EU Machinations: Don't Tell The Brits

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    I wonder how long this version is?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/03/weu103.xml


     
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    On C-Span, I saw Brown challenged on the EU Treaty in PM Questions and he dodged the issue. The questioner could not understand Brown's failure to support a British referendum on the EU Treaty. The EU Constitution could not pass the voters in France (and would not have passed the voters in the UK), and so the EU was dead in the water. Now the politicians are trying to get the same thing via Treaty, where the people will not have the opportunity to vote against the EU. The EU will then be born in an undemocratic process. And by the time it is rigged by the current politicians, voting them out of office will not make any difference.
     
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    Agreed. Our system is quite complicated and with the exception of states' rights/slavery, civil war has been avoided. Europe has a long and bloody history of fighting amongst those states. Calling them 'one' is very unlikely to end the underlying currents. For all the talk of US 'nationalism' that has no meaning compared to the Europeans.
     
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    Most people in the UK would vote against the EU Treaty if given the opportunity. But the new PM Brown is not going to give them that chance.

     
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    Brown was questioned by David Cameron (leader of the Conservative Party) and, yes, he did sidestep everything. Cameron's lasting soundbite was when he said that when Gordon Brown took over (from Tony Blair) he promised to "listen to the people", which actually isn't that tough when you don't give them a chance to speak.

    Brown hopes that by signing up to the treaty now he gets it out of the way well in advance of the next election and people will forget about it. True, the electorate have short memories, but I think Brown is setting himself up for a fall.
     

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