Facing the Truth

[IM2]

Definition of opinion
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

• We asked them for their opinions about the new stadium.

b : approval, esteem

• I have no great opinion of his work.

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

• a person of rigid opinions

b : a generally held view

• news programs that shape public opinion

3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert

• My doctor says that I need an operation, but I'm going to get a second opinion.

b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

• The article discusses the recent Supreme Court opinion.

Definition of fact
1 a : something that has actual existence

• space exploration is now a fact

b : an actual occurrence

• prove the fact of damage

2 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality

• These are the hard facts of the case.

3 : the quality of being actual : actuality

• a question of fact hinges on evidence

4 : a thing done

I post these 2 definitions for a reason. Most of the whites here argue based on their opinion of things. Not on fact. Blacks are arguing on proven, verifiable things that have actually existed real occurrences, are based in objective reality and are actual things that have been done,

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race
By Emma Gray and Jessica Samakow

“We talk a lot about race in this country a lot, but we don’t include you [in] the conversation… I’m interested in how you feel.”

That’s the open-ended question award-winning filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas poses to young white Americans in his (aptly named) new documentary: “White People.”

The content of the film is interesting, but only scratches the surface. (To read a smart critique of “White People,” go here.) But where the movie succeeds is in bringing up a basic truth that, unfortunately, many white people in this country are still terrified to face: We have to start talking about and interrogating our whiteness.

We are two white women. We are also self-described progressives and critical thinkers, who write professionally about the way sexuality, gender and race intersect with the world we live in. Yet we still recognize an internalized reticence to engage in conversations about race and racism. Neither of us can remember a clear moment in our young lives during which we realized we were white, and what that meant. When we’re pulled over by a cop, our biggest fear is that we might get an expensive speeding ticket. We have always seen faces that look like ours on TV and in movies. All of these things speak to the depth of our white privilege — and the fact that people of color certainly can’t say the same. We do not live in a “post-racial” world.

The same way men need to be forced to confront, interrogate and reckon with masculinity in order to address sexism, white people need to face their whiteness. And it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race. People of color don’t need to be taught that racism exists — they live it every day. It shouldn’t (and can’t) be on their shoulders to enlighten the rest of us. We have to do that for ourselves.

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race | HuffPost

 

[fncceo]

I find my whiteness every day. Usually when shaving.

 

[toobfreak]

Definition of opinion
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

• We asked them for their opinions about the new stadium.

b : approval, esteem

• I have no great opinion of his work.

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

• a person of rigid opinions

b : a generally held view

• news programs that shape public opinion

3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert

• My doctor says that I need an operation, but I'm going to get a second opinion.

b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

• The article discusses the recent Supreme Court opinion.

Definition of fact
1 a : something that has actual existence

• space exploration is now a fact

b : an actual occurrence

• prove the fact of damage

2 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality

• These are the hard facts of the case.

3 : the quality of being actual : actuality

• a question of fact hinges on evidence

4 : a thing done

I post these 2 definitions for a reason. Most of the whites here argue based on their opinion of things. Not on fact. Blacks are arguing on proven, verifiable things that have actually existed real occurrences, are based in objective reality and are actual things that have been done,

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race
By Emma Gray and Jessica Samakow

“We talk a lot about race in this country a lot, but we don’t include you [in] the conversation… I’m interested in how you feel.”

That’s the open-ended question award-winning filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas poses to young white Americans in his (aptly named) new documentary: “White People.”

The content of the film is interesting, but only scratches the surface. (To read a smart critique of “White People,” go here.) But where the movie succeeds is in bringing up a basic truth that, unfortunately, many white people in this country are still terrified to face: We have to start talking about and interrogating our whiteness.

We are two white women. We are also self-described progressives and critical thinkers, who write professionally about the way sexuality, gender and race intersect with the world we live in. Yet we still recognize an internalized reticence to engage in conversations about race and racism. Neither of us can remember a clear moment in our young lives during which we realized we were white, and what that meant. When we’re pulled over by a cop, our biggest fear is that we might get an expensive speeding ticket. We have always seen faces that look like ours on TV and in movies. All of these things speak to the depth of our white privilege — and the fact that people of color certainly can’t say the same. We do not live in a “post-racial” world.

The same way men need to be forced to confront, interrogate and reckon with masculinity in order to address sexism, white people need to face their whiteness. And it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race. People of color don’t need to be taught that racism exists — they live it every day. It shouldn’t (and can’t) be on their shoulders to enlighten the rest of us. We have to do that for ourselves.

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race | HuffPost

TL; DR

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Yawn...yet another race baiting thread...started by a racist

 

[Rambunctious]

Holy cow....this OP has serious issues....

 

[deannalw]

Beer burp

 

[fncceo]

Beer burp

That's very white of you.

 

[MarathonMike]

Should Jews still hate Egyptians for making them build the pyramids? They would have a factual basis for their hatred.

 

[fncceo]

Should Jews still hate Egyptians for making them build the pyramids?

We're over that ... still not happy about the Yom Kippur War.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Does the whining never end?

Sorry you're not very successful.
Sorry you're mad.
Sorry I'm white.

Can you move on already?

 

[IM2]

The usual crying and whining from the same whites.

 

[deannalw]

The usual crying and whining from the same whites.

Yeah, but nobody can hear them over the desperate yodeling out of fellas like you.

 

[fncceo]

it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race.

And yet, you seem compelled to do so on every occasion.

I'd like to thank you for going above and beyond the call of duty on a regular basis to help me get over my issues.

Your trophy is in the mail.

 

[Hiryuu]

The usual crying and whining from the same whites.

They have that white privilege and were born with it according to you. They cannot escape it any more than you can escape the fact you are black, so there's no use complaining about it.

 

[dave p]

Definition of opinion
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

• We asked them for their opinions about the new stadium.

b : approval, esteem

• I have no great opinion of his work.

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

• a person of rigid opinions

b : a generally held view

• news programs that shape public opinion

3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert

• My doctor says that I need an operation, but I'm going to get a second opinion.

b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

• The article discusses the recent Supreme Court opinion.

Definition of fact
1 a : something that has actual existence

• space exploration is now a fact

b : an actual occurrence

• prove the fact of damage

2 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality

• These are the hard facts of the case.

3 : the quality of being actual : actuality

• a question of fact hinges on evidence

4 : a thing done

I post these 2 definitions for a reason. Most of the whites here argue based on their opinion of things. Not on fact. Blacks are arguing on proven, verifiable things that have actually existed real occurrences, are based in objective reality and are actual things that have been done,

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race
By Emma Gray and Jessica Samakow

“We talk a lot about race in this country a lot, but we don’t include you [in] the conversation… I’m interested in how you feel.”

That’s the open-ended question award-winning filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas poses to young white Americans in his (aptly named) new documentary: “White People.”

The content of the film is interesting, but only scratches the surface. (To read a smart critique of “White People,” go here.) But where the movie succeeds is in bringing up a basic truth that, unfortunately, many white people in this country are still terrified to face: We have to start talking about and interrogating our whiteness.

We are two white women. We are also self-described progressives and critical thinkers, who write professionally about the way sexuality, gender and race intersect with the world we live in. Yet we still recognize an internalized reticence to engage in conversations about race and racism. Neither of us can remember a clear moment in our young lives during which we realized we were white, and what that meant. When we’re pulled over by a cop, our biggest fear is that we might get an expensive speeding ticket. We have always seen faces that look like ours on TV and in movies. All of these things speak to the depth of our white privilege — and the fact that people of color certainly can’t say the same. We do not live in a “post-racial” world.

The same way men need to be forced to confront, interrogate and reckon with masculinity in order to address sexism, white people need to face their whiteness. And it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race. People of color don’t need to be taught that racism exists — they live it every day. It shouldn’t (and can’t) be on their shoulders to enlighten the rest of us. We have to do that for ourselves.

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race | HuffPost

Thank you for another race baiting thread to help you feel good about why you think you are a victim.

 

[WillowTree]

Definition of opinion
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

• We asked them for their opinions about the new stadium.

b : approval, esteem

• I have no great opinion of his work.

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

• a person of rigid opinions

b : a generally held view

• news programs that shape public opinion

3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert

• My doctor says that I need an operation, but I'm going to get a second opinion.

b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

• The article discusses the recent Supreme Court opinion.

Definition of fact
1 a : something that has actual existence

• space exploration is now a fact

b : an actual occurrence

• prove the fact of damage

2 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality

• These are the hard facts of the case.

3 : the quality of being actual : actuality

• a question of fact hinges on evidence

4 : a thing done

I post these 2 definitions for a reason. Most of the whites here argue based on their opinion of things. Not on fact. Blacks are arguing on proven, verifiable things that have actually existed real occurrences, are based in objective reality and are actual things that have been done,

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race
By Emma Gray and Jessica Samakow

“We talk a lot about race in this country a lot, but we don’t include you [in] the conversation… I’m interested in how you feel.”

That’s the open-ended question award-winning filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas poses to young white Americans in his (aptly named) new documentary: “White People.”

The content of the film is interesting, but only scratches the surface. (To read a smart critique of “White People,” go here.) But where the movie succeeds is in bringing up a basic truth that, unfortunately, many white people in this country are still terrified to face: We have to start talking about and interrogating our whiteness.

We are two white women. We are also self-described progressives and critical thinkers, who write professionally about the way sexuality, gender and race intersect with the world we live in. Yet we still recognize an internalized reticence to engage in conversations about race and racism. Neither of us can remember a clear moment in our young lives during which we realized we were white, and what that meant. When we’re pulled over by a cop, our biggest fear is that we might get an expensive speeding ticket. We have always seen faces that look like ours on TV and in movies. All of these things speak to the depth of our white privilege — and the fact that people of color certainly can’t say the same. We do not live in a “post-racial” world.

The same way men need to be forced to confront, interrogate and reckon with masculinity in order to address sexism, white people need to face their whiteness. And it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race. People of color don’t need to be taught that racism exists — they live it every day. It shouldn’t (and can’t) be on their shoulders to enlighten the rest of us. We have to do that for ourselves.

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race | HuffPost

Thank you for another race baiting thread to help you feel good about why you think you are a victim.

.

 

[Tilly]

Still no ‘reparations’, huh?

 

[WillowTree]

Well. After I hug my white self I shall go interrogate me, in the bedroom, maybe a little water boarding just for being born white and not thinking about it every single waking second!

 

[MisterBeale]

Definition of opinion
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

• We asked them for their opinions about the new stadium.

b : approval, esteem

• I have no great opinion of his work.

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

• a person of rigid opinions

b : a generally held view

• news programs that shape public opinion

3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert

• My doctor says that I need an operation, but I'm going to get a second opinion.

b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

• The article discusses the recent Supreme Court opinion.

Definition of fact
1 a : something that has actual existence

• space exploration is now a fact

b : an actual occurrence

• prove the fact of damage

2 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality

• These are the hard facts of the case.

3 : the quality of being actual : actuality

• a question of fact hinges on evidence

4 : a thing done

I post these 2 definitions for a reason. Most of the whites here argue based on their opinion of things. Not on fact. Blacks are arguing on proven, verifiable things that have actually existed real occurrences, are based in objective reality and are actual things that have been done,

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race
By Emma Gray and Jessica Samakow

“We talk a lot about race in this country a lot, but we don’t include you [in] the conversation… I’m interested in how you feel.”

That’s the open-ended question award-winning filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas poses to young white Americans in his (aptly named) new documentary: “White People.”

The content of the film is interesting, but only scratches the surface. (To read a smart critique of “White People,” go here.) But where the movie succeeds is in bringing up a basic truth that, unfortunately, many white people in this country are still terrified to face: We have to start talking about and interrogating our whiteness.

We are two white women. We are also self-described progressives and critical thinkers, who write professionally about the way sexuality, gender and race intersect with the world we live in. Yet we still recognize an internalized reticence to engage in conversations about race and racism. Neither of us can remember a clear moment in our young lives during which we realized we were white, and what that meant. When we’re pulled over by a cop, our biggest fear is that we might get an expensive speeding ticket. We have always seen faces that look like ours on TV and in movies. All of these things speak to the depth of our white privilege — and the fact that people of color certainly can’t say the same. We do not live in a “post-racial” world.

The same way men need to be forced to confront, interrogate and reckon with masculinity in order to address sexism, white people need to face their whiteness. And it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race. People of color don’t need to be taught that racism exists — they live it every day. It shouldn’t (and can’t) be on their shoulders to enlighten the rest of us. We have to do that for ourselves.

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race | HuffPost

Thanks for the nice read.

I think you have reminded us all enough already, don't you think?

I read this article today. . . your thoughts?

It's a long read.

I'm not sure you are up for it.

The Fantasy of Black Nationalism
Whatever the 1960's may go down in history for, the resurgence of "black nationalism" will surely be high on, if…

Theodore Draper / Sept. 1, 1969
The Fantasy of Black Nationalism - Commentary Magazine
". . .This is not the place to try to settle this issue, even if it were within my capabilities. What strikes me most of all, however, is the many-sided specificity of the American Negro problem. It breaks out of one conceptual compartment after another and yet defies a synthesis of all of them. The Negro group is a “minority”—but it is unlike all other minority groups. It is a “class” for the vast majority of its members—but it extends beyond the class line. It has some likeness to a “caste”—but the basis of this caste—color—strikingly differentiates it from the classical Indian caste system. The only thing to do with such a phenomenon is to see it for itself and not to make it something else. American history, especially the appallingly incompatible heritage of slavery and democracy, the distribution of population, the ever more interdependent and interlocking economy, are among the circumstances which have molded the American Negro problem in ways that are both like and unlike any other. The colonial or national metaphor may be mistaken, but it evokes enough of the reality to be persuasive to those who are desperately looking for a quick answer. If fantasy is a substitute for reality, then the fantasy of black nationalism should help us to understand better the reality for which it is a substitute.

The cost of misunderstanding has become catastrophic. That black nationalism may not be the answer does not mean the present system can continue in the same old way. It must adapt itself to the new conditions brought about by the failure to wipe out the old ghettos which, instead, have spawned more and greater ghettos. The black rural enclaves and urban ghettos cannot create a new nation, but they can attempt to form a new type of “local political community,” as Professor Kennan has suggested. What it is going to be can only be dimly perceived at present. But of one thing we may be sure. As long as America permits black enclaves and ghettos, it cannot deny them representation of their own choosing—and remain true to itself or even avoid a conflagration. The democratic process itself must bring about far-reaching change in the relations of blacks and whites. Only political double bookkeeping and the most outrageous inequities prevented such change earlier. The critical problem at this stage is whether the new political communities, whatever they may be, will relate more or less realistically to the rest of the country or whether they will be infected with the nationalist fantasy and encourage a destructive—and self-destructive—separatism from the rest of the country. Once the fantasy sets in, no arrangement, however well-meaning, is workable. Whatever the road ahead, it can scarcely fail to be a hard one, full of bumps and sharp turns, threatening to many existing vested interests. But if the democratic road is blocked, the nationalist fantasy will loom larger and larger, even if it can destroy far more than it can create. There has been a white fantasy to get rid of blacks, and a black fantasy to get rid of whites. After more than two centuries, it is high time for both whites and blacks to get rid of their fantasies instead of each other."

 

[IM2]

Definition of opinion
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

• We asked them for their opinions about the new stadium.

b : approval, esteem

• I have no great opinion of his work.

2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

• a person of rigid opinions

b : a generally held view

• news programs that shape public opinion

3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert

• My doctor says that I need an operation, but I'm going to get a second opinion.

b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

• The article discusses the recent Supreme Court opinion.

Definition of fact
1 a : something that has actual existence

• space exploration is now a fact

b : an actual occurrence

• prove the fact of damage

2 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality

• These are the hard facts of the case.

3 : the quality of being actual : actuality

• a question of fact hinges on evidence

4 : a thing done

I post these 2 definitions for a reason. Most of the whites here argue based on their opinion of things. Not on fact. Blacks are arguing on proven, verifiable things that have actually existed real occurrences, are based in objective reality and are actual things that have been done,

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race
By Emma Gray and Jessica Samakow

“We talk a lot about race in this country a lot, but we don’t include you [in] the conversation… I’m interested in how you feel.”

That’s the open-ended question award-winning filmmaker Jose Antonio Vargas poses to young white Americans in his (aptly named) new documentary: “White People.”

The content of the film is interesting, but only scratches the surface. (To read a smart critique of “White People,” go here.) But where the movie succeeds is in bringing up a basic truth that, unfortunately, many white people in this country are still terrified to face: We have to start talking about and interrogating our whiteness.

We are two white women. We are also self-described progressives and critical thinkers, who write professionally about the way sexuality, gender and race intersect with the world we live in. Yet we still recognize an internalized reticence to engage in conversations about race and racism. Neither of us can remember a clear moment in our young lives during which we realized we were white, and what that meant. When we’re pulled over by a cop, our biggest fear is that we might get an expensive speeding ticket. We have always seen faces that look like ours on TV and in movies. All of these things speak to the depth of our white privilege — and the fact that people of color certainly can’t say the same. We do not live in a “post-racial” world.

The same way men need to be forced to confront, interrogate and reckon with masculinity in order to address sexism, white people need to face their whiteness. And it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about race. People of color don’t need to be taught that racism exists — they live it every day. It shouldn’t (and can’t) be on their shoulders to enlighten the rest of us. We have to do that for ourselves.

11 Things White People Need To Realize About Race | HuffPost

Thanks for the nice read.

I think you have reminded us all enough already, don't you think?

I read this article today. . . your thoughts?

It's a long read.

I'm not sure you are up for it.

The Fantasy of Black Nationalism
Whatever the 1960's may go down in history for, the resurgence of "black nationalism" will surely be high on, if…

Theodore Draper / Sept. 1, 1969
The Fantasy of Black Nationalism - Commentary Magazine
". . .This is not the place to try to settle this issue, even if it were within my capabilities. What strikes me most of all, however, is the many-sided specificity of the American Negro problem. It breaks out of one conceptual compartment after another and yet defies a synthesis of all of them. The Negro group is a “minority”—but it is unlike all other minority groups. It is a “class” for the vast majority of its members—but it extends beyond the class line. It has some likeness to a “caste”—but the basis of this caste—color—strikingly differentiates it from the classical Indian caste system. The only thing to do with such a phenomenon is to see it for itself and not to make it something else. American history, especially the appallingly incompatible heritage of slavery and democracy, the distribution of population, the ever more interdependent and interlocking economy, are among the circumstances which have molded the American Negro problem in ways that are both like and unlike any other. The colonial or national metaphor may be mistaken, but it evokes enough of the reality to be persuasive to those who are desperately looking for a quick answer. If fantasy is a substitute for reality, then the fantasy of black nationalism should help us to understand better the reality for which it is a substitute.

The cost of misunderstanding has become catastrophic. That black nationalism may not be the answer does not mean the present system can continue in the same old way. It must adapt itself to the new conditions brought about by the failure to wipe out the old ghettos which, instead, have spawned more and greater ghettos. The black rural enclaves and urban ghettos cannot create a new nation, but they can attempt to form a new type of “local political community,” as Professor Kennan has suggested. What it is going to be can only be dimly perceived at present. But of one thing we may be sure. As long as America permits black enclaves and ghettos, it cannot deny them representation of their own choosing—and remain true to itself or even avoid a conflagration. The democratic process itself must bring about far-reaching change in the relations of blacks and whites. Only political double bookkeeping and the most outrageous inequities prevented such change earlier. The critical problem at this stage is whether the new political communities, whatever they may be, will relate more or less realistically to the rest of the country or whether they will be infected with the nationalist fantasy and encourage a destructive—and self-destructive—separatism from the rest of the country. Once the fantasy sets in, no arrangement, however well-meaning, is workable. Whatever the road ahead, it can scarcely fail to be a hard one, full of bumps and sharp turns, threatening to many existing vested interests. But if the democratic road is blocked, the nationalist fantasy will loom larger and larger, even if it can destroy far more than it can create. There has been a white fantasy to get rid of blacks, and a black fantasy to get rid of whites. After more than two centuries, it is high time for both whites and blacks to get rid of their fantasies instead of each other."

This is the race and racism section. As long as whites continually post threads abut blacks I will continue reminding whites of their continuing racism. I am not a black nationalist so your post has nothing to do with the OP.. So read the link in the OP and learn something. And the next time you posting use a white writer whose family didn't change it's name from Dubinsky to Draper because they knew it was a more acceptable white name.