Experts Say: Torture Yields Little Reliable Information.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20071019/sc_livescience/torturehasalonghistoryofnotworking


    Another example of G.Ws' hypocrisy. This is a man who claims to have "convictions" in his religious beliefs yet fails to connect the fact that those individuals that are involved in Jihad do also. To the obvious extremes of suicide bombing for their beliefs. What the hell is torture going to accomplish besides spreading more disdain and distrust toward American soldiers and citizens? In fact, it's been proven that since our illegial invasion of Iraq, terrorist have found it easier to recruit.
     
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    Please cite how our invasion of Iran was illegal?

    I wont' wait, because it's rhetoric and has no basis in fact.

    Personally, I don't care if they get reliable information when they torture those pigs. I don't see our limited use of coercion as one of the bigger issues of the day. We have laws protecting our people from it, who cares about terrorists?

    Not me.
     
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    yea.. just like there was a time when Germans asked who cared about a bunch of fucking jews, right?
     
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    Hardly. They weren't trying to get information from the Jews, nor were they trying to prevent the Jews from attacking and killing their women and children.

    Also, the Jews were citizens, and should have been protected by their government. Thus they were illegally incarcerated and oppressed.

    Big difference between gathering up families and killing them, and questioning prisoners of war who are foreigners suspected of plotting to kill innocents. It's a shame you can't see that, but I've no doubt you can't. It's because you don't believe in innocents. You think everyone is equally horrible, and if terrorists are bad, then little children are, too. Conversely, you think if children should be nurtured and protected, so should the people who want to violate and kill them.

    More power to you. You're lucky you live in a country where I can't trot over to your house in the middle of the night, drag you out of bed, dig a ditch and drop you into it.

    But you don't, so you can post all the pro-terrorist drivel you like, without fear of annihilation.
     
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    no, no.. They were just concerned with jews taking over their nations wealth, opportunity, and resources. of COURSE we don't see anything like that in America today!

    But, thankfully, your christian testimony is like a clarion call to those looking to know what that whole forgiveness thing is about... tell me, Who would Jesus torture, allie? Who, exactly, does the dogma on your sleeve say is ok to disregard as humans? I don't think they are canaanites so you might have to take a minute to answer that.


    Half the fucking people at guananamo bay were merely picked up and tossed in jail. "enemy combatant" is a pretty broad fucking category, isnt it?

    It's not so different when you want to ignore the Geneva Convention for the sake of feeling OK about torture, eh? What else can you rationalize for the sake of nationalism? WATER BOARDING? I hear jesus was a big fan of that kind of shit.


    It's a shame that your concept of "innocent" depends on where YOU happen to be standing.

    Indeed, YOU too are lucky that you can hide among the status quo instead of facing the retribution of your selective set of standards.
     
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    I think you mean Iraq. Your freudian slip is showing.

    Pigs? So you want us to be no better than the "bad guys", huh?

    Cool... :clap2:
     
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    We are infinitely better than the bad guys. It shows how deluded you are that you don't see it.
     
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    Jesus wouldn't torture anybody. But his testimony was for individuals, not governments. He told people to support their government. He did nothing to challenge the government.

    Which POWs at Gitmo were just picked in and thrown in? Please show numbers and names. I'm fairly certain it isn't half.

    And I don't care what the Nazi MOTIVE was for detaining and killing the Jews. The point is, the action was illegal because as citizens, those people should have been protected. How you can compare that event with the detaining of actual prisoners of war is beyond me. It's pretty much the difference between a free society and a dictatorship and you don't get it. Most libs don't. Which is scary, because for all their carping about freedoms, they provide dictatorships and despots all the ammo they need to wipe us out.
     
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    Yea Jillian!

    Just like the MASTER RACE was SUPERIOR too!


    Oh, the irony of her own words... Again, rich if it weren't so sad.
     
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    ohhhh OK.. so he didn't have a problem, exactly, with blaming unto Ceasar that which Ceasar is allowed to do, eh? GOTCHA. So, then Nazi Christians were STILL GOOD CHRISTIANS TOO! Shwewwww... I thought you might have been facing a crack in your own dogma!

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    So, NOW you are in the business of declaring the respoonsibilities for foreign governments now? yea... THATS probably not filtered through your ethnocentrism... nope. CLEARLY the hisotry of governments show a distinct pattern of being concerned over the welfare of the common man! I daresay, we SURE DONT see examples where a section of the population is marginalized into not counting the same as the SUPERIOR crowd, eh? The NAZI final solution wasnt any more ILLEGAL in Germany than slavery was in the US. In case you didn't remember, knuckle lips, saving the jewes wasn't why we entered WW2 in the first place.. So, spare me the lecture on the legality of torture in a culture that WANTS SO BAD to justify it's own behaviour.


    I'm sure most intelligent things ARE beyond you, Allie..

    :thup:
     

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