Alpha1
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Alpha1, your logic is scarey. You sound like a disciple of VP DICK. Basically you are saying that we are better than they are so it is okay for us to torture them. On one hand you claim moral values and on the other you claim those values only pertain to "us."
I believe the correct term for a person like you is Hypocrite. Is that correct?
Well Jim, I don't get the logic you used to arrive at the conclusions you've come to....
"Alpha1, your logic is scarey. You sound like a disciple of VP DICK. Basically you are saying that we are better than they are so it is okay for us to torture them. On one hand you claim moral values and on the other you claim those values only pertain to "us."
No where did I claim it was okay for us to torture them....and generally, we do claim those 'moral values' pertain to us....
Thats not to deny that shit happens, and US troops can be brutal at times, that too is reality....but one hour does not make a day nor one day a month...
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Fallacy #1...Torture doesn't work...
"I had learned what we all learned over there," McCain said. "Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."
That McCain broke under torture doesn't make him any less of an American hero. But it does prove he's wrong to claim that harsh interrogation techniques simply don't work.
So torture can in some cases be effective...that doesn't make it the right thing to do....that doesn't mean I endorse it...it only means I believe the reality of it...
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Fallacy # 2.....If we treat the enemy captives real nice...they in turn will treat US captives real nice....
My replay: "That would be just peachy keen if it were true."
Why do I say that?...because it happens to be reality....and I further said, "especially with THIS enemy"
If you fail to admit that THIS enemy is barbaric in its treatment of captives, then you must live under a rock with your head up your you know what.
How we treat them in captivity will have little to no affect on how they treat their captives....thats the sad truth of it...
This is not to say that their are no civilized enemys in the world, but you have to understand that war is killing, the ultimate act
McCain said"
Weve sent a message to the world that the United States is not like the terrorists, McCain said earlier as he sat next to Bush in the Oval Office. We have no grief for them, but what we are is a nation that upholds values and standards of behavior and treatment of all people, no matter how evil or bad they are. And I think this will help us enormously in winning the war for the hearts and minds of people throughout the world in the war on terror.
John McCain...
And my comment was:
"Now this is a very valid reason...."
Is this hard to understand? The main result of us being humane is how the rest of the civilized world views us....