Ever wonder what if Obamacare is overturned?

What happens if Obamacare is overturned?

Ever wonder why our economy is in such turmoil?

If Obamacare were to be overturned, wouldnt it just add to more chaotic circumstances?

The reason we cant seem to grow our economy is because we are so unpredictable here in America as of lately.... everything is so uncertain. Dont let anyone fool you... there is lots and lots of money out there to be invested, but we will have the highest corporate income tax in the world next week :omg:
Who in their right mind wants to move their company here... why would anyone want to start a new business?? Better yet, why put it here??
I mean Hell, we have no idea when the madness of Cass Sunstein will ever end... he has instituted around 10,000 new regulations that will affect all of us in one way or another (who needs 'cap and trade' right?)
Trying to do business here in America is just plain crazy....

Now what if they take Obamacare off the table, is it going to make an insane situation even that much more insane....! How do I as a business owner plan for my employee's healthcare needs for the next year??
Then there is the election coming up!!! How are you going to know what to do till Obama either gets back in or does'nt get back in.... ? Whats going to happen with healthcare? Will it be repealed??

What are health insurance companies going to do??
They have been planning for this new BS HC bill... what now???

Our economy is getting sea-sick from being turned on its head so much.

Wow 'Hope and Change' has been good has'nt it?? :doubt:

Just food for thought

Honestly, most of it is all a bunch of crap. Businesses aren't growing because there isn't enough demand, that is the bottom line. Every administration puts new and different regulations into place that affect business. Bush put in many more than Obama has. This isn't something new. Business deals with it. Healthcare is pretty much the same. Whatever happens, they'll figure it out. The bottom line is that costs continue to rise and they will rise even more if Obamacare is overturned. Just wait and you will see. If the SCOTUS overturns the entire thing or even if they just overturn the mandate, I guarantee it will lead to even bigger rate increases. The insurance companies will then tell us it's due to the fact that they are losing 30 million potential customers whom they had counted on as having as clients.

Really? Glad to get your guarantee...


1. While half of the costs for Obamacare are stolen from Medicare, the other half will come from increases in taxes. The Obamacare tax increases will total $503 billion between 2010 and 2019. JCX-17-10

a. There are taxes on investments, and on higher-income taxpayers. Small businesses will be burdened with mountains of paperwork (IRS reports of any sum over $600 per vendor…designed to catch tax cheats, and raise $17 billion over ten years).

b. But most of the PPACA taxes will be related to health care, and as such, will affect all Americans. An example, is the limitation on the Blue Cross/Blue Shield special tax deduction. Who so you suppose will be paying that increase? “Based on a research study commissioned by the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, we believe that premiums will increase as a result of provisions in the reform legislation that will guarantee richer levels of benefits…” Blue Cross Blue Shield

c. Health care spending accounts, presently tax-favored, there will be an increased 20% tax penalty (double what is was) if you purchase goods disallowed by the law, including a new tax on brand name drugs. Companies providing medical devices and insurance will see new taxes that will assuredly be passed on to consumers.

d. Most of the new taxes kick in after the election…including an increase in the Medicare payroll tax from 2.9 to 3.8%, if you and your spouse earn over $250,000. And a new 3.8% tax on ‘unearned’ or investment income, if you reach a certain income threshold: stocks, bonds, dividends, rents and even the sale of your home! http://everythinghealthcare.wordpress.com/2010/

e. CBO states Medicare taxes will account for $210 billion in additional federal revenue between 2010 and 2019. Baker Hostetler | News / Resources | Health Law Update

f. In 2018, there will be a tax on “Cadillac high-value” policies, @ $10,200/ individual and $27, 500/ families, the insurance company will pay an excise tax of 40% on any thing above that, and this is expected to raise $32 billion during the first two years alone. Care to guess what will happen to premiums?

2. With each passing year new taxes will be imposed. As disclosed on the attached chart from the
California Hospital Association:
• 2011: A 2.5% excise tax is imposed on pharmaceuticals. (This is part of the plan to pay for the
reform law.) This cost – which will be in the billions of dollars - will be passed on to health care
providers, primarily hospitals, who already operate with very thin margins, and will be under
great financial pressure to raise their rates to pay for it, with resulting price pressure on health
insurance premiums.
• 2012: That excise tax increases to 3%.
• 2013: A separate 2.9% excise tax on medical devices will begin. The same pass-through will take
place, creating the same pressures on providers and on insurance premiums.
• 2014: An $8 billion fee on health insurance premiums kicks in. Obviously consumers will bear
this tax and their premiums will rise.
Because of all these costs, Obamacare is generally unsustainable. Here is one study that addresses that
issue:
Obamacare: The Real Price Tag is a Moving Target


So, as general view, you believe that mandating more coverage is a cheaper way to go.....

Really?
 
Hopefully Americans have learned that a government fix usually doesn't.

In general, most people I'm selling vehicles to have lowered expectations. Switching from new to used or lengthening the trade cycle. Having more rational consumers will actually help us in the longer view.
 
The only thing that is certain is that the GOP will own ALL insurance company misdeeds and exploitation if the law is struck down but I do not think they are thinking any farther ahead than beating Obama and winning a short term political victory.
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Jesus Christ, give it a rest. You can't assign blame like that when your unconstitutional and near criminal overreach of governmental power.
 
I don't care what happens. This ship has to be righted. The damage must be undone no matter how painful the process is. Otherwise we just continue down the rabbit hole to an unknown future.

Is the GOP offering a certain prosperous future? I haven't heard anything from them but doom and gloom and policy of retreat from social problems.
 
I don't care what happens. This ship has to be righted. The damage must be undone no matter how painful the process is. Otherwise we just continue down the rabbit hole to an unknown future.

Is the GOP offering a certain prosperous future? I haven't heard anything from them but doom and gloom and policy of retreat from social problems.

You hear what you want to hear.

Can't fix stupid.
 
I don't care what happens. This ship has to be righted. The damage must be undone no matter how painful the process is. Otherwise we just continue down the rabbit hole to an unknown future.

Is the GOP offering a certain prosperous future? I haven't heard anything from them but doom and gloom and policy of retreat from social problems.
Can you guarantee me I win the Megamillions this friday?

Quit demanding stupid impossibilities.

P-BO et all can't and hasn't guaranteed that either.
 
It sounds pretty crass, but they should just allow people that want to opt out to do so.

Then if they don't get their own insurance they need to pay cash or credit upon receiving medical attention, or they don't get it.

Sounds like a hard-line approach the righties might like.
 
We should all just "opt out" of paying for health insurance, because you will get medical coverage in the emergency room. Who cares that the emergency room is the most expensive kind of health care.

I can almost see where that makes sense. You know one day you will need medical care. But you don't know when. So just go along uninsured and rely on the goodness of the medical profession to save your sorry ass and then you can stiff them for the bill. Or dodge collection agents forever. Or, most likely, go bankrupt.

That is an interesting approach. People can just give up on "preventative" health care. Let the local voodoo woman cover that.

Pre existing condidtions are not a problem with no health care. You just wait till your condition is so bad that you call 911 and go to the "free" emergency room. They will save you.

And kids. Not a problem. Just teach them where the local emergency rooms are and explain how health care is "free" at these locations.

I am sure that the old "free clinics" of hippy days of yore will have nothing on the "free emergency" rooms that will continue to be the mainstay of health care for people without insurance.

This is gonna work out fine. I can tell. I know that medical bankruptcy is a growing business. You won't need a doctor, you need an attorney.


But what is really strange is rethugs always hollering about how everybody has to pull their own weight, grab hold of your boot straps, give up the guvmint teat, etc.etc. but if you need health care and are un insured, don't worry, be happy, rely on the rest of us to cover your bill.

That's stupid. And I am tired of doing that. Let the uninsured pay something for basic health coverage. And if they don't want to, make them.

That's what Mittens said. Before the lobotomy.
 
I don't care what happens. This ship has to be righted. The damage must be undone no matter how painful the process is. Otherwise we just continue down the rabbit hole to an unknown future.

Is the GOP offering a certain prosperous future? I haven't heard anything from them but doom and gloom and policy of retreat from social problems.

You hear what you want to hear.

Can't fix stupid.

It's stupid to do nothing which is the entirety of the GOP plan to reform our health care system. Sure they have a few band-aids to stick on the hemorrhage but no one can say with a straight face that they are taking this problem seriously. You fear the future? Fear a future where medical care is a luxury item.
 
For a free market collapse of prices to affordable health care government has only to do a few things and get out of the way.

1. Make health insurance portable and purchasable across state lines with no mandates.

2. Force transparent pricing so you can shop around for the best care prices. This would be transparency for care, insurance, pharmaceuticals and all products and services offered.

3. Make the tax credit payable to the PURCHASER of the health insurance, not the employer.

4. Forbid government purchase of health insurance or care, limiting it strictly to a regulatory role with the exception for government employees and military.

5. Allow doctors to sell service plans for care.

6. Privatize all government health insurance plans and services like Medicare, Medicaid and Tricare.

Do those 6 things and you will cause the prices around the nation to crash.
 
I will not pay for other peoples healthcare,nor do i want,or expect others to pay for mine.socialism and communism in its simplest form. Thank god this unconstitutional mandate will croak. I do not,nor will allow a government to enslave me out of my pocket to pay for other peoples self inflicted ills.maybe cold,but thats what the private sector is for.and a measure of personal responsibility for oneself.
 
Or,be forced to pay for every boatfloater and bordercrosser that infects the purity of our american people.
 
Six things, but I didn't read anywhere how those six things is going to address the uninsured.

You want the guvmint regulating, but no mention of what enforcement would look like.

And if prices went up instead of down (as you contend they would) what would happen then?

If 30 million still have no money and no insurance, do they still get care at the emergency room?
For free.
 
I will not pay for other peoples healthcare,nor do i want,or expect others to pay for mine.

Interesting. If you have health insurance, your premiums have been going up, partly as a result of health care provided to those with no health care coverage.

If you have no health insurance and need health care, you are expecting others to pay (through increased premiums) for you WHEN you need heath care.

So which one you like the most?
 
bordercrosser that infects the purity of our american people.


Ruttro. I think you might be cornfused about the "purity" you seem to think we possess. Hell we don't even have pure water or air anymore. Whadda ya think of that?
 
I out of pocket any medical expense i have.i do take responsibility

Yea, everybody does till the injury or illness costs 100k. Or more. Or even 50k. You have 50k laying around waiting for an expensive medical condition. Or are you doing like many, relying on your good fortune to have health at this point in time.

You insure your car? If yes, why? You a bad driver? Are you willing to take the loss of your car and the costs of medical for an accident victum out of pocket. Or are you insured?
 
We should all just "opt out" of paying for health insurance, because you will get medical coverage in the emergency room.

And there it is.

Everything hinges on hospitals not having the freedom to turn away those who are not insured or who cannot pay, see. They are forced to take them.

ObamaCare is built upon that sandy foundation.
 

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