End of Habeus Corpus, End of America

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    Bush proposing new legislation that would permit him to throw any American in jail, forever, without a trial or attorney.

    THIS is too fucking much!

    U.S. citizens suspected of terror ties might be detained indefinitely and barred from access to civilian courts under legislation proposed by the Bush administration, say legal experts reviewing an early version of the bill.

    A 32-page draft measure is intended to authorize the
    Pentagon's tribunal system, established shortly after the 2001 terrorist attacks to detain and prosecute detainees captured in the war on terror. The tribunal system was thrown out last month by the Supreme Court.

    Administration officials, who declined to comment on the draft, said the proposal was still under discussion and no final decisions had been made.

    Senior officials are expected to discuss a final proposal before the
    Senate Armed Services Committee next Wednesday.

    more at:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060728/ap_on_go_pr_wh/detainee_rights


    See what allowing a jerk like the shrub to over reach his authority will get you?

    Psychoblues
     
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    This isnt anything new. Writs of Habeas Corpus have been suspended during war before. The founders put the ability in the Constitution for a very specific purpose.

    And if the libs werent so determined to get terrorists legal protection they have no right to there wouldnt a need to suspend habeas corpus. But rather be flexible and letting us wage the war on terror like it needs to be, you have to give them rights they dont have under American or international law. So now President Bush has to request the suspension of the writ to do what was originally legal. So you only have yourself to blame for this.
     
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    FDR did it
     
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    Who are the "terrorists" that you describe? Convince me that any one of the detainees, American or not, deserves any less than a fair trial as guaranteed by our constitution is not in the American best interests and I might agree. So far, I'm not convinced. The shrub has been over reaching since before the Supreme Court desision that appointed him. He is over reaching now as well. He won't pay a price for it, however. You and I will, like it or not. At least I have eaten from the apple and can objectively remark on it's taste. I don't believe for a moment that you have anything other than blind faith that the apple is good to describe your personal experience with it. You say there are specifics? Spit them out?!?!?!?!?!

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    So did Lincoln and Jefferson Davis. ;)
     
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    This IS bullshit. Especially since neocon lunacy has gotten so extreme that simply looking at both sides of the Israeli situation is equated with aiding and abetting terrorism.
     
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    Dude, if you cant even be convinced that Hamdan, Osama Bin Ladens body guard, who conspired with Al Qaeda to commit terrorists acts, is a terrorist then no one on earth can convince you.

    There is no right to a civil trial for enemy aliens who attack the United states, or atleast there wasnt until the Supreme Court overreached their authority and decided their was. Sure ignore the fact that the Constitution gives the President executive power as commander in chief to deal with enemies of the state. After all the Constitution doesnt support your argument that "Shrub" is overreaching by exercising his constitutional power to defend us.

    You guys do everything you can to undermine the Presidents attempts to defend us, you do everything you can to make it look like the guys trying to kill innocent citizens and children are the victims, and you wonder why it is people wont trust you to defend them.
     
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    As long as this bill doesn't affect American citizens, I'm OK with it.

    EDIT: I just re-read the article, which specifically mentions that this is aimed towards American citizens. So (I can't believe I'm typing this) I'm with Psychoblues on this. It's a step too far. Lincoln was wrong for suspending Habeus Corpus, and Bush is wrong for attempting it as well.
     
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    Whats got your panties in a bunch? Can't trade propaganda now with your terrorist buddies?
     
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    I think you're right. In fact, you should move to another country as soon as you possibly can. Based on your political leanings, I'd say France would welcome you with open arms.
     

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