Executive Orders and Treaties, a question.

[bendog]

Can President Trump, or any POTUS terminate a Treaty vetted by the Senate (Art. II, Sec 2, Clause 3) without the advice and consent of the Senate?

I don't know if anyone seriously tried to respond but ...
Article XV

1. This Treaty shall be of unlimited duration.

2. Each Party shall, in exercising its national sovereignty, have the right to withdraw from this Treaty if it decides that extraordinary events related to the subject matter of this Treaty have jeopardized its supreme interests. It shall give notice of its decision to withdraw to the other Party six months prior to withdrawal from this Treaty. Such notice shall include a statement of the extraordinary events the notifying Party regards as having jeopardized its supreme interests.

Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty)

 

[Wry Catcher]

First we need to establish a diplomatic corp, not led by a neocon as their Sect. of State. Next we need to appoint Ambassadors based on their knowledge and experience of the nation where they will serve. It also helps if the new Ambassador understands their culture.

Two years in, so we can't expect Trump has any intention of using diplomacy as a tool to quell the world's troubles. In fact, the truth be told he inflames discontent.

I want him to quell the troubles here first, and I become less particular about how he does it with each passing day.

With each passing day, trump and trump&co. exacerbates our troubles. That you find that funny will be expected; reality bites.

What I find is you being silly as usual.

Idiot-gram, ad hominem variety. No one honestly believes that Trump has spoken or tweeted efforts to reunite the country. He has an enemies list longer than Nixon's and Agnew's combined.

Who in their right mind would want to unite with the Democrats? They are essentially a foreign political party. The best choice scenario would see them removed from all influence.

I see, you want a single party and out law all other points of few. Is that what you enjoy there in Moscow? Or are you in Beijing?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I want him to quell the troubles here first, and I become less particular about how he does it with each passing day.

With each passing day, trump and trump&co. exacerbates our troubles. That you find that funny will be expected; reality bites.

What I find is you being silly as usual.

Idiot-gram, ad hominem variety. No one honestly believes that Trump has spoken or tweeted efforts to reunite the country. He has an enemies list longer than Nixon's and Agnew's combined.

Who in their right mind would want to unite with the Democrats? They are essentially a foreign political party. The best choice scenario would see them removed from all influence.

I see, you want a single party and out law all other points of few. Is that what you enjoy there in Moscow? Or are you in Beijing?

There are 35 political parties currently functioning in the United States. The Democrats are not a necessity.

 

[Crepitus]

To give an honest answer to this question you must ask yourself if you would have the same answer if President Obama were still in office instead of tRump.

I answered "no". You people are too eager to concentrate power in one of three supposedly equal offices.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

First we need to establish a diplomatic corp, not led by a neocon as their Sect. of State. Next we need to appoint Ambassadors based on their knowledge and experience of the nation where they will serve. It also helps if the new Ambassador understands their culture.

Two years in, so we can't expect Trump has any intention of using diplomacy as a tool to quell the world's troubles. In fact, the truth be told he inflames discontent.

Tell the Senate.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Can President Trump, or any POTUS terminate a Treaty vetted by the Senate (Art. II, Sec 2, Clause 3) without the advice and consent of the Senate?

I don't know if anyone seriously tried to respond but ...
Article XV

1. This Treaty shall be of unlimited duration.

2. Each Party shall, in exercising its national sovereignty, have the right to withdraw from this Treaty if it decides that extraordinary events related to the subject matter of this Treaty have jeopardized its supreme interests. It shall give notice of its decision to withdraw to the other Party six months prior to withdrawal from this Treaty. Such notice shall include a statement of the extraordinary events the notifying Party regards as having jeopardized its supreme interests.

Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty)

And, based on the link I provided, Trump would have the exclusive power to stop enforcing such a treaty, without the consent of the Senate.

Now, if Trump wants to replace that treaty with a new one, he needs the consent of the Senate.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Can President Trump, or any POTUS terminate a Treaty vetted by the Senate (Art. II, Sec 2, Clause 3) without the advice and consent of the Senate?

I don't know if anyone seriously tried to respond but ...
Article XV

1. This Treaty shall be of unlimited duration.

2. Each Party shall, in exercising its national sovereignty, have the right to withdraw from this Treaty if it decides that extraordinary events related to the subject matter of this Treaty have jeopardized its supreme interests. It shall give notice of its decision to withdraw to the other Party six months prior to withdrawal from this Treaty. Such notice shall include a statement of the extraordinary events the notifying Party regards as having jeopardized its supreme interests.

Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF Treaty)

The devil is in the details. Now, can we trust Trump&Co. to offer proof of extraordinary events? It seems he sees a crisis at our Southern Border, in voter fraud and yet dismisses the Russian interference in our election as no big deal?

 

[Wry Catcher]

With each passing day, trump and trump&co. exacerbates our troubles. That you find that funny will be expected; reality bites.

What I find is you being silly as usual.

Idiot-gram, ad hominem variety. No one honestly believes that Trump has spoken or tweeted efforts to reunite the country. He has an enemies list longer than Nixon's and Agnew's combined.

Who in their right mind would want to unite with the Democrats? They are essentially a foreign political party. The best choice scenario would see them removed from all influence.

I see, you want a single party and out law all other points of few. Is that what you enjoy there in Moscow? Or are you in Beijing?

There are 35 political parties currently functioning in the United States. The Democrats are not a necessity.

A distinction with a huge difference. You think you're clever, you ain't. The Numbers in the Flat Earth Party and all but a few in 35 (likely more) political creeds (a set of beliefs or aims which guide someone's actions) are few and generally localized.

The D Party has millions registered and many Independents (growing with every tweet and every lie by trump and his fellow travelers).

 

[Asclepias]

I was going to say yes because I was thinking about Obama but then I thought about idiots like Drumpf and decided "hell no".

 

[bripat9643]

A president can choose to not enforce a treaty.

However, Congress can remove a president from office.

How many treaties have past presidents broken?

100s. Just consider all the treaties we made with the Native Americans. We broke every one.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I want him to quell the troubles here first, and I become less particular about how he does it with each passing day.

With each passing day, trump and trump&co. exacerbates our troubles. That you find that funny will be expected; reality bites.

What I find is you being silly as usual.

Idiot-gram, ad hominem variety. No one honestly believes that Trump has spoken or tweeted efforts to reunite the country. He has an enemies list longer than Nixon's and Agnew's combined.

Who in their right mind would want to unite with the Democrats? They are essentially a foreign political party. The best choice scenario would see them removed from all influence.

I see, you want a single party and out law all other points of few. Is that what you enjoy there in Moscow? Or are you in Beijing?

No, but the US could do just fine without the current iteration of the Democrat party. As a whole, they are bad actors.

 

[Wry Catcher]

A president can choose to not enforce a treaty.

However, Congress can remove a president from office.

How many treaties have past presidents broken?

100s. Just consider all the treaties we made with the Native Americans. We broke every one.

So? First of all you've echoed another post, know it, and didn't give credit where credit is do.

Did Manifest Destiny risk ending life on earth as we know it? That's what the idiot in the White House you support has made more possible, along with his idiotic policies on climate change and nuclear weapons proliferation.

 

[Wry Catcher]

First we need to establish a diplomatic corp, not led by a neocon as their Sect. of State. Next we need to appoint Ambassadors based on their knowledge and experience of the nation where they will serve. It also helps if the new Ambassador understands their culture.

Two years in, so we can't expect Trump has any intention of using diplomacy as a tool to quell the world's troubles. In fact, the truth be told he inflames discontent.

Tell the Senate.

McConnell is The Senate; and McConnell pisses and shits on the spirit of the Constitution when it fits the need of the Republican Party and the security of his family income.

 

[bripat9643]

First we need to establish a diplomatic corp, not led by a neocon as their Sect. of State. Next we need to appoint Ambassadors based on their knowledge and experience of the nation where they will serve. It also helps if the new Ambassador understands their culture.

Two years in, so we can't expect Trump has any intention of using diplomacy as a tool to quell the world's troubles. In fact, the truth be told he inflames discontent.

Tell the Senate.

McConnell is The Senate; and McConnell pisses and shits on the spirit of the Constitution when it fits the need of the Republican Party and the security of his family income.

Example?

 

[Wry Catcher]

First we need to establish a diplomatic corp, not led by a neocon as their Sect. of State. Next we need to appoint Ambassadors based on their knowledge and experience of the nation where they will serve. It also helps if the new Ambassador understands their culture.

Two years in, so we can't expect Trump has any intention of using diplomacy as a tool to quell the world's troubles. In fact, the truth be told he inflames discontent.

Tell the Senate.

McConnell is The Senate; and McConnell pisses and shits on the spirit of the Constitution when it fits the need of the Republican Party and the security of his family income.

Example?

Look up nonfeasance, misfeasance and malfeasance within the context of putting forth Presidential Nominees, and Bills passed by the House which he refuses to bring forth a vote in the Senate.

Consider his wife is serving in Trump's cabinet and serves at his pleasure. Thus McConnell has a conflict of interest in pleasing his wife's boss.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

US Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2;
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis added]

Given the Constitution clearly states in plain & clear English that a treaty made under the authority of the Constitution becomes the "supreme law of the land", there is no way any president can unilaterally terminate a treaty ratified by the Senate. The Framers established the Constitution to rid the people of the States of the Rule of a King who could do what he wished, like a Crazy George III or a Trump!

 

[bripat9643]

First we need to establish a diplomatic corp, not led by a neocon as their Sect. of State. Next we need to appoint Ambassadors based on their knowledge and experience of the nation where they will serve. It also helps if the new Ambassador understands their culture.

Two years in, so we can't expect Trump has any intention of using diplomacy as a tool to quell the world's troubles. In fact, the truth be told he inflames discontent.

Tell the Senate.

McConnell is The Senate; and McConnell pisses and shits on the spirit of the Constitution when it fits the need of the Republican Party and the security of his family income.

Example?

Look up nonfeasance, misfeasance and malfeasance within the context of putting forth Presidential Nominees, and Bills passed by the House which he refuses to bring forth a vote in the Senate.

Consider his wife is serving in Trump's cabinet and serves at his pleasure. Thus McConnell has a conflict of interest in pleasing his wife's boss.

Where does the Constitution say the Senate has to vote and a nomination or that it must vote on a bill passed by the House?

Where does the Constitution say that a Senator's wife can't serve in the administration?

 

[bripat9643]

US Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2;
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis added]

Given the Constitution clearly states in plain & clear English that a treaty made under the authority of the Constitution becomes the "supreme law of the land", there is no way any president can unilaterally terminate a treaty ratified by the Senate. The Framers established the Constitution to rid the people of the States of the Rule of a King who could do what he wished, like a Crazy George III or a Trump!

What happened to the Treaty of Fort Laramie? When did the Senate vote to absolve that? Treaty of Detroit? Treaty of Bosque Redondo?

 

[Wry Catcher]

First we need to establish a diplomatic corp, not led by a neocon as their Sect. of State. Next we need to appoint Ambassadors based on their knowledge and experience of the nation where they will serve. It also helps if the new Ambassador understands their culture.

Two years in, so we can't expect Trump has any intention of using diplomacy as a tool to quell the world's troubles. In fact, the truth be told he inflames discontent.

Tell the Senate.

McConnell is The Senate; and McConnell pisses and shits on the spirit of the Constitution when it fits the need of the Republican Party and the security of his family income.

Example?

Look up nonfeasance, misfeasance and malfeasance within the context of putting forth Presidential Nominees, and Bills passed by the House which he refuses to bring forth a vote in the Senate.

Consider his wife is serving in Trump's cabinet and serves at his pleasure. Thus McConnell has a conflict of interest in pleasing his wife's boss.

Where does the Constitution say the Senate has to vote and a nomination or that it must vote on a bill passed by the House?

Where does the Constitution say that a Senator's wife can't serve in the administration?

Yes, there are stupid questions, these ^^^ are two examples.

 

[bripat9643]

Tell the Senate.

McConnell is The Senate; and McConnell pisses and shits on the spirit of the Constitution when it fits the need of the Republican Party and the security of his family income.

Example?

Look up nonfeasance, misfeasance and malfeasance within the context of putting forth Presidential Nominees, and Bills passed by the House which he refuses to bring forth a vote in the Senate.

Consider his wife is serving in Trump's cabinet and serves at his pleasure. Thus McConnell has a conflict of interest in pleasing his wife's boss.

Where does the Constitution say the Senate has to vote and a nomination or that it must vote on a bill passed by the House?

Where does the Constitution say that a Senator's wife can't serve in the administration?

Yes, there are stupid questions, these ^^^ are two examples.

In other words, the Constitution doesn't say what you claim.