Fact Checking The Debate-What A Surprise!

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    Below are links to various fact checking results from last night's debate.
    Not surprisingly, both Obama and Romney were loose with facts to the point of being dead wrong about some facts. This certainly shows exactly how weak our choices for president actually are. Here we have someone who has president for almost four years and another guy that has been running for president for almost 8 years, yet they are both clueless.

    FACT CHECK: Presidential Debate Missteps
    FACT CHECK: Presidential Debate Missteps - US News and World Report

    Presidential debate fact check: President Obama, Mitt Romney don't tell the whole truth
    Presidential debate fact check: President Obama, Mitt Romney don't tell the whole truth - NY Daily News

    Obama vs. Romney Presidential Debate Fact-Check: Who Lied?

    Obama vs. Romney Presidential Debate Fact-Check: Who Lied? - The Daily Beast

    The Obama-Romney debate fact-check: Who told the biggest whoppers?
    The Obama-Romney debate fact-check: Who told the biggest whoppers?

    FACT CHECK: How Obama's, Romney's statements stack up

    Read more: FACT CHECK: How Obama's, Romney's statements stack up - The Denver Post FACT CHECK: How Obama's, Romney's statements stack up - The Denver Post

    Factchecking the first presidential debate of 2012
    Factchecking the first presidential debate - The Washington Post

    Fact Check: Some Misleading Statements from Last Night’s Presidential Debate
    Fact Check: Some Misleading Statements from Last Night’s Presidential Debate | Fox News Insider

    Debate Fact Check: How Obama, Romney Statements Hold Up
    Debate Fact Check: How Obama, Romney Statements Hold Up
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    I tried to use more or less non-partisan resources plus Fox News and the HuffPost :)lol:).
     
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    See, this is why "fact checking" has such a poor reputation. Obama out and out lied in his response. He promises $4T in cuts. But this is not additional cuts. This is counting past cuts already agreed to. He might as well include cuts in Clinton's budget. It is a lie.
    Romney otoh did not lie. If the board is explicitly prohibited from rationing care, etc, how the hell are they supposed to control costs? Duh. It's a smoke screen. Of course they will ration care, no matter what they call it. That has been the MO for every similar organization, like NICE in England.
     
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    I admit I was suprised Romney went with the death panel meme, however I was even more suprised Obama just let him roll with it and didn't take the opportunity to slams him on it.
     
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    What?
     
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    It's getting almost as bad as the aftermath of the Green Bay vs. Seattle game! :lol:
     
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    He went with it because it's true. The only way to ration care is to figure out who gets it and who doesn't. This has been the theme of many of Obama's advisors, like Cass Sunstein and Emanuel's brother.
     
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    Romney DID lie...and the FACTS are public domain...

    IPAB, which was created by the Affordable Care Act. Here’s how IPAB works:

    • 15 experts including doctors and patient advocates would be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve on IPAB.

    • IPAB would recommend policies to Congress to help Medicare provide better care at lower costs. This could include ideas on coordinating care, getting rid of waste in the system, incentivizing best practices, and prioritizing primary care.

    • IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.

    • Congress then has the power to accept or reject these recommendations. If Congress rejects the recommendations, and Medicare spending exceeds specific targets, Congress must either enact policies that achieve equivalent savings or let the Secretary of Health and Human Services follow IPAB’s recommendations.

    The Facts About the Independent Payment Advisory Board
     

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