"EXPELLED": Jewish Intellectuals Challenge Tyranny of Darwinism

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    Christopher A. Ferrara
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    The Problems with Evolutionary Cosmology

    CF: Let’s talk about evolutionary cosmology. In the book you talk about how at first the Big Bang was greeted with great enthusiasm by the scientific community, until they figured out—just a moment!—this means the universe began, which suggests causation for the universe. What happened with that?

    DB: They got rid of that real quick. God forbid there should be a beginning to the universe as Genesis might suggest…. You know, the first generation of cosmologists who looked at this sort of said: My God, we’ve seen this story before in Bible class when we were six. How very odd that we should be seeing it all over again.

    Of course, the smarter cosmologists figured that’s just not going to do. Where would we cosmologists be if we had to cede authority to someone else?... So they immediately enlisted the philosophers, and told them: “We’ve got a job for you philosophers…. Let’s show how a universe finite in temporal extent did not really have a beginning.” At least two dozen philosophers who have been working just on that say it’s not a particularly challenging Jesuitical problem for anybody who has a minimum degree of mathematics, because it’s always possible to say: beginning, beginning, what does that mean? Is this space open? Is this space closed? Maybe there’s a finite and temporal extent as far as we can see, but if we get into it, it converges, and the convergences—all sorts of elaborate and logical postures and hypotheses are offered. And by now the subject is so thickly covered in a cloud of confusion that it resembles me during allergy season.​


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    The Big Bang and Darwinism are two different topics. If there's a "Jesuitical problem" going on, it's because the creationists/IDers keep trying to confuse the issue.
     
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    What?
     
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    What Two Thumbs said: What?

    These men are perfectly aware of the fact that the Big Bang Theory and evolutionary theory, in and of themselves, are two different things. They're talking about the general application of the evolutionary paradigm. LOL!

    So goes the stupidity of evolutionists who don't even grasp the broader implications of their own theory.
     
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    Just because you say there's a broader implication, doesn't make it so. Most scientists don't apply the paradigm in the way they do, so OP's opinion is hardly authoritative.
     
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    Because I say so?

    Hardly authoritative?

    Cosmology is . . .

    1. The scientific study of the origin, evolution, and structure of the universe.
    2. A specific theory or model of the origin and evolution of the universe.

    Ferrara and Berlinski are not talking in generalities; they're talking about a specific paradigm in this instance. Today, the majority of scientists are materialists, atheists, necessarily holding to a metaphysical naturalism. That means they most certainly do hold to an evolutionary cosmological paradigm sans any design insofar as cosmological or biological origins are concerned. They specifically named people like Dawkins and Hawking.

    I'm sorry, but you're not making any sense here, konradv.
     
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    So now evolutionary theory encompasses the Big Bang theory and abiogenesis?

    From the Biology classroom to the physics and astrology classroom!

    You are succeeding where Einstein failed. Soon, evolution will be the unifying "theory of everything!"

    Or, this is just another instance that displays that you don't know what in the hell you are talking about.

    BTW, thanks for tipping your creationism hand.

    It's always good to know the CV of the Scientists you cite.

    We know that Stein is not a scientist and had demonstrated just how dishonest he is about the issue of evolution in "Expelled". I am not a fan of Dawkins, but his edit job on that interview was virtually slanderous.

    Let's see. Berlinski...

    Shocking! He works for the Discovery Institute!

    http://www.discovery.org/p/51

    His PhD is also in Philosophy, though he did do some post-doc work in molecular biology and mathematics.

    Wait a minute! Are you Berlinski?

    Schroeder is a physicist who has devoted his career to trying to support the "young Earth" theory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Schroeder
     
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    And that pertains to Darwin because......................?
     
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