Farm Subsidies?

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End all current farm subsidies?

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    Can anyone justify deforming market demand and spending your and my taxdollars to subsidize farmers- especially when it comes to paying them to not grow specific crops?

    All in favour of letting farmers decide for themselves what to plant based on market demand?

    I mean, if it were the dustbowl, I could see the argument for aid. But now it's just corporate welfare's cousin.
     
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    Wanna pay five bucks for a potato? End farm subsidies.

    Now, ethanol subsidies? Kill them all.
     
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    Nay. I think that only small, independent farms & farmers should be subsidized - something like the SBA, especially in the organic, sustainable farms and ranches. These small farms produce more per acre than monoculture, don't use pesticides and chemical fertilizers, have far fewer food safety issues and would hire local citizens as opposed to illeagals. Subsidies for big agra and non-existent farms gotta go, though. The only reason they still exist is so that farmers get screwed while wall street speculators can gamble with food prices.
     
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    We can import and resell potatoes much cheaper than $5.00 each. There is no basis to the claim that without my tax dollars subsidizing huge farming conglomerates, that food prices would skyrocket.
     
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    If that's what it costs, that what we're paying. All we're achieving is hiding the true cost of food by taking the money from people's income to pay part of the cost behind the scenes.

    Now, if there's a market for potatoes, more people will grow potatoes. Who knows, maybe people will take up urban agriculture to provide potatoes for the local market and make a few bucks.

    Believe it or not, the market, when properly regulated allowed to do its thing, can be really good at this kind of thing.
     
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    Cut them all.

    It is welfare for farmers.
     
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    Someone will buy an empty lot and grow potatoes to sell at the local farmers' market.

    When you prevent olig- and monopolies and pursue policies that encourage and incentivize competition and entrepreneurship, great things can happen.
     
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    You're right. And every American farm would go out of business.

    If farm subsidies were ended, American made produce prices would skyrocket. And every American farm would go out of business.
     
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    The point is that the costs of growing potatoes, or corn, or whatever are much higher than the prices we pay at the supermarket. Land to grow on costs money. Fertilizer costs money.

    The average 500-acre farm, with subsidies, makes about $30 dollars in net profit from each acre, each year.

    That's $15,000 dollars a year. There's not much wiggle room there.
     

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