beaches. (He didn't have the manpower nor prepared positions. Nor a plan for callup & formation of units & deployment, after arming & equipping the men. But he did move his supply depots to just behind the beaches, where they were excellent supplements for the Japanese invasion forces to liberate & celebrate with.)

McArthur also failed to carry out his orders from the US to launch a full-fledged long-range bomber attack (B-17s, as I recall. That's why B-17s were assigned to the Philippines in the first place) on the Japanese main airbase for the attack on the Philippines in Formosa. He dithered & wept & basically lost his nerve - darker murmurings are that he took a pile of baksheesh from the Philippine governor to throw the match & allow the Japanese into essentially an "open country". Last laugh on the governor, if that was true. The Japanese wanted resources & space, & they weren't about to waste a bullet on anyone when there was katana & bayonet practice to be had.

So, McArthur had thrown away the supplies he had. Good milk after bad wouldn't have helped us @ all. Although MrArthur did buck up after we held a tickertape parade for him & awarded him the Medal of Honor, for gallantly abandoning his command to the tender mercies of the IJA & IJN.

Back @ the main event, FDR sent every scrap of aid he could get to the USSR because they were killing Nazis. The USSR was the only country killing Nazis in great numbers, & the only WWII country that ever did kill great numbers of Nazis (look @ casualties for WWII) although the USSR itself finally staggered to an end in the 1990s.

Or would you rather be speaking German these days? If you actually look like your avatar, the Sonderkommando might have allowed you to live. Although given your politics, maybe not.

Was macht Sie glauben, ich spreche kein Deutsch?





" FDR sent every scrap of aid he could get to the USSR because they were killing Nazis."

You really haven't addressed the point.


Unless your argument is that the Russians were dropping bathtubs and pianos on the Nazis, and hardening their arteries with Paula Deen-butter laden dishes.....


Here's that partial list again....

2. Another case was Lend-Lease: supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.
West, "American Betrayal," chapter two.


3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs.
Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing.
John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.



And, pay special attention to the hearing Congress held on the atomic materials sent....




Need I spell out what the subtext is?

You might want to do some more homework on Lend-Lease? What was it's objective? Did your author mention reverse lend lease, materials other nations sent to the US including uranium, and cheese?

With Michael gone, I might have to recommend you as a replacement....

...'cause that's some mighty fancy foot-work you're doing....


Perhaps it was your inattention....you did have a misplaced question mark in line one....


Re-read from "You really haven't addressed the point" and see if you actually respond to the post.

 

[Moonglow]

Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

how could the US supply the Philippines with an over powering Japanese navy?