FDR knew!

[Moonglow]

Any military planner worthy of the term, looking at the pre-Dec. 1941 map of the Pacific and familiar with the previous thirty years' history, would not have been 'surprised' that Japan did what it did.
That US military planners claim to have been surprised is, therefore, not believable. However, that does not clarify much in the way or any conspiracy theories. It may merely reflect upon competence.

They knew it was coming and helped it happen...

Knowledge of the plan was limited to 13 Roosevelt administration members and chief military officers, and 21 members of Naval Intelligence and related operations. Once it produced the intended result and the attack impended, the Pacific fleet’s modern naval vessels were sent to sea from Pearl Harbor, leaving seven antiquated World War One battleships as decoys. Meanwhile, the Japanese fleet was tracked with radio intercepts from its formation off the Kuril Islands on November 16, and its sailing for Hawaii on November 26; its course was cleared of all shipping with a Vacant Sea order on the 22nd; and Pearl Harbor naval patrols were ordered out of the area on the 25th. Intelligence of the impending attack was withheld from the officers (Admiral Kimmel and General Short) charged with defending Pearl Harbor, who were kept uninformed of the plan and intelligence of the impending attack, and scape-goated afterward. A coverup of the entire operation was maintained through eight official and Congressional investigations between 1941 and 1946, and down to Strom Thurmond’s inquiry in 1995.

Pearl Harbor Facts and Proof

When asserting such charges, real evidence is needed, like a copy of the orders or memos regarding the actions There are none in this blog review..There are no direct citations with visible evidence...Only what someone writing the book claims...In other words, you, the reader,, are just to assume what is said is the truth...

My post was not in reference to anything other than what was apparent at the time. Japan had the biggest navy in the world, by far the most aircraft carriers, an absolute dependence upon imported resources, a history of 'surprise' attacks, and a radical, out-of-control militarist, fascist, right wing government in charge.

From the actual documents I have read on the hearings by Congress on the attack, it does state that they knew there was going to be an attack, they did not know exactly the most important issue of time and place. The US had it's air craft carrier out of the harbor in the event of such an attack and also to do -patrol duty, yet one carrier can't cover much more than a radius of 2-300 miles from the ship...
The idea that the shipping lanes were abandoned is a strategy used when knowing your enemy has a superior force and thus air patrol was the most important way to operate strategically.The commander of Pearl had been alerted and later it was found that he did not stress the use of air patrol to it's furthest extent..

 

[Moonglow]

America at that time was weak on coordination of using combined arms tactics, which they had to learn the hard way later in the war.They were still using WWI tactics..That is why the French lost.....Their was no US Air Force at the time, it was divided in to the Army Air corps, Navy and Marine Air Corps..They would even share intelligence between them at that time..
And this business about provoking Japan is a load.They are the ones that made the plans and the decision to knock out the US fleet to have total domination of the Pacific.With all their lightening speed success in attacks, being that ,,again all allies of the Pacific were less coordinated and lacked the strength needed to repeal Japan...
Japan’s approach in 1941, which consisted of negotiations in parallel with preparations for war, never gave the negotiations any realistic chance of success unless the United States agreed to Japan’s conditions. Thus, increasingly, war became the only remaining option. An Imperial Conference on July 2, 1941, confirmed the decision to attack the Western powers. In early September, the Emperor declined to overrule the decision to go to war and the final authorization for war was given on December 1. By this time, Yamamoto’s Pearl Harbor attack force was already at sea.

 

[there4eyeM]

Perhaps off topic, but can't agree with why France lost; essentially they lost because they didn't drive for Berlin in September 1939. In the end, they lost because they listened to the British and got their army outflanked.
Back to WWII, as it is evident the attack had to have been anticipated, the strategic reasons for allowing it in the way it was are fascinating to speculate about. WWII was a real turning point for America; it never returned to what it had been. Probably, it couldn't have.

 

[Moonglow]

Perhaps off target, but can't agree with why France lost; essentially they lost because they didn't drive for Berlin in September 1939. In the end, they lost because they listened to the British and got their army outflanked.

They used the static line defense, which did not work against the blitzkrieg style of war..Which was an outdated strategy from WWI..

 

[there4eyeM]

They were way out to the west when Guderian drove through the Ardennes, under the British plan that counted on the Germans doing just what the Brits wanted.
By the way, De Gaulle wrote interesting things about what became known as blitzkrieg well before the Wehmacht put it into practice. A French equivalent to Rommel would have stopped the onslaught and likely been in Berlin in two weeks.

 

[Moonglow]

They were way out to the west when Guderian drove through the Ardennes, under the British plan that counted on the Germans doing just what the Brits wanted.
By the way, De Gaulle wrote interesting things about what became known as blitzkrieg well before the Wehmacht put it into practice. A French equivalent to Rommel would have stopped the onslaught and likely been in Berlin in two weeks.

And the US had Patton, yet no funding..

 

[Votto]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

Shit stains everything

 

[Pete7469]

Really should have let the japs wipe out more chinese. They would have left the islands alone. The Krauts could have taken out the soviets and if nazism didn't implode on it's own, the nazis and japs would have eventually gone to war and we could sell them the guns.

Should have been minding our business back then. We wouldn't be in the shit we're in now.

 

[rightwinger]

Purple[edit]
The Japanese code dubbed "Purple", which was used by the Foreign Office and only for diplomatic (but not for military messages), was broken by Army cryptographers in 1940. A 14-part message using this code, sent from Japan to its embassy in Washington, was decoded in Washington on 6 and 7 December. The message, which made plain the Japanese intention to break off diplomatic relations with the United States, was to be delivered by the Japanese ambassador at 1 p.m. Washington time (dawn in the Pacific). Colonel Rufus S. Bratton, then serving as an aide to Marshall, took this to mean that the Japanese intended to attack at dawn somewhere in the Pacific. Marshall ordered a warning message sent to American bases in the area, including Hawaii. Due to atmospheric transmission conditions the message was sent out via Western Union rather than the usual signal channels and was not received until the attack was already underway.[27]
Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Best not to cite government jester websites...

Have you bothered to read Churchill's comments on the matter?...well go to this cite and learn something.

PEARL HARBOR:
FDR KNEW
Churchill wrote in his Nobel Prize winning series on WWII that FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor. The following is from pages 602-603 of THE GRAND ALLIANCE, c1950. Churchill makes these points about his good friend and colleague FDR, accusing him of treason while knowing that the facts would eventually come out:

1. Hawaii's commanders did not get proper warning.
2. Churchill was not going to judge what FDR did at Pearl Harbor.
3. FDR and he were very afraid that the US could not come into the war unless Japan attacked the U.S.
4. Pearl Harbor was worth the price.
5. FDR "knew the full and immediate purpose" of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.
6. FDR welcomed the attack.
7. And this amazing statement: "Nor must we allow the account in detail of diplomatic interchanges to portray Japan as an injured innocent..." That is an admission, granted forced by the facts, that Japan WAS the injured innocent, maneuvered into firing the first shot, as Secretary of War Stimson put it. Cabinet Minister Sir Oliver Lyttelton, expressed the same point on June 20, 1944, to the American Chamber of Commerce: "Japan was provoked into attacking the Americans at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history ever to say that America was forced into the war. Everyone knows where American sympathies were. It is incorrect to say that America was ever truly neutral even before America came into the war on a fighting basis." - See PH VERDICT OF HISTORY, Prange, pp 39-40.

PEARL HARBOR: FDR KNEW

Yet it does not explain what they mean by provoking Japan to attack the US..Nor does it specify that FDR knew the time, date and place of the attack.

Historian and acclaimed Reagan biographer Craig Shirley, author of the just releasedDecember 1941, doesn't blame FDR for blowing it, but instead tells Whispers that it "does suggest that there were more pieces to the puzzle" that the administration missed. The 70th anniversary of the attack is next month.

.Via the link given...In fact it is very general in it's explanation, unless you buy the book.
The promotional article also state that he does not blame FDR for possibly missing signals of an attack , but you are outright saying FDR did know ,and thus calling him names to assert your disgust which is not made specific in the article available..

It is easy to pick out pieces of information after you know the end result and say......this piece fits and this one does not

In an era before computers, it was difficult to correlate millions of pieces of information and send them to the people who need it

 

[Moonglow]

Purple[edit]
The Japanese code dubbed "Purple", which was used by the Foreign Office and only for diplomatic (but not for military messages), was broken by Army cryptographers in 1940. A 14-part message using this code, sent from Japan to its embassy in Washington, was decoded in Washington on 6 and 7 December. The message, which made plain the Japanese intention to break off diplomatic relations with the United States, was to be delivered by the Japanese ambassador at 1 p.m. Washington time (dawn in the Pacific). Colonel Rufus S. Bratton, then serving as an aide to Marshall, took this to mean that the Japanese intended to attack at dawn somewhere in the Pacific. Marshall ordered a warning message sent to American bases in the area, including Hawaii. Due to atmospheric transmission conditions the message was sent out via Western Union rather than the usual signal channels and was not received until the attack was already underway.[27]
Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Best not to cite government jester websites...

Have you bothered to read Churchill's comments on the matter?...well go to this cite and learn something.

PEARL HARBOR:
FDR KNEW
Churchill wrote in his Nobel Prize winning series on WWII that FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor. The following is from pages 602-603 of THE GRAND ALLIANCE, c1950. Churchill makes these points about his good friend and colleague FDR, accusing him of treason while knowing that the facts would eventually come out:

1. Hawaii's commanders did not get proper warning.
2. Churchill was not going to judge what FDR did at Pearl Harbor.
3. FDR and he were very afraid that the US could not come into the war unless Japan attacked the U.S.
4. Pearl Harbor was worth the price.
5. FDR "knew the full and immediate purpose" of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.
6. FDR welcomed the attack.
7. And this amazing statement: "Nor must we allow the account in detail of diplomatic interchanges to portray Japan as an injured innocent..." That is an admission, granted forced by the facts, that Japan WAS the injured innocent, maneuvered into firing the first shot, as Secretary of War Stimson put it. Cabinet Minister Sir Oliver Lyttelton, expressed the same point on June 20, 1944, to the American Chamber of Commerce: "Japan was provoked into attacking the Americans at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history ever to say that America was forced into the war. Everyone knows where American sympathies were. It is incorrect to say that America was ever truly neutral even before America came into the war on a fighting basis." - See PH VERDICT OF HISTORY, Prange, pp 39-40.

PEARL HARBOR: FDR KNEW

Yet it does not explain what they mean by provoking Japan to attack the US..Nor does it specify that FDR knew the time, date and place of the attack.

Historian and acclaimed Reagan biographer Craig Shirley, author of the just releasedDecember 1941, doesn't blame FDR for blowing it, but instead tells Whispers that it "does suggest that there were more pieces to the puzzle" that the administration missed. The 70th anniversary of the attack is next month.

.Via the link given...In fact it is very general in it's explanation, unless you buy the book.
The promotional article also state that he does not blame FDR for possibly missing signals of an attack , but you are outright saying FDR did know ,and thus calling him names to assert your disgust which is not made specific in the article available..

It is easy to pick out pieces of information after you know the end result and say......this piece fits and this one does not

In an era before computers, it was difficult to correlate millions of pieces of information and send them to the people who need it

Hindsight is 20/20...I can remember years ago how transfer of communication was much slower in the 1960's than now, I can imagine it was slower in the later 1930's.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Statists never learn.

In this book, George Victor addresses the several questions regarding Pearl Harbor: did U.S. Intelligence know beforehand? Did Roosevelt know? If so, why weren’t commanders in Hawaii notified? It is a well-researched and documented volume, complete with hundreds of end-notes and references.

Twelve days before the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Roosevelt surprised his advisors by saying that war with Japan was about to begin. Secretary of War Stimson noted in his diary:

The question was what we should do. The question was how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.

Mr. Victor admits he is an admirer of Roosevelt. While he is clear that Roosevelt manipulated the country into war, he does not condemn him for it:The Pearl Harbor Myth:...Dr. George Victor Ph.DBest Price: $3.95Buy New $6.92

History has recorded many, many rulers’ manipulations of their people into war without their subordinates blowing the whistle. Presidents James Polk, Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, and Woodrow Wilson did it before [Roosevelt], and others have done it after him.

This is difficult for many to accept, especially the idea that honorable and upright military leaders would allow such a thing to occur. General George Marshall, in testimony to various tribunals after Pearl Harbor was clear, however:

He testified to a congressional committee that withholding vital information from commanders was routine practice.

Roosevelt had warnings of the coming attack. It was fortunate for Roosevelt that his political enemies did not know

…that [intelligence officers] had been reading the most confidential Japanese ciphers even before the attack, and that the Japanese war plans were no secret to American intelligence.

Despite the documented warnings received by administration intelligence (eventually turned over to various committees), the administration took the stand that no warning had come in. Further it seems clear that no warnings were sent to Pearl Harbor on the eve of the attack.

Victor goes into some background of the U.S. involvement in the war well before December 7. He outlines the aid to the allies in Europe. He goes into detail regarding attempts to get Germany to shoot first. When this failed, the U.S. changed its focus to Japan. These actions have been well-documented elsewhere – termination of trade treaties, embargoes of material and the like. The big blow was the oil embargo.

His military advisors were strongly against the embargo, rightly anticipating that this would lead to war with Japan. Yet Roosevelt went ahead with the embargo in the summer of 1941 – abruptly reversing his prior position. At the same time, he took other measures within days of the embargo decision: freezing Japan’s U.S. assets, breaking off diplomatic talks with Japan, and arming the Philippines.Wartime: Understanding...Paul FussellBest Price: $0.01Buy New $5.50

Something happened at this time to get Roosevelt to change so abruptly and go against his military advisors. Victor cites historian Waldo Heinrichs with a “unique idea.”

The Pearl Harbor Myth - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

the shills like rightwinger and jake and the other brainwashed trolls in denial tht are not paid that have come on here and stained your thread with shit,they of course wont read this book of documented evidence and facts.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

FDR is a well known liar,Stalin lover, and warmonger but statists still can't believe he would lie the nation into war.

...but they KNOW W did.

what is interesting and what our corrupt school system does not teach besides those facts you just laid out on FDR is that ALSO holds true for Eisenhower as well. Our corrupt schools left out facts that he was chums with Stalin as well.

That is not a fake doctored pic either obviously.

As 2 million German women were being gang raped on Stalin's orders, Eisenhower partied with 'Uncle Joe' - atop Lenin's tomb!
Who Else Liked Ike Stalin That s Who

 

[Moonglow]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

How much do they earn?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

FDR had a vague report that negotiations had broken down and an attack was immanent.....But where?
Pearl Harbor seemed like a remote target for a Japanese attack...a carrier attack of that magnitude had never been executed

The real question was Gen Douglas MacArthur who had 20 hour notice that Pearl Harbor had been attacked but was still caught with his planes on the ground. The Generals in command of Pearl Harbor lost their jobs, but they made MacArthur a hero

Wrong as usual.

considering how agent rightwinger STLL says the Rams are playing in st louis this year,what else do you expect? oh and I am not kidding either.


hey agent rightwinger,time to commit suicide because even your lover Jakey has even said I called it right on the Rams coming back.



time to cry in defeat as always since you have never ONCE been right on ANYTHING.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

How much do they earn?

I have never seen the money the government gives them so i dont know.

i would say ask THEM since they are the ones that know but since the government pays them to lie all the time,you would not get a straight honest answer from them.

rightwinger even today STILL says the Rams are not playing in LA. seriously,I am not kidding.He is the ONLY poster at this site who refuses to say they are playing in LA now,seriously I am not joking.

that is all the proof in the world that he LIES all the time when he knows he is wrong and is USMB'S resident troll with the logic -I am right,everybody else in the world is wrong. that cannot be disputed. sadly,he would KILL himself first before ever uttering the words -I was wrong.lol

 

[gipper]

Purple[edit]
The Japanese code dubbed "Purple", which was used by the Foreign Office and only for diplomatic (but not for military messages), was broken by Army cryptographers in 1940. A 14-part message using this code, sent from Japan to its embassy in Washington, was decoded in Washington on 6 and 7 December. The message, which made plain the Japanese intention to break off diplomatic relations with the United States, was to be delivered by the Japanese ambassador at 1 p.m. Washington time (dawn in the Pacific). Colonel Rufus S. Bratton, then serving as an aide to Marshall, took this to mean that the Japanese intended to attack at dawn somewhere in the Pacific. Marshall ordered a warning message sent to American bases in the area, including Hawaii. Due to atmospheric transmission conditions the message was sent out via Western Union rather than the usual signal channels and was not received until the attack was already underway.[27]
Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Best not to cite government jester websites...

Have you bothered to read Churchill's comments on the matter?...well go to this cite and learn something.

PEARL HARBOR:
FDR KNEW
Churchill wrote in his Nobel Prize winning series on WWII that FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor. The following is from pages 602-603 of THE GRAND ALLIANCE, c1950. Churchill makes these points about his good friend and colleague FDR, accusing him of treason while knowing that the facts would eventually come out:

1. Hawaii's commanders did not get proper warning.
2. Churchill was not going to judge what FDR did at Pearl Harbor.
3. FDR and he were very afraid that the US could not come into the war unless Japan attacked the U.S.
4. Pearl Harbor was worth the price.
5. FDR "knew the full and immediate purpose" of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.
6. FDR welcomed the attack.
7. And this amazing statement: "Nor must we allow the account in detail of diplomatic interchanges to portray Japan as an injured innocent..." That is an admission, granted forced by the facts, that Japan WAS the injured innocent, maneuvered into firing the first shot, as Secretary of War Stimson put it. Cabinet Minister Sir Oliver Lyttelton, expressed the same point on June 20, 1944, to the American Chamber of Commerce: "Japan was provoked into attacking the Americans at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history ever to say that America was forced into the war. Everyone knows where American sympathies were. It is incorrect to say that America was ever truly neutral even before America came into the war on a fighting basis." - See PH VERDICT OF HISTORY, Prange, pp 39-40.

PEARL HARBOR: FDR KNEW

Yet it does not explain what they mean by provoking Japan to attack the US..Nor does it specify that FDR knew the time, date and place of the attack.

Historian and acclaimed Reagan biographer Craig Shirley, author of the just releasedDecember 1941, doesn't blame FDR for blowing it, but instead tells Whispers that it "does suggest that there were more pieces to the puzzle" that the administration missed. The 70th anniversary of the attack is next month.

.Via the link given...In fact it is very general in it's explanation, unless you buy the book.
The promotional article also state that he does not blame FDR for possibly missing signals of an attack , but you are outright saying FDR did know ,and thus calling him names to assert your disgust which is not made specific in the article available..

It is easy to pick out pieces of information after you know the end result and say......this piece fits and this one does not

In an era before computers, it was difficult to correlate millions of pieces of information and send them to the people who need it

Hindsight is 20/20...I can remember years ago how transfer of communication was much slower in the 1960's than now, I can imagine it was slower in the later 1930's.

Apologists for lying murderous corrupt politicians makes me sick.

When will we all learn to NEVER trust a politician?

 

[gipper]

Any military planner worthy of the term, looking at the pre-Dec. 1941 map of the Pacific and familiar with the previous thirty years' history, would not have been 'surprised' that Japan did what it did.
That US military planners claim to have been surprised is, therefore, not believable. However, that does not clarify much in the way or any conspiracy theories. It may merely reflect upon competence.

They knew it was coming and helped it happen...

Knowledge of the plan was limited to 13 Roosevelt administration members and chief military officers, and 21 members of Naval Intelligence and related operations. Once it produced the intended result and the attack impended, the Pacific fleet’s modern naval vessels were sent to sea from Pearl Harbor, leaving seven antiquated World War One battleships as decoys. Meanwhile, the Japanese fleet was tracked with radio intercepts from its formation off the Kuril Islands on November 16, and its sailing for Hawaii on November 26; its course was cleared of all shipping with a Vacant Sea order on the 22nd; and Pearl Harbor naval patrols were ordered out of the area on the 25th. Intelligence of the impending attack was withheld from the officers (Admiral Kimmel and General Short) charged with defending Pearl Harbor, who were kept uninformed of the plan and intelligence of the impending attack, and scape-goated afterward. A coverup of the entire operation was maintained through eight official and Congressional investigations between 1941 and 1946, and down to Strom Thurmond’s inquiry in 1995.

Pearl Harbor Facts and Proof

When asserting such charges, real evidence is needed, like a copy of the orders or memos regarding the actions There are none in this blog review..There are no direct citations with visible evidence...Only what someone writing the book claims...In other words, you, the reader,, are just to assume what is said is the truth...

My post was not in reference to anything other than what was apparent at the time. Japan had the biggest navy in the world, by far the most aircraft carriers, an absolute dependence upon imported resources, a history of 'surprise' attacks, and a radical, out-of-control militarist, fascist, right wing government in charge.

From the actual documents I have read on the hearings by Congress on the attack, it does state that they knew there was going to be an attack, they did not know exactly the most important issue of time and place. The US had it's air craft carrier out of the harbor in the event of such an attack and also to do -patrol duty, yet one carrier can't cover much more than a radius of 2-300 miles from the ship...
The idea that the shipping lanes were abandoned is a strategy used when knowing your enemy has a superior force and thus air patrol was the most important way to operate strategically.The commander of Pearl had been alerted and later it was found that he did not stress the use of air patrol to it's furthest extent..

FDR made sure to get the carriers out of Pearl Harbor. The only ships in port that Sunday were WWI era battleships, Which FDR gladly sacrificed for his heinous cause.

 

[Moonglow]

Purple[edit]
The Japanese code dubbed "Purple", which was used by the Foreign Office and only for diplomatic (but not for military messages), was broken by Army cryptographers in 1940. A 14-part message using this code, sent from Japan to its embassy in Washington, was decoded in Washington on 6 and 7 December. The message, which made plain the Japanese intention to break off diplomatic relations with the United States, was to be delivered by the Japanese ambassador at 1 p.m. Washington time (dawn in the Pacific). Colonel Rufus S. Bratton, then serving as an aide to Marshall, took this to mean that the Japanese intended to attack at dawn somewhere in the Pacific. Marshall ordered a warning message sent to American bases in the area, including Hawaii. Due to atmospheric transmission conditions the message was sent out via Western Union rather than the usual signal channels and was not received until the attack was already underway.[27]
Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

Best not to cite government jester websites...

Have you bothered to read Churchill's comments on the matter?...well go to this cite and learn something.

PEARL HARBOR:
FDR KNEW
Churchill wrote in his Nobel Prize winning series on WWII that FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor. The following is from pages 602-603 of THE GRAND ALLIANCE, c1950. Churchill makes these points about his good friend and colleague FDR, accusing him of treason while knowing that the facts would eventually come out:

1. Hawaii's commanders did not get proper warning.
2. Churchill was not going to judge what FDR did at Pearl Harbor.
3. FDR and he were very afraid that the US could not come into the war unless Japan attacked the U.S.
4. Pearl Harbor was worth the price.
5. FDR "knew the full and immediate purpose" of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.
6. FDR welcomed the attack.
7. And this amazing statement: "Nor must we allow the account in detail of diplomatic interchanges to portray Japan as an injured innocent..." That is an admission, granted forced by the facts, that Japan WAS the injured innocent, maneuvered into firing the first shot, as Secretary of War Stimson put it. Cabinet Minister Sir Oliver Lyttelton, expressed the same point on June 20, 1944, to the American Chamber of Commerce: "Japan was provoked into attacking the Americans at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history ever to say that America was forced into the war. Everyone knows where American sympathies were. It is incorrect to say that America was ever truly neutral even before America came into the war on a fighting basis." - See PH VERDICT OF HISTORY, Prange, pp 39-40.

PEARL HARBOR: FDR KNEW

Yet it does not explain what they mean by provoking Japan to attack the US..Nor does it specify that FDR knew the time, date and place of the attack.

Historian and acclaimed Reagan biographer Craig Shirley, author of the just releasedDecember 1941, doesn't blame FDR for blowing it, but instead tells Whispers that it "does suggest that there were more pieces to the puzzle" that the administration missed. The 70th anniversary of the attack is next month.

.Via the link given...In fact it is very general in it's explanation, unless you buy the book.
The promotional article also state that he does not blame FDR for possibly missing signals of an attack , but you are outright saying FDR did know ,and thus calling him names to assert your disgust which is not made specific in the article available..

It is easy to pick out pieces of information after you know the end result and say......this piece fits and this one does not

In an era before computers, it was difficult to correlate millions of pieces of information and send them to the people who need it

Hindsight is 20/20...I can remember years ago how transfer of communication was much slower in the 1960's than now, I can imagine it was slower in the later 1930's.

Apologists for lying murderous corrupt politicians makes me sick.

When will we all learn to NEVER trust a politician?

I damn sure don't trust anarchist....

 

[Moonglow]

I see the statist idiots have stained the thread.

The truth is impossible for some to accept. They prefer lies.

no surprise since the two of them that came on and farted in your thread are two paid shills on the governments payroll. Jake is the loverboy of agent rightwinger.always having his head up his ass.

How much do they earn?

I have never seen the money the government gives them so i dont know.

i would say ask THEM since they are the ones that know but since the government pays them to lie all the time,you would not get a straight honest answer from them.

rightwinger even today STILL says the Rams are not playing in LA. seriously,I am not kidding.He is the ONLY poster at this site who refuses to say they are playing in LA now,seriously I am not joking.

that is all the proof in the world that he LIES all the time when he knows he is wrong and is USMB'S resident troll with the logic -I am right,everybody else in the world is wrong. that cannot be disputed. sadly,he would KILL himself first before ever uttering the words -I was wrong.lol

If you don't know how much they get, then you have no way of knowing if they get paid at all...

 

[MisterBeale]