AmyNation
Road Warrior
A poster mentioned in a different thread that ATF should be nixed. I've never considered it before, so I'm curious what people's opinions are.
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My initial inclination is to keep it. I suppose its one of those things that I've never put serious thought into if its needed or if its functions could be carried out more effectively by other departments.
My initial inclination is to keep it. I suppose its one of those things that I've never put serious thought into if its needed or if its functions could be carried out more effectively by other departments.
Alcohol - There is still moonshine out there.
Tobacco - There are still illegal cigarettes sold by the mafia
Firearms - Would you want gansters to start carrying Thompson Machine Guns again and a host of other restricted weapons? What about gun trafficing inside the United States and guns sent to Mexico. The FBI doesn't deal with that.
My initial inclination is to keep it. I suppose its one of those things that I've never put serious thought into if its needed or if its functions could be carried out more effectively by other departments.
Alcohol - There is still moonshine out there.
Tobacco - There are still illegal cigarettes sold by the mafia
Firearms - Would you want gansters to start carrying Thompson Machine Guns again and a host of other restricted weapons? What about gun trafficing inside the United States and guns sent to Mexico. The FBI doesn't deal with that.
My initial inclination is to keep it. I suppose its one of those things that I've never put serious thought into if its needed or if its functions could be carried out more effectively by other departments.
The agency is responsible for terrible criminal acts including Ruby Ridge, Waco and currently the deaths of about 400 Mexican citizens and a US Border Patrol agent. Start the prosecution for Fast/Furious and see where it leads.
I go the opposite route. I want to beef up ATF.
The agency is responsible for terrible criminal acts including Ruby Ridge, Waco and currently the deaths of about 400 Mexican citizens and a US Border Patrol agent. Start the prosecution for Fast/Furious and see where it leads.
Waco seige was initiated by the FBI after four ATF agents (who were trying to execute a legal search warrant) were gunned down.
The Davidians who died had every opportunity to leave the compound. But I guess if you don't agree with a law, you have no obligation to abide by it, huh? There were criminals on the scene and it wasn't the FBI or ATF.
The agency is responsible for terrible criminal acts including Ruby Ridge, Waco and currently the deaths of about 400 Mexican citizens and a US Border Patrol agent. Start the prosecution for Fast/Furious and see where it leads.
Waco seige was initiated by the FBI after four ATF agents (who were trying to execute a legal search warrant) were gunned down.
The Davidians who died had every opportunity to leave the compound. But I guess if you don't agree with a law, you have no obligation to abide by it, huh? There were criminals on the scene and it wasn't the FBI or ATF.
It's amazing that the right wing defends Christian Terrorists lead by a Pedophile.
My initial inclination is to keep it. I suppose its one of those things that I've never put serious thought into if its needed or if its functions could be carried out more effectively by other departments.
Alcohol - There is still moonshine out there.
Tobacco - There are still illegal cigarettes sold by the mafia
Firearms - Would you want gansters to start carrying Thompson Machine Guns again and a host of other restricted weapons? What about gun trafficing inside the United States and guns sent to Mexico. The FBI doesn't deal with that.
Then put it in the FBI's job description and save us some money by getting rid of one bureaucracy.
My initial inclination is to keep it. I suppose its one of those things that I've never put serious thought into if its needed or if its functions could be carried out more effectively by other departments.
Alcohol - There is still moonshine out there.
Tobacco - There are still illegal cigarettes sold by the mafia
Firearms - Would you want gansters to start carrying Thompson Machine Guns again and a host of other restricted weapons? What about gun trafficing inside the United States and guns sent to Mexico. The FBI doesn't deal with that.
For alcohol the only involvement the feds need to have is exicse taxation, and to help enforce the ability of states, counties and other local entities to prevent the import of alcohol if they so choose. The treasury can handle that.
With cigarettes, its again an issue of taxation being avoided. Treasury.
Firearms. Firearm laws are regular laws. a seperate agency is not needed. Violate state law? states handle. Violate federal law? FBI handles.
No need for the agency.
The agency is responsible for terrible criminal acts including Ruby Ridge, Waco and currently the deaths of about 400 Mexican citizens and a US Border Patrol agent. Start the prosecution for Fast/Furious and see where it leads.
Alcohol - There is still moonshine out there.
Tobacco - There are still illegal cigarettes sold by the mafia
Firearms - Would you want gansters to start carrying Thompson Machine Guns again and a host of other restricted weapons? What about gun trafficing inside the United States and guns sent to Mexico. The FBI doesn't deal with that.
For alcohol the only involvement the feds need to have is exicse taxation, and to help enforce the ability of states, counties and other local entities to prevent the import of alcohol if they so choose. The treasury can handle that.
With cigarettes, its again an issue of taxation being avoided. Treasury.
Firearms. Firearm laws are regular laws. a seperate agency is not needed. Violate state law? states handle. Violate federal law? FBI handles.
No need for the agency.
I'm sure it would cost more for the FBI to do it.
For alcohol the only involvement the feds need to have is exicse taxation, and to help enforce the ability of states, counties and other local entities to prevent the import of alcohol if they so choose. The treasury can handle that.
With cigarettes, its again an issue of taxation being avoided. Treasury.
Firearms. Firearm laws are regular laws. a seperate agency is not needed. Violate state law? states handle. Violate federal law? FBI handles.
No need for the agency.
I'm sure it would cost more for the FBI to do it.
Care to back that up with some reasoning? If you have the FBI do it they already have agents in place, and the management infrastructure. If you needed some additonal agents, you could hire the best of the laid off ATF guys.
Also they would only be concerned about federal law violations. let the states enforce thier own laws.